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1 hour ago, Ergo Proxy said:

We had more guys hurt on D and had 5 TD game out of Matt last time.

Not intimidated by any NFC team.

The only team I'll give more respect to that usual is NE just because of history. Just something Kyle Shanahan didn't get.

Yup...not worried about any team that we play.....we have the talent to play with anyone and move the ball on anyone.

The question is can we finish when we need to

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51 minutes ago, stizz said:

Injure them. They took that route their SB year and I just don't see guys like Kazee and Takk letting them just waltz into that game.

I see Kazee getting rough with Thomas and Kamara and we need for Takk to do damage against Brees. Absolutely cannot allow them to play that game in our stadium. Nothing should be off the table.

What a classless clown

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1 hour ago, falcons007 said:

It’s not about salaries. It’s about impact on game and how many draft picks you are willing to  give up. Only DE worth giving up multiple first round picks would be some one like Watt. Saints did it because of SB window. Nothing wrong, if they can win the SB in next year or two.  You don’t see teams making moves like that on DL. 

Dude. This is nonsense. Think of the last team to win a Super Bowl with a super high paid WR. The most important positions, the premiums are: QB, LT, EDGE, CB. 

Pass rushers are far move valuable than a WR. 

 

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1 minute ago, CocoLoco said:

Dude. This is nonsense. Think of the last team to win a Super Bowl with a super high paid WR. The most important positions, the premiums are: QB, LT, EDGE, CB. 

Pass rushers are far move valuable than a WR. 

 

Says the Aints fan trolling the Falcons board. 

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23 minutes ago, falcons007 said:

Says the Aints fan trolling the Falcons board. 

Has he seen how much DL are getting paid these days? lol.

Nah, it all depends on the player and their strength to the success of their team/unit.

Being dogmatic means little. All that matters is context of the contract. Fact is Falcons blew their SB show due to playcalling and leaving too much time. Otherwise, Ryan and Julio win SB with huge contract % at time of that game.

Without Julio we don't make it. With better defense we close. Can't rely on the D without the O to set you up in that case...

Funny how that all works.

Nothing stays the same in the NFL. Not with the rule changes and balance of keeping certain core players/letting go of others vs drafting and timing of contracts.

You need delicate balance. Not complete absolutes unless you start canceling out yourself. Then, you go back to let go and draft another/trade the piece for more in return before losing control.

Now, if he said overpaying a RB instead of keeping a DE? In todays NFL?

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Which team is which:

TIME OF POS 28:37 31:23
1ST DOWNS 17 27
Rushing 6 4
Passing 9 19
Penalty 2 4
3RD DOWN CONV 4-9 5-10
4TH DOWN CONV 0-0 2-3
TOTAL NET YARDS 270 423
Total Plays 53 67
Avg Gain 5.1 6.3
NET YARDS RUSHING 106 85
Rush Attempts 29 22
Avg Rush Yards 3.7 3.9
NET YARDS PASSING 164 338
Comp. - Att. 19-24 31-41
Yards Per Pass 6.8 8.2
Sacked - Yards Lost 0-0 4-21
PENALTIES - YARDS 7-64 6-54
TOUCHDOWNS 2 3
Rushing TDs 1 1
Passing TDs 1 2
Other 0 0

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3 hours ago, The Falcon Jedi Knight said:

Drew Brees is about to Rip this Defense another new Butt hole

Same players missing from our defense before...even Allen wasnt out there at the end.

Deion can come back on 11/18, right before the Saints game. He is Brees' kryptonite right now...and he would help give us a fighting chance, at least compared to the rabble of a defense we trot out there.

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1 hour ago, Ergo Proxy said:

Which team is which:

TIME OF POS 28:37 31:23
1ST DOWNS 17 27
Rushing 6 4
Passing 9 19
Penalty 2 4
3RD DOWN CONV 4-9 5-10
4TH DOWN CONV 0-0 2-3
TOTAL NET YARDS 270 423
Total Plays 53 67
Avg Gain 5.1 6.3
NET YARDS RUSHING 106 85
Rush Attempts 29 22
Avg Rush Yards 3.7 3.9
NET YARDS PASSING 164 338
Comp. - Att. 19-24 31-41
Yards Per Pass 6.8 8.2
Sacked - Yards Lost 0-0 4-21
PENALTIES - YARDS 7-64 6-54
TOUCHDOWNS 2 3
Rushing TDs 1 1
Passing TDs 1 2
Other 0 0

Team on the left is the Saints. All about turnovers. Vikings lost because of turnovers.

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4 minutes ago, Falconsfan567 said:

Team on the left is the Saints. All about turnovers. Vikings lost because of turnovers.

Bingo! 14 points off turnovers for Saints, one drive Minn was already in scoring range.

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5 hours ago, caponine said:

Marcus Davenport has really stepped his game up these past few weeks , many sh*tted on that pick ( including on here) similar to the Keanu Neal pick a few years ago. He is a baller. Saints really know how to draft their guys, you gotta give it to them. Cant even hate. A line with Cam Jordan, Sheldon Rankins and Davenport has been legit 

Let em know cap

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11 hours ago, mattyicefalcon said:

They still have to face us on thanks giving.

In their house with out soft wimpy defense and our squeeky clean OL. Brees  Will put up points.

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15 hours ago, Ergo Proxy said:

Not really.

Matt Ryan was 27 years old.

And no, Brees has strongly suggested he is done sooner than later. I give him 2 years max.

And just like someone else just brought out, a WR of a talent like Julio gives you a lot more than Davenport. The trades aren't really comparable, though. That's why we paid more to move up more.

If this was a 2nd year QB on their team, they don't make the trade. Brees ain't playing another 3 or 4 years.

And where did you get that idea?  Brees has not only NOT suggested he will retire sooner than later, he has said recently on the NFL Network that he has no plans on retiring anytime soon.  He added he has lots more he is wanting to accomplish in his career with the Saints.  He added that his children are all just now getting to the age where they can appreciate his play in the game and he didn't want that to end anytime soon.

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14 hours ago, falcons007 said:

Says the Aints fan trolling the Falcons board. 

Example 1

Example 2


So because you disagree with me I am trolling? I read message boards for many teams and occasionally chime in. It is pretty common knowledge that the premium positions are QB, EDGE, LT, and Corner. Think of the Superbowl winner over the last decade, how often do you see an elite WR? I love Mike Thomas, but he isn't as valuable as Cam Jordan is. 

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16 hours ago, CocoLoco said:

Dude. This is nonsense. Think of the last team to win a Super Bowl with a super high paid WR. The most important positions, the premiums are: QB, LT, EDGE, CB. 

Pass rushers are far move valuable than a WR. 

 

That doesn't really matter, Falcons almost did it just 2 seasons ago and 28-3 happened.

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1 hour ago, MilleniumFalcon said:

That doesn't really matter, Falcons almost did it just 2 seasons ago and 28-3 happened.

Almost ... that is the point.  Your stud WR (other than being able to score a TD any longer) di not get you the Lombardi.

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16 hours ago, Ergo Proxy said:

Which team is which:

TIME OF POS 28:37 31:23
1ST DOWNS 17 27
Rushing 6 4
Passing 9 19
Penalty 2 4
3RD DOWN CONV 4-9 5-10
4TH DOWN CONV 0-0 2-3
TOTAL NET YARDS 270 423
Total Plays 53 67
Avg Gain 5.1 6.3
NET YARDS RUSHING 106 85
Rush Attempts 29 22
Avg Rush Yards 3.7 3.9
NET YARDS PASSING 164 338
Comp. - Att. 19-24 31-41
Yards Per Pass 6.8 8.2
Sacked - Yards Lost 0-0 4-21
PENALTIES - YARDS 7-64 6-54
TOUCHDOWNS 2 3
Rushing TDs 1 1
Passing TDs 1 2
Other 0 0

It's obvious, you cannot turn the ball over and let them score a defensive TD.  Especially against a team with such a prolific offense. 

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5 minutes ago, AsylumGuido said:

Almost ... that is the point.  Your stud WR (other than being able to score a TD any longer) di not get you the Lombardi.

And Michael Irvin, Jerry Rice, and other great WR's who were the highest paid have all won Super Bowls.

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How you know your argument is biased.

Falcons trade multiple picks for WR. It's a win because he turned into a great player.

Saints trade multiple picks for a DE. Have to win the SB for it to be a win, no matter what kind of player he turns into. 

Dumb argument is dumb. Davenport doesn't retire when Drew does. If he becomes one of the best DEs in football, it was worth it.

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28 minutes ago, saints4life25 said:

How you know your argument is biased.

Falcons trade multiple picks for WR. It's a win because he turned into a great player.

Saints trade multiple picks for a DE. Have to win the SB for it to be a win, no matter what kind of player he turns into. 

Dumb argument is dumb. Davenport doesn't retire when Drew does. If he becomes one of the best DEs in football, it was worth it.

Not what was said. Davenport move was a price paid to help secure a SB with Brees.

Now, if his value for the cost of 2 firsts otherwise is worth or not being based on his own play after Brees, then yes he would need to be one of the best DEs in football to salvage anything.

Still undetermined there. Good thing Jordan is playing elite on the other side. Sort of the point; another tool on the DL for this window y'all have.

Falcons got a perennial top 3 WR in the league that has kept us competitive despite a rebuild; getting deep in playoffs twice across those two and should have won the SB choke.

Not the same sort of trade. Ryan was 27.

Different prices for different players/spots in the draft. Different teams and makeups/needs, too!

Then again, you can keep trying to make it the same and accuse people of saying things that wasn't said by changing the context. Good job. :tiphat:

 

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13 minutes ago, Ergo Proxy said:

Not what was said. Davenport move was a price paid to help secure a SB with Brees.

Now, if his value for the cost of 2 firsts otherwise is worth or not being based on his own play after Brees, then yes he would need to be one of the best DEs in football to salvage anything.

Still undetermined there. Good thing Jordan is playing elite on the other side. Sort of the point; another tool on the DL for this window y'all have.

Falcons got a perennial top 3 WR in the league that has kept us competitive despite a rebuild; getting deep in playoffs twice across those two and should have won the SB choke.

Not the same sort of trade. Ryan was 27.

Different prices for different players/spots in the draft. Different teams and makeups/needs, too!

Then again, you can keep trying to make it the same and accuse people of saying things that wasn't said by changing the context. Good job. :tiphat:

 

Obviously, moves are made to win, but the knock that everybody gave the move is that he was so raw he wouldn't even contribute while Drew was still playing. 

In what world is a draft picks worth judged on if he helps win a SB rather than his play as a player? 

Julio move was made because the Falcons were "one piece away". Have the Falcons won a SB since he's been here? So does that make the trade a flop? 

Davenport will be here for a long time. His success is not tied to Drew Brees. 

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20 minutes ago, saints4life25 said:

Obviously, moves are made to win, but the knock that everybody gave the move is that he was so raw he wouldn't even contribute while Drew was still playing. 

In what world is a draft picks worth judged on if he helps win a SB rather than his play as a player? 

Julio move was made because the Falcons were "one piece away". Have the Falcons won a SB since he's been here? So does that make the trade a flop? 

Davenport will be here for a long time. His success is not tied to Drew Brees. 

Player may salvage a move but cost is still a cost. For example, Julio has done his part. We had 2 shots at a SB in separate regimes already.

My point was never to criticize Davenport, but it's about objectively a cost the Saints never make if Brees wasn't on a 2 year window.

That's my point. Y'all are in all in mode for a good reason, just like the Falcons were with Julio and they made SB in his 2nd year, but fell short. We paid more and Ryan was 27 so we had another/better shot yet choked it. Mainly through OC playcalling/clock management as a result and collapsed defense. Brady in SB etc.

My point is long-term Davenport needs to pan out either way, as it was a 2 firsts for 1 trade. Still a loss if you don't reach the goal but maybe he'll be the Jordan replacement eventually once he reaches his prime. Not as big of a loss.

Like Julio replacing Roddy.

However, for Davenport the bulk of the investment was clearly for the SB window y'all have with biggest piece in Brees nearing retirement. Falcons trade had more dynamics/bigger cost because of the bigger window it afforded/lead into for us.

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