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Stats in blue represent pass blocking. Teams are ranked according to Adjusted Sack Rate, which gives sacks (plus intentional grounding penalties) per pass attempt adjusted for down, distance, and opponent. Pass blocking stats are explained further here. Our sack totals may differ slightly from official NFL totals depending on the league's retroactive statistical adjustments.

RUN BLOCKING PASS PROTECTION
  Team Adj. Line
Yards
RB
Yards
Power
Success
Power
Rank
Stuffed Stuffed
Rank
2nd Level
Yards
2nd Level
Rank
Open Field
Yards
Open Field
Rank
Team Rank Sacks Adjusted
Sack Rate
RUN BLOCKING PASS PROTECTION
  Team Adj. Line
Yards
RB
Yards
Power
Success
Power
Rank
Stuffed Stuffed
Rank
2nd Level
Yards
2nd Level
Rank
Open Field
Yards
Open Field
Rank
Team Rank Sacks Adjusted
Sack Rate
1 LAR 5.68 4.87 70% 16 12% 1 1.55 3 0.72 16 KC 1 6 3.8%
2 SF 4.99 5.34 63% 21 22% 25 1.67 2 1.33 3 PIT 2 9 4.0%
3 NE 4.98 4.46 60% 22 14% 2 1.34 10 0.64 21 NE 3 8 4.1%
4 NO 4.97 4.01 76% 11 15% 4 0.91 29 0.65 20 BAL 4 12 4.5%
5 CAR 4.87 4.87 60% 22 15% 5 1.48 6 0.90 11 LAC 5 8 4.7%
6 DEN 4.79 5.05 82% 5 20% 15 1.53 4 1.06 7 IND 6 10 5.0%
7 LAC 4.71 5.32 46% 32 23% 29 1.83 1 1.24 4 CIN 7 12 5.0%
8 GB 4.61 4.44 67% 17 20% 19 1.52 5 0.52 23 DET 8 9 5.1%
9 PHI 4.56 4.20 81% 6 18% 11 1.34 9 0.49 25 LAR 9 11 5.3%
10 JAX 4.54 3.87 80% 7 14% 3 1.06 24 0.30 29 TB 10 11 5.6%
11 MIA 4.53 4.47 50% 28 20% 18 1.35 8 0.69 18 NO 11 8 5.7%
12 DAL 4.48 4.75 72% 12 20% 17 1.28 12 1.15 5 CAR 12 8 5.9%
13 CIN 4.34 4.45 67% 17 21% 23 1.38 7 0.93 10 DEN 13 15 6.4%
14 IND 4.34 3.95 60% 22 15% 6 1.13 20 0.38 27 MIA 14 11 6.4%
15 CLE 4.29 4.58 50% 28 23% 28 1.27 13 1.10 6 MIN 15 18 6.6%
16 PIT 4.26 4.27 71% 13 20% 21 1.18 15 0.97 9 JAX 16 14 6.6%
17 SEA 4.25 4.29 90% 2 17% 7 1.13 19 0.71 17 NYJ 17 13 6.6%
18 DET 4.24 4.25 100% 1 18% 10 1.17 17 0.75 15 ARI 18 13 7.0%
19 OAK 4.19 3.93 58% 25 17% 8 1.17 16 0.52 24 CHI 19 12 7.1%
20 WAS 4.16 4.19 80% 7 19% 13 1.30 11 0.83 14 WAS 20 12 7.3%
21 CHI 4.14 3.95 70% 14 20% 20 1.09 21 0.59 22 ATL 21 17 7.5%
22 BAL 4.01 3.42 83% 3 21% 24 0.98 27 0.33 28 OAK 22 17 7.6%
23 KC 4.01 4.34 64% 19 19% 14 0.95 28 0.99 8 GB 23 21 7.8%
24 BUF 4.00 3.43 64% 19 18% 9 0.81 32 0.25 31 NYG 24 20 7.9%
25 HOU 3.82 3.56 50% 28 22% 26 1.09 23 0.44 26 PHI 25 18 8.1%
26 MIN 3.78 3.97 83% 3 20% 16 1.04 25 0.86 13 SF 26 20 8.2%
27 ARI 3.72 3.15 58% 25 18% 12 0.91 30 0.17 32 DAL 27 19 9.7%
28 NYJ 3.71 5.09 70% 14 23% 27 1.23 14 1.84 2 CLE 28 26 10.0%
29 TEN 3.68 3.23 77% 10 20% 22 0.82 31 0.28 30 SEA 29 19 10.1%
30 ATL 3.48 3.70 55% 27 28% 31 1.09 22 0.86 12 HOU 30 25 10.8%
31 TB 3.30 3.41 50% 28 31% 32 0.99 26 0.67 19 TEN 31 20 11.0%
32 NYG 3.11 4.85 80% 7 25% 30 1.15 18 1.96 1 BUF 32 24 11.1%
x NFL x 4.27 69% x 19% x 1.05 x 0.68 x NFL x 15

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  • lostnmexico changed the title to Our Offensive Line Numbers....You decide

While the line is the third worst ranked run blocking line in the league......I was suprised to find that we were much better pass blocking than I thought.  While 22nd is definitely not good…...it isn't horrifying.  Also consider our backs gave up a few of those Sacks as well!

https://www.footballoutsiders.com/stats/ol

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Looks like that stat is just related to sacks per pass attempt with a modifier in for certain downs like 3rd and long which is certainly more comprehensive than just a regular stat. But I didn’t see anything regarding pressures or a modifier for how quickly the quarterback gets rid of the ball, which can absolutely make a lines pass blocking look better than it really is on paper.

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Also, I didn’t see that ranking factor in quarterback hits which is a big one for me. Maybe I missed it.

But right now our line is ranked #2 for the second most quarterback hits allowed with 47. Houston is #1 with 65.

Just for context the team that has surrendered the fewest quarterback hits is the Saints with 17 on the season.

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22 minutes ago, PeytonMannings Forehead said:

Also, I didn’t see that ranking factor in quarterback hits which is a big one for me. Maybe I missed it.

But right now our line is ranked #2 for the second most quarterback hits allowed with 47. Houston is #1 with 65.

Just for context the team that has surrendered the fewest quarterback hits is the Saints with 17 on the season.

I agree on both points but Sacks allowed….particularly for individual players is hard to source and believe me...I have been looking most of the morning.  More particularly, I would like to know how many Sacks Allowed by Mack, Schweitzer, and Fusco...…….I think Fusco has been a major liability by the way and that has contributed to Macks alleged decline.

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26 minutes ago, PeytonMannings Forehead said:

Also, I didn’t see that ranking factor in quarterback hits which is a big one for me. Maybe I missed it.

But right now our line is ranked #2 for the second most quarterback hits allowed with 47. Houston is #1 with 65.

Just for context the team that has surrendered the fewest quarterback hits is the Saints with 17 on the season.


UGH!!!  THE AINTS?!?!?!  I HATE to see them 1st in ANYTHING!!!  LOL! 

But that's not good to see we're 2nd in the most QB hits --- if your opponent gets that close to your QB, it's disruptive to his timing and leads to more sacks!  I'm surprised MR2 doesn't have more interceptions and incomplete passes than he does.... 



 

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4 minutes ago, FalconJim said:


UGH!!!  THE AINTS?!?!?!  I HATE to see them 1st in ANYTHING!!!  LOL! 

But that's not good to see we're 2nd in the most QB hits --- if your opponent gets that close to your QB, it's disruptive to his timing and leads to more sacks!  I'm surprised MR2 doesn't have more interceptions and incomplete passes than he does.... 



 

Sssssh!  Not that I don't agree…..I just don't want to say it for fear that it may come to pass.

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1 hour ago, PeytonMannings Forehead said:

Also, I didn’t see that ranking factor in quarterback hits which is a big one for me. Maybe I missed it.

But right now our line is ranked #2 for the second most quarterback hits allowed with 47. Houston is #1 with 65.

Just for context the team that has surrendered the fewest quarterback hits is the Saints with 17 on the season.

That is crazy. Don't get me wrong. Drew Brees is a great quarterback, but they really have set him up for success with his offensive line, running backs, and wide receivers. I think there are a good number of QB's that could step into a situation and be successful. 

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1 hour ago, Jpg428gggg said:

That is crazy. Don't get me wrong. Drew Brees is a great quarterback, but they really have set him up for success with his offensive line, running backs, and wide receivers. I think there are a good number of QB's that could step into a situation and be successful. 

I agree...Sean Peyton is Sean Peyton for a reason and he does a great job of protecting Brees....no doubt about it.  I still remember the Jimmy Graham/Unger trade……….. one of the best (albeit most unpopular) trades in NFL history based on the ramifications of said trade. 

Think Seattle would make that trade if they could go back in time?

No Chance.  I Hate the Saints as any Falcons Fan Will, but I recognize Sean Peytons qualifications as a Coach and share your opinión.

Drew Brees is very much a product of Sean Paytons system and they have been married at the hip from Day 1 together.

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1 hour ago, FalconJim said:


UGH!!!  THE AINTS?!?!?!  I HATE to see them 1st in ANYTHING!!!  LOL! 

But that's not good to see we're 2nd in the most QB hits --- if your opponent gets that close to your QB, it's disruptive to his timing and leads to more sacks!  I'm surprised MR2 doesn't have more interceptions and incomplete passes than he does.... 



 

It's because for the majority of his career he's had to endure constant pressure, a lot of hits and sacks because his OL has been terrible to downright abysmal. I'm sure he don't like it, but he's dang sure used to it and he keeps getting the job done anyway.

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2 hours ago, PeytonMannings Forehead said:

Also, I didn’t see that ranking factor in quarterback hits which is a big one for me. Maybe I missed it.

But right now our line is ranked #2 for the second most quarterback hits allowed with 47. Houston is #1 with 65.

Just for context the team that has surrendered the fewest quarterback hits is the Saints with 17 on the season.

I like the way you think.  QB hits are huge, because they make the QB uncomfortable, make him hurry, etc.  

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43 minutes ago, lostnmexico said:

I agree...Sean Peyton is Sean Peyton for a reason and he does a great job of protecting Brees....no doubt about it.  I still remember the Jimmy Graham/Unger trade……….. one of the best (albeit most unpopular) trades in NFL history based on the ramifications of said trade. 

Think Seattle would make that trade if they could go back in time?

No Chance.  I Hate the Saints as any Falcons Fan Will, but I recognize Sean Peytons qualifications as a Coach and share your opinión.

Drew Brees is very much a product of Sean Paytons system and they have been married at the hip from Day 1 together.

Agree that Sean Payton is a great offensive coach, but saying, "Brees is very much a product of...", really does a disservice to what/who Drew Brees is. They have worked extremely well together, and it is truly a great marriage, but Brees isn't great just because of Payton.   

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32 minutes ago, Boise Falcon Fan said:

Agree that Sean Payton is a great offensive coach, but saying, "Brees is very much a product of...", really does a disservice to what/who Drew Brees is. They have worked extremely well together, and it is truly a great marriage, but Brees isn't great just because of Payton.   

http://www.rotoworld.com/stats/nfl/591/drew-brees

Drew Brees Never threw for over 4000 yards until he united with Peyton.

Drew Brees Never threw for over 224 Y/PG until he united with Peyton.

More importantly, Brees had SEVEN 300 yard plus games during FIVE years in San Diego.

He had EIGHT in his first year under Payton and averages well over SEVEN PER SEASON in New Orleans.

What I posted is not a disservice to Brees.  It is a fact. Drew Brees is very much a product of Sean Paytons system.

San Diego let Brees walk and Drew owes his career to Sean Payton in my opinión.

Too short, Too Raw, Never gonna be a francise guy. Early in his career, there were questions about Drew Brees having a slow reléase. (http://www.espn.com/nfl/news/story?id=2368304) Hey...they drafted Phillip Rivers for a reason.

Better link: https://www.boltsfromtheblue.com/2010/2/8/1301176/why-did-the-chargers-let-drew

I stand by my comments.  Payton was able to protect Brees and surround him with the type of talent needed to make him successfull

 

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1 hour ago, lostnmexico said:

http://www.rotoworld.com/stats/nfl/591/drew-brees

Drew Brees Never threw for over 4000 yards until he united with Peyton.

Drew Brees Never threw for over 224 Y/PG until he united with Peyton.

More importantly, Brees had SEVEN 300 yard plus games during FIVE years in San Diego.

He had EIGHT in his first year under Payton and averages well over SEVEN PER SEASON in New Orleans.

What I posted is not a disservice to Brees.  It is a fact. Drew Brees is very much a product of Sean Paytons system.

San Diego let Brees walk and Drew owes his career to Sean Payton in my opinión.

Too short, Too Raw, Never gonna be a francise guy. Early in his career, there were questions about Drew Brees having a slow reléase. (http://www.espn.com/nfl/news/story?id=2368304) Hey...they drafted Phillip Rivers for a reason.

Better link: https://www.boltsfromtheblue.com/2010/2/8/1301176/why-did-the-chargers-let-drew

I stand by my comments.  Payton was able to protect Brees and surround him with the type of talent needed to make him successfull

 

I don't necessarily agree that Sean Payton was the sole reason either. The Saints have done a great job of building one of the best interior line for Brees. All QB's struggle with pressure up the middle but I think it effects shorter QB's even more. Look at the years when the Saints did not have protection up the middle. Brees struggled all of those years. Heck, Brady was on the downside of his career until the best offensive line coach in football returned to the Patriots. QB's cannot be successful without protection. I think the offensive line is even more important than your rb's, te's and wr's.

I have always believed that QB's get too much blame and too much credit when they succeed or fail. No QB can succeed without a good supporting cast. Even the great Rodgers or Wilson cannot succeed without help. 

When a QB wins the MVP, it is a combination of great QB play and the play of the supporting cast. In the year Ryan won the MVP, Ryan was unbelievably good, but so was his supporting cast.

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5 hours ago, PeytonMannings Forehead said:

Looks like that stat is just related to sacks per pass attempt with a modifier in for certain downs like 3rd and long which is certainly more comprehensive than just a regular stat. But I didn’t see anything regarding pressures or a modifier for how quickly the quarterback gets rid of the ball, which can absolutely make a lines pass blocking look better than it really is on paper.

Yes. ASR and most of FO OL metrics are tough to interpret. While I think the run game has been pretty poor in many respects, a lot of this doesnt mean what people think it does. 

 

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