Quinn : Rushing attack needs attention

[Ergo Proxy]

 

[1989Fan]

4 hours ago, Falcon You said:

Freeman is not the Freeman of old.  He got his contract and has lost that fight in him.  He used to run with passion and aggression, but now he runs because he is under contract.  Freeman is done and will never be the same again.

What a load of ****. No facts to back up your crap. Missing the “Freeman of old” is why this run game isn’t working. He is hurt, not lacking fight. 

[1989Fan]

3 hours ago, Falcon You said:

His body breaking down is possible the cause, but I just haven't seen him run the same as when he wanted that contract.  Remember, he started all that contract crap during super bowl week.  I think the contract is more important to him than working on his body.  Some backs have played for a long time, but they worked on their body.  Have you seen the video of how much Steven Jackson worked on his body during the week.  Of course, he didn't do much for us when he was here, but he was still in good shape and had Oline been decent he would have a decent year.  

Alot of people relax after getting that contract.  Another example is Flacco.  He hasn't done anything since getting that contract.  Some people get them money and just don't put in 100% anymore.

Steven Jackson dealt with injuries more than Free even, despite taking care of his body.

like I said, you have nothing to prove your claim that Free doesn’t give his all anymore since getting signed.

[Gold4425]

I'm telling you we need Coleman 260 lb fullback but their stubbornness will not allow it

[red falcon]

2 hours ago, 1989Fan said:

What a load of ****. No facts to back up your crap. Missing the “Freeman of old” is why this run game isn’t working. He is hurt, not lacking fight. 

Its not just free bro, our guards are trash.

[Black Francis]

6 hours ago, The Falcon Jedi Knight said:

You cant keep expecting Ryan to throw 500 yards . 3 TDs every game. Ryan is being tasked to put up HOF stats every game now just to keep up the scoring because we have no Defense. We MUST RUN MORE (and not that dang toss sweep play) to slow the clock and game down. We have the worst OG ever, and until they learn how to block up the middle then our Run game is going to be limited to those toss plays

Fusco has been getting bull dozed this year. 

[kiwifalcon]

8 hours ago, since68andcounting said:

We need more attack up the middle. Traps and draws. Coleman can split a seam if we give him one. As long as no one touches his shoelaces lol.

Traps work really well against big defensive fronts get there bodies moving one way and run a counter you just have to trust your Gs and C to work in unison.

[kiwifalcon]

7 hours ago, falcon22 said:

As much as we like Sark improvement in the offense with play calling and formations, I agree with the concern that in the running game he still lacking. He keeps calling toss plays, etc...he may be the reason why Freeman has not really flourished since his new contract aside from the fact that he is injured a lot lately. The passing game results have been elevated aside from thew blocking issues with the OL (not Sark's fault) but in the running game, he needs help. 

Sark has a tough time calling those inside zone runs when you have a new G on the right side and Wes playing left side and I hate to say this Mack showing signs of decline.

Some how we have to get it done though and here in why I believe they are going to there strengths where they run the ball behind Matthews especially with the toss play.

[FalconFanSince1970]

11 hours ago, Vandy said:

He won’t say it, but biggest issue in running game is missing freeman. 

Yep, and if I were Quinn I'd put Teco in the slot at WR. He can't see the holes worth a dam. Put him in the Metcalf role. Start Ito in the Free role. Gurley was the move in 2015. Not Beasley. Him and Free were the answer. We would have been set at RB. Trust me. 

[caver50]

9 hours ago, The Falcon Jedi Knight said:

You cant keep expecting Ryan to throw 500 yards . 3 TDs every game. Ryan is being tasked to put up HOF stats every game now just to keep up the scoring because we have no Defense. We MUST RUN MORE (and not that dang toss sweep play) to slow the clock and game down. We have the worst OG ever, and until they learn how to block up the middle then our Run game is going to be limited to those toss plays

A bunch of us lobbied for a high round Guard in the draft to no avail.

 

[YoungHeezy]

22 hours ago, Falcon You said:

Freeman is not the Freeman of old.  He got his contract and has lost that fight in him.  He used to run with passion and aggression, but now he runs because he is under contract.  Freeman is done and will never be the same again.

This is last season..*after* the contract extension

 

[E. T.]

The oline doesn't seem to be doing things as efficiently as in 2016. Coaching and certain emphasis have changed.

[Knight of God]

Many thought there would be problems. Maybe call Fowler.

[2_legit_2_legit_2_quit]

On 10/16/2018 at 2:56 PM, virginiafalcon said:

The statistics do not back up your argument.  Freeman has been superior as a runner to Coleman, Ward, or Smith when healthy.

The concern should not be that he's lost his "aggression", but that his body has begun to break down and he may never be consistently healthy again.

No matter which route you take, they both get you to the same destination. Freeman can’t produce like he used to.

[Ergo Proxy]

2 hours ago, Knight of God said:

Many thought there would be problems. Maybe call Fowler.

He was called but let go. 

Issue is in the details. We simply aren't schemed or built for power football. Find it interesting Kyle had entire day dedicated to run game plan when in Washington. Might explain the rush offense being clearly better with him here. DiMarco and Levitre being out doesn't help, but unison matters. Fusco has been solid so far. Ryan has fallen off a bit. Only guy this year has been Matthews that we haven't heard about. The tell tale sign.

However, a guy like Fowler might help in some short-yardage situations because our OL will let someone through and you gotta hit and fall forward lol.

[Knight of God]

17 minutes ago, Ergo Proxy said:

He was called but let go. 

Issue is in the details. We simply aren't schemed or built for power football. Find it interesting Kyle had entire day dedicated to run game plan when in Washington. Might explain the rush offense being clearly better with him here. DiMarco and Levitre being out doesn't help, but unison matters. Fusco has been solid so far. Ryan has fallen off a bit. Only guy this year has been Matthews that we haven't heard about. The tell tale sign.

However, a guy like Fowler might help in some short-yardage situations because our OL will let someone through and you gotta hit and fall forward lol.

Fowler is underrated as a runner, receiver, and yeah short yardage. Thing is, he can REALLY run if given an opportunity 

[Ergo Proxy]

16 hours ago, Knight of God said:

Fowler is underrated as a runner, receiver, and yeah short yardage. Thing is, he can REALLY run if given an opportunity 

I guess the idea seems to be we aren’t planning on being in situations to use the FB much....just a thought. We had Brian Hill active last week I thought. It would take someone specific like that to make it part of a game day active plan. Wondering if it has anything to do with STs?? I digress...

Really hoping, outside of anything with fundamentals on defense, that improved ground game is a close 2nd at getting attention. The protection schemes 3rd as a follow up once run game is given enough attention. Other layers of installation or focus after that.

[mattyicefalcon]

On 10/16/2018 at 11:13 AM, octoslash said:

I like Dan Quinn but his stubbornness is veering over toward self-delusion. 

We can't pick up two yards when we need to.  

Our offensive line is lightweight and weak, and the opponents know they can beat that wimpy blocking scheme with simple stunts.  They do it almost every snap. 

It's not scheme.  It's talent, and we lack it all along the line.  Even Alex Mack has degraded noticeably.

If Alex Mack has degraded.....Then hows Matt Ryan and Julio / Ridley torching up NFL on offense? 

I do not believe Ryan has even been sacked from his blind side....thanks to Jake Matthews.

Now if you mentioned, Shraeder I could understand because hes been below average.

In my opinion,  absence of Freemans grit / toughness and his ability to hit the vertical gap with attitude has hurt this teams running game.

Coleman is a different change of pace breed.

Ito Smith is a project but solid needs few years and needs to get more aggressive

I believe we will see a good balance Monday night.

 

 

[Knight of God]

2 hours ago, Ergo Proxy said:

I guess the idea seems to be we aren’t planning on being in situations to use the FB much....just a thought. We had Brian Hill active last week I thought. It would take someone specific like that to make it part of a game day active plan. Wondering if it has anything to do with STs?? I digress...

Really hopinf, outside of anything with fundamentals on defense, that improved ground game is a close 2nd at getting attention. The protection schemes 3rd as a follow up once run game is given enough attention. Other layers of installation or focus after that.

Forgot about him. Well, you don’t have to use a power attack, but you should probably consider if your run game is lacking, try something you haven’t. 

[celtiksage]

On 10/16/2018 at 1:57 PM, since68andcounting said:

I support this 100%. Even when you're not getting yardage, KEEP DOING IT. Don't be afraid to run a quick hitting draw or a backside trap or counter on 3rd and medium. Teams love to pressure Ryan. If you can get Coleman through the LOS, with the receivers downfield in man and the DBs turned the other way, he could make one cut and head to the house.

So true. I haven't seen a draw play from us in an eon. The days of Metcalf are way gone. I bet the Judge could kill it on a shotgun draw play.

[mountain_jim3]

It appears to me we need more deception, like on that infernal outside toss play, needs to be some counter options or fakes to something else, to stop defenses from being there before the RB is.

[ATLSlobberKnockers]

Since the coldwar ended, there isn't as big of a threat of a rushin attack

[DoYouSeeWhatHappensLarry]

On 10/16/2018 at 2:12 PM, TheUsualStuff said:

Freeman isn't the problem. An inability to have open running lanes and abandoning the run trying to keep up with the opposition because of our defense are the primary issues.

Freeman fixes a ton of these issues far better than the other two backs do. 

Our run volume isnt as high as you'd like but it hasnt been efficient regardless of attempt. Its been bad. 

[DoYouSeeWhatHappensLarry]

On 10/16/2018 at 2:37 PM, kiwifalcon said:

If we want to keep cracking the edge and run there,Matthews and Schraeder and whoever is playing TE need to really focus in on these DEs to stop them from crashing down into our backfield.

Thats what kills zone blocking runs is opposing DEs appearing in the backfield and culling the ability for our RBs to get a read off of that outside tackles block.If those OTs can hold those DEs up it's a 2 way go for the RB outside or a cutback run.

Theres a lot to this. If you look at our split line stats from FO, the weakest points are definitely runs to the left/right ends. We rank in the bottom 5 of the league in both areas. From LT to RT, we're closer to average. 

I dont know if its the TEs, the Ts or the WRs, but we're having very little success on the far edge.

[DoYouSeeWhatHappensLarry]

On 10/17/2018 at 0:48 AM, caver50 said:

A bunch of us lobbied for a high round Guard in the draft to no avail.

 

There were only 2 guards taken near our picks...Will Hernandez and Braden Smith. Neither team is doing all that well at those spots. The Giants are the worst team in the league at mid-guard runs and in ALY. The Colts are closer to average. Thats not all on Hernandez/Smith but typically you arent fixing holes with rookies, you're fixing holes in the future. To that end, our 1st round rookie has been arguably the OROY to date.