lostnmexico Posted October 18, 2018 Share Posted October 18, 2018 (edited) Stats in blue represent pass blocking. Teams are ranked according to Adjusted Sack Rate, which gives sacks (plus intentional grounding penalties) per pass attempt adjusted for down, distance, and opponent. Pass blocking stats are explained further here. Our sack totals may differ slightly from official NFL totals depending on the league's retroactive statistical adjustments. RUN BLOCKING PASS PROTECTION Team Adj. Line Yards RB Yards Power Success Power Rank Stuffed Stuffed Rank 2nd Level Yards 2nd Level Rank Open Field Yards Open Field Rank Team Rank Sacks Adjusted Sack Rate RUN BLOCKING PASS PROTECTION Team Adj. Line Yards RB Yards Power Success Power Rank Stuffed Stuffed Rank 2nd Level Yards 2nd Level Rank Open Field Yards Open Field Rank Team Rank Sacks Adjusted Sack Rate 1 LAR 5.68 4.87 70% 16 12% 1 1.55 3 0.72 16 KC 1 6 3.8% 2 SF 4.99 5.34 63% 21 22% 25 1.67 2 1.33 3 PIT 2 9 4.0% 3 NE 4.98 4.46 60% 22 14% 2 1.34 10 0.64 21 NE 3 8 4.1% 4 NO 4.97 4.01 76% 11 15% 4 0.91 29 0.65 20 BAL 4 12 4.5% 5 CAR 4.87 4.87 60% 22 15% 5 1.48 6 0.90 11 LAC 5 8 4.7% 6 DEN 4.79 5.05 82% 5 20% 15 1.53 4 1.06 7 IND 6 10 5.0% 7 LAC 4.71 5.32 46% 32 23% 29 1.83 1 1.24 4 CIN 7 12 5.0% 8 GB 4.61 4.44 67% 17 20% 19 1.52 5 0.52 23 DET 8 9 5.1% 9 PHI 4.56 4.20 81% 6 18% 11 1.34 9 0.49 25 LAR 9 11 5.3% 10 JAX 4.54 3.87 80% 7 14% 3 1.06 24 0.30 29 TB 10 11 5.6% 11 MIA 4.53 4.47 50% 28 20% 18 1.35 8 0.69 18 NO 11 8 5.7% 12 DAL 4.48 4.75 72% 12 20% 17 1.28 12 1.15 5 CAR 12 8 5.9% 13 CIN 4.34 4.45 67% 17 21% 23 1.38 7 0.93 10 DEN 13 15 6.4% 14 IND 4.34 3.95 60% 22 15% 6 1.13 20 0.38 27 MIA 14 11 6.4% 15 CLE 4.29 4.58 50% 28 23% 28 1.27 13 1.10 6 MIN 15 18 6.6% 16 PIT 4.26 4.27 71% 13 20% 21 1.18 15 0.97 9 JAX 16 14 6.6% 17 SEA 4.25 4.29 90% 2 17% 7 1.13 19 0.71 17 NYJ 17 13 6.6% 18 DET 4.24 4.25 100% 1 18% 10 1.17 17 0.75 15 ARI 18 13 7.0% 19 OAK 4.19 3.93 58% 25 17% 8 1.17 16 0.52 24 CHI 19 12 7.1% 20 WAS 4.16 4.19 80% 7 19% 13 1.30 11 0.83 14 WAS 20 12 7.3% 21 CHI 4.14 3.95 70% 14 20% 20 1.09 21 0.59 22 ATL 21 17 7.5% 22 BAL 4.01 3.42 83% 3 21% 24 0.98 27 0.33 28 OAK 22 17 7.6% 23 KC 4.01 4.34 64% 19 19% 14 0.95 28 0.99 8 GB 23 21 7.8% 24 BUF 4.00 3.43 64% 19 18% 9 0.81 32 0.25 31 NYG 24 20 7.9% 25 HOU 3.82 3.56 50% 28 22% 26 1.09 23 0.44 26 PHI 25 18 8.1% 26 MIN 3.78 3.97 83% 3 20% 16 1.04 25 0.86 13 SF 26 20 8.2% 27 ARI 3.72 3.15 58% 25 18% 12 0.91 30 0.17 32 DAL 27 19 9.7% 28 NYJ 3.71 5.09 70% 14 23% 27 1.23 14 1.84 2 CLE 28 26 10.0% 29 TEN 3.68 3.23 77% 10 20% 22 0.82 31 0.28 30 SEA 29 19 10.1% 30 ATL 3.48 3.70 55% 27 28% 31 1.09 22 0.86 12 HOU 30 25 10.8% 31 TB 3.30 3.41 50% 28 31% 32 0.99 26 0.67 19 TEN 31 20 11.0% 32 NYG 3.11 4.85 80% 7 25% 30 1.15 18 1.96 1 BUF 32 24 11.1% x NFL x 4.27 69% x 19% x 1.05 x 0.68 x NFL x 15 6.9% Edited October 18, 2018 by lostnmexico Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lostnmexico Posted October 18, 2018 Author Share Posted October 18, 2018 (edited) While the line is the third worst ranked run blocking line in the league......I was suprised to find that we were much better pass blocking than I thought. While 22nd is definitely not good…...it isn't horrifying. Also consider our backs gave up a few of those Sacks as well! https://www.footballoutsiders.com/stats/ol Edited October 18, 2018 by lostnmexico Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PeytonMannings Forehead Posted October 18, 2018 Share Posted October 18, 2018 Looks like that stat is just related to sacks per pass attempt with a modifier in for certain downs like 3rd and long which is certainly more comprehensive than just a regular stat. But I didn’t see anything regarding pressures or a modifier for how quickly the quarterback gets rid of the ball, which can absolutely make a lines pass blocking look better than it really is on paper. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PeytonMannings Forehead Posted October 18, 2018 Share Posted October 18, 2018 Also, I didn’t see that ranking factor in quarterback hits which is a big one for me. Maybe I missed it. But right now our line is ranked #2 for the second most quarterback hits allowed with 47. Houston is #1 with 65. Just for context the team that has surrendered the fewest quarterback hits is the Saints with 17 on the season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
quotemokc Posted October 18, 2018 Share Posted October 18, 2018 Can you imagine Saquon Barkley with a good OL... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lostnmexico Posted October 18, 2018 Author Share Posted October 18, 2018 22 minutes ago, PeytonMannings Forehead said: Also, I didn’t see that ranking factor in quarterback hits which is a big one for me. Maybe I missed it. But right now our line is ranked #2 for the second most quarterback hits allowed with 47. Houston is #1 with 65. Just for context the team that has surrendered the fewest quarterback hits is the Saints with 17 on the season. I agree on both points but Sacks allowed….particularly for individual players is hard to source and believe me...I have been looking most of the morning. More particularly, I would like to know how many Sacks Allowed by Mack, Schweitzer, and Fusco...…….I think Fusco has been a major liability by the way and that has contributed to Macks alleged decline. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lostnmexico Posted October 18, 2018 Author Share Posted October 18, 2018 Just now, quotemokc said: Can you imagine Saquon Barkley with a good OL... Only in my nightmares about MNF! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FalconJim Posted October 18, 2018 Share Posted October 18, 2018 26 minutes ago, PeytonMannings Forehead said: Also, I didn’t see that ranking factor in quarterback hits which is a big one for me. Maybe I missed it. But right now our line is ranked #2 for the second most quarterback hits allowed with 47. Houston is #1 with 65. Just for context the team that has surrendered the fewest quarterback hits is the Saints with 17 on the season. UGH!!! THE AINTS?!?!?! I HATE to see them 1st in ANYTHING!!! LOL! But that's not good to see we're 2nd in the most QB hits --- if your opponent gets that close to your QB, it's disruptive to his timing and leads to more sacks! I'm surprised MR2 doesn't have more interceptions and incomplete passes than he does.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lostnmexico Posted October 18, 2018 Author Share Posted October 18, 2018 4 minutes ago, FalconJim said: UGH!!! THE AINTS?!?!?! I HATE to see them 1st in ANYTHING!!! LOL! But that's not good to see we're 2nd in the most QB hits --- if your opponent gets that close to your QB, it's disruptive to his timing and leads to more sacks! I'm surprised MR2 doesn't have more interceptions and incomplete passes than he does.... Sssssh! Not that I don't agree…..I just don't want to say it for fear that it may come to pass. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FalconJim Posted October 18, 2018 Share Posted October 18, 2018 22 minutes ago, lostnmexico said: Sssssh! Not that I don't agree…..I just don't want to say it for fear that it may come to pass. LOL!!! Sorry 'bout that --- I certainly didn't mean to jinx anything. So, I take it back! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jpg428gggg Posted October 18, 2018 Share Posted October 18, 2018 1 hour ago, PeytonMannings Forehead said: Also, I didn’t see that ranking factor in quarterback hits which is a big one for me. Maybe I missed it. But right now our line is ranked #2 for the second most quarterback hits allowed with 47. Houston is #1 with 65. Just for context the team that has surrendered the fewest quarterback hits is the Saints with 17 on the season. That is crazy. Don't get me wrong. Drew Brees is a great quarterback, but they really have set him up for success with his offensive line, running backs, and wide receivers. I think there are a good number of QB's that could step into a situation and be successful. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lostnmexico Posted October 18, 2018 Author Share Posted October 18, 2018 (edited) 1 hour ago, Jpg428gggg said: That is crazy. Don't get me wrong. Drew Brees is a great quarterback, but they really have set him up for success with his offensive line, running backs, and wide receivers. I think there are a good number of QB's that could step into a situation and be successful. I agree...Sean Peyton is Sean Peyton for a reason and he does a great job of protecting Brees....no doubt about it. I still remember the Jimmy Graham/Unger trade……….. one of the best (albeit most unpopular) trades in NFL history based on the ramifications of said trade. Think Seattle would make that trade if they could go back in time? No Chance. I Hate the Saints as any Falcons Fan Will, but I recognize Sean Peytons qualifications as a Coach and share your opinión. Drew Brees is very much a product of Sean Paytons system and they have been married at the hip from Day 1 together. Edited October 18, 2018 by lostnmexico Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PokerSteve Posted October 18, 2018 Share Posted October 18, 2018 1 hour ago, FalconJim said: UGH!!! THE AINTS?!?!?! I HATE to see them 1st in ANYTHING!!! LOL! But that's not good to see we're 2nd in the most QB hits --- if your opponent gets that close to your QB, it's disruptive to his timing and leads to more sacks! I'm surprised MR2 doesn't have more interceptions and incomplete passes than he does.... It's because for the majority of his career he's had to endure constant pressure, a lot of hits and sacks because his OL has been terrible to downright abysmal. I'm sure he don't like it, but he's dang sure used to it and he keeps getting the job done anyway. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boise Falcon Fan Posted October 18, 2018 Share Posted October 18, 2018 2 hours ago, PeytonMannings Forehead said: Also, I didn’t see that ranking factor in quarterback hits which is a big one for me. Maybe I missed it. But right now our line is ranked #2 for the second most quarterback hits allowed with 47. Houston is #1 with 65. Just for context the team that has surrendered the fewest quarterback hits is the Saints with 17 on the season. I like the way you think. QB hits are huge, because they make the QB uncomfortable, make him hurry, etc. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boise Falcon Fan Posted October 18, 2018 Share Posted October 18, 2018 43 minutes ago, lostnmexico said: I agree...Sean Peyton is Sean Peyton for a reason and he does a great job of protecting Brees....no doubt about it. I still remember the Jimmy Graham/Unger trade……….. one of the best (albeit most unpopular) trades in NFL history based on the ramifications of said trade. Think Seattle would make that trade if they could go back in time? No Chance. I Hate the Saints as any Falcons Fan Will, but I recognize Sean Peytons qualifications as a Coach and share your opinión. Drew Brees is very much a product of Sean Paytons system and they have been married at the hip from Day 1 together. Agree that Sean Payton is a great offensive coach, but saying, "Brees is very much a product of...", really does a disservice to what/who Drew Brees is. They have worked extremely well together, and it is truly a great marriage, but Brees isn't great just because of Payton. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lostnmexico Posted October 18, 2018 Author Share Posted October 18, 2018 (edited) 32 minutes ago, Boise Falcon Fan said: Agree that Sean Payton is a great offensive coach, but saying, "Brees is very much a product of...", really does a disservice to what/who Drew Brees is. They have worked extremely well together, and it is truly a great marriage, but Brees isn't great just because of Payton. http://www.rotoworld.com/stats/nfl/591/drew-brees Drew Brees Never threw for over 4000 yards until he united with Peyton. Drew Brees Never threw for over 224 Y/PG until he united with Peyton. More importantly, Brees had SEVEN 300 yard plus games during FIVE years in San Diego. He had EIGHT in his first year under Payton and averages well over SEVEN PER SEASON in New Orleans. What I posted is not a disservice to Brees. It is a fact. Drew Brees is very much a product of Sean Paytons system. San Diego let Brees walk and Drew owes his career to Sean Payton in my opinión. Too short, Too Raw, Never gonna be a francise guy. Early in his career, there were questions about Drew Brees having a slow reléase. (http://www.espn.com/nfl/news/story?id=2368304) Hey...they drafted Phillip Rivers for a reason. Better link: https://www.boltsfromtheblue.com/2010/2/8/1301176/why-did-the-chargers-let-drew I stand by my comments. Payton was able to protect Brees and surround him with the type of talent needed to make him successfull Edited October 18, 2018 by lostnmexico Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
notthatcool Posted October 18, 2018 Share Posted October 18, 2018 interesting gif showing what might have been if given time to throw... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
notthatcool Posted October 18, 2018 Share Posted October 18, 2018 although after watching it a few times it looks like 82 and 26 caused the play to breakdown. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jpg428gggg Posted October 18, 2018 Share Posted October 18, 2018 23 minutes ago, notthatcool said: interesting gif showing what might have been if given time to throw... I saw multiple instances of this during the Pitt game. If we could have protected Ryan, we had a lot of deep shots open. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jpg428gggg Posted October 18, 2018 Share Posted October 18, 2018 1 hour ago, lostnmexico said: http://www.rotoworld.com/stats/nfl/591/drew-brees Drew Brees Never threw for over 4000 yards until he united with Peyton. Drew Brees Never threw for over 224 Y/PG until he united with Peyton. More importantly, Brees had SEVEN 300 yard plus games during FIVE years in San Diego. He had EIGHT in his first year under Payton and averages well over SEVEN PER SEASON in New Orleans. What I posted is not a disservice to Brees. It is a fact. Drew Brees is very much a product of Sean Paytons system. San Diego let Brees walk and Drew owes his career to Sean Payton in my opinión. Too short, Too Raw, Never gonna be a francise guy. Early in his career, there were questions about Drew Brees having a slow reléase. (http://www.espn.com/nfl/news/story?id=2368304) Hey...they drafted Phillip Rivers for a reason. Better link: https://www.boltsfromtheblue.com/2010/2/8/1301176/why-did-the-chargers-let-drew I stand by my comments. Payton was able to protect Brees and surround him with the type of talent needed to make him successfull I don't necessarily agree that Sean Payton was the sole reason either. The Saints have done a great job of building one of the best interior line for Brees. All QB's struggle with pressure up the middle but I think it effects shorter QB's even more. Look at the years when the Saints did not have protection up the middle. Brees struggled all of those years. Heck, Brady was on the downside of his career until the best offensive line coach in football returned to the Patriots. QB's cannot be successful without protection. I think the offensive line is even more important than your rb's, te's and wr's. I have always believed that QB's get too much blame and too much credit when they succeed or fail. No QB can succeed without a good supporting cast. Even the great Rodgers or Wilson cannot succeed without help. When a QB wins the MVP, it is a combination of great QB play and the play of the supporting cast. In the year Ryan won the MVP, Ryan was unbelievably good, but so was his supporting cast. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DoYouSeeWhatHappensLarry Posted October 18, 2018 Share Posted October 18, 2018 5 hours ago, PeytonMannings Forehead said: Looks like that stat is just related to sacks per pass attempt with a modifier in for certain downs like 3rd and long which is certainly more comprehensive than just a regular stat. But I didn’t see anything regarding pressures or a modifier for how quickly the quarterback gets rid of the ball, which can absolutely make a lines pass blocking look better than it really is on paper. Yes. ASR and most of FO OL metrics are tough to interpret. While I think the run game has been pretty poor in many respects, a lot of this doesnt mean what people think it does. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DoYouSeeWhatHappensLarry Posted October 18, 2018 Share Posted October 18, 2018 Man, now we're retconning Drew Brees' career? Yiiiiiikes this board can't get out of its own way sometimes... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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