athell

Well guys...it's been real...

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1 hour ago, DoYouSeeWhatHappensLarry said:

I genuinely appreciate the input, @athell

I certainly disagree with your characterization of my "hypocrisy." I don't deny being an active participant in many many heated discussions all over the this board. I have no doubt that some find my tone to be arrogant and patronizing. I've been here for many years and in that time have definitely gotten into it with scores of posters....and sometimes in a less constructive way than I'd like. But I do try to keep things on the good sign of the line. 

What I DONT do is call people idiots or engage in the sorts of conduct that you find yourself repeatedly reported for. Civility doesnt mean "hunky dory" behavior....it means focus on the arguments. Discuss the assertions. Discuss the errors in judgment. Sometimes you do a really good job with that. Other times, you mistake opinions with which you disagree for things in violation of the COC. Part of being a constructive moderator is knowing the line between shutting down opinions with which you do not agree and actually trying to cultivate an environment of freespirited debate and discussion. While I can think of a couple dudes that would accuse me of stifling their "opinions" because I "dont agree with them," there isnt a whole lot of merit to those allegations, IMO. I do my best to keep things as close to civil as can reasonably be expected. I'm sure I fail sometimes. It happens. 

Another thing I DONT do is monitor every single post that flies around these boards. The rest of the mod staff and I moderate the board for free, on a volunteer basis, as time permits. We dont have shifts, we sorta take things as they come. And while I'd love to have even more time to scour these boards for posts in violation of the COC, I simply dont have time. So I and the other moderators rely to a large degree on the reports and input of fellow posters to identify truly objectionable commentary. I realize this leaves many holes through which posts can fall. I think I can speak for all of us when I say that I wish it wasnt that way...but here we are. 

If you're leaving, I wish you best of luck and much happiness both personally and with respect to your NFL rooting interest. If not, I urge you to take a moment to collect yourself, try to work on your lashing out at folks with whom you disagree and get back in the fray. 

 

Could've just said pz, had to rub it in Larry lol :ninja:.

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12 minutes ago, ATLFalcons11 said:

Well I have a good grip on what I think about it but I don't see anything wrong with getting a different perspective on it and having a discussion about it.

Heck he ain't here to talk about it. Lol.

Nah I ain’t gonna dig into it. Like I said earlier, the same mod subliminally called me an antagonist the other day after agreeing with him about something another poster said so I’ll leave it alone before he bans me too

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1 hour ago, athell said:

Gents (and ladies), I have been going back and forth on whether or not I was going to post one of these posts, but I decided to due to the amount of good people that are on here and those I have grown to appreciate and enjoy.  Also, a couple things this is not...this is not a cry for attention.  For those who know me, know I could not care less about being front and center with some 'look at me' post...this is not that.  This is also not an attempt to get anyone to try to convince me to stay.  I also do not need that in my life.  Finally, this is not one of those posts where someone says they are leaving only to be back 12 hours later.  This ain't that.  This is my goodbye to this forum and to the friendships I have formed therein.

I was going to @ all the people that I have grown close with, but honestly it would be too long of a list and I would undoubtedly forget people so I will just say I will be DM'ing the people that I have grown closest with this week to get their contact info to stay in touch.  If you would like mine, please do the same.

I've been sitting on this for a week mainly because I got a nice week long vacation at the hands of Larry.  The week off was justified I must admit...he gave me warning points which I did not agree with, and I had some less than choice words for him via DM about those warning points.  The fact of the matter is, this forum has been trending downwards for some time.  The good posters and posts are drowned out by all the bad posters and posts.  It seems like there is just this constant regurgitation of the same bad, inaccurate, unfounded, conspiracy posts and it just makes it incredibly hard to focus on the good that this forum brings.  I find myself more annoyed and angry when reading through these threads more than anything else and it just seems pointless to put myself through all that any longer.  Seeing the 'I'm Done' thread, and the replies kind of sealed it for me knowing that it isn't just me feeling this way.

I also want to use this time as a plead to those who can turn this place around...so consider this my exit interview, mods.  @PK Manley, @Monoxide y'all are cool with me.  I enjoy your posting, and I think you are good people and good moderators.  @DoYouSeeWhatHappensLarry, I can't say the same for you.  Not sure how you are in person, but to be honest as a moderator of these forums you leave a lot to be desired.  You are a hypocrite.  You say and do things that you have given me warning points for.  You say and do things that go against the the code of conduct you hide behind, including calling someone crazy literally days after giving me warning points for the same thing.  You talk down to people.  You patronize people.  You don't operate in "a healthy and civil manner", and yet it's alright for you to do it because, why?  You are a moderator?  Nah.

Truth is, this place will continue to die a slow death the way it is currently being moderated.  Truth is you push the rules when it is convenient for you.  Folks continue to go around the language filter.  Folks continue to comment on Sark's alcoholism.  Every single thread goes against the "Provoking or instigating arguments in a way that disrupts the board's general cohesiveness will not be tolerated" conduct argument...and yet, you seem to want to push points for those of us who call a spade a spade and call people out on their terrible posting.  We have people here who make terrible thread after terrible thread.  Filling the front page with several different threads about the same terrible thing.  We have folks who love making up clever and witty nicknames for players that make them sound like children.  We have folks who routinely move goal posts and beat around the bush whenever a more knowledgeable poster tries to teach them something about the game, or this team and players, and yet they go unchecked.  Because why?  Because it's more important for you to seek and destroy the folks who call dumb posts dumb?  Maybe if you did a better job of moderating these forums, people wouldn't have to make these posts calling others out?  Maybe if there was a post limit for creating new threads?   Maybe if the negative reputation was brought back?  Maybe a combination of all of the above would prevent this place from circling the drain?  I don't know...but picking and choosing when to enforce rules and picking and choosing when to apply warning points instead of being consistent may be a good place to start...just a thought...maybe try to make this place tolerable again?

I appreciate the time I had here and I appreciate those of you who I have grown close with, you know who you are.  As I said, I will be reaching out to some of you this week to get your contact info so we can keep in touch.  I will miss y'all.  This will be my past post here

RISE UP!

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1 hour ago, DoYouSeeWhatHappensLarry said:

I genuinely appreciate the input, @athell

I certainly disagree with your characterization of my "hypocrisy." I don't deny being an active participant in many many heated discussions all over the this board. I have no doubt that some find my tone to be arrogant and patronizing. I've been here for many years and in that time have definitely gotten into it with scores of posters....and sometimes in a less constructive way than I'd like. But I do try to keep things on the good sign of the line. 

What I DONT do is call people idiots or engage in the sorts of conduct that you find yourself repeatedly reported for. Civility doesnt mean "hunky dory" behavior....it means focus on the arguments. Discuss the assertions. Discuss the errors in judgment. Sometimes you do a really good job with that. Other times, you mistake opinions with which you disagree for things in violation of the COC. Part of being a constructive moderator is knowing the line between shutting down opinions with which you do not agree and actually trying to cultivate an environment of freespirited debate and discussion. While I can think of a couple dudes that would accuse me of stifling their "opinions" because I "dont agree with them," there isnt a whole lot of merit to those allegations, IMO. I do my best to keep things as close to civil as can reasonably be expected. I'm sure I fail sometimes. It happens. 

Another thing I DONT do is monitor every single post that flies around these boards. The rest of the mod staff and I moderate the board for free, on a volunteer basis, as time permits. We dont have shifts, we sorta take things as they come. And while I'd love to have even more time to scour these boards for posts in violation of the COC, I simply dont have time. So I and the other moderators rely to a large degree on the reports and input of fellow posters to identify truly objectionable commentary. I realize this leaves many holes through which posts can fall. I think I can speak for all of us when I say that I wish it wasnt that way...but here we are. 

If you're leaving, I wish you best of luck and much happiness both personally and with respect to your NFL rooting interest. If not, I urge you to take a moment to collect yourself, try to work on your lashing out at folks with whom you disagree and get back in the fray. 

 

If you have to question if you are fair or not, then you have told be always my, because you HAVE!  So, without much fanfare and additional though sir you should unceremoniously move on! You are biased and more st definitely guilty of the same things you have suspended us for as well! Don’t take it personally, just do some soul searching and do a fair self svsluation and you will find the truth!

its time for you to move on, and give up the highly paid, power infested kick you sir are on! You feel important and have something you have never had, and certainly feel your oats! Go now, and be happy, please! 

Good bye all, I’m sure I’m getting banned permanently and am okay with it! Man, the hypocrisy of it all!

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1 minute ago, roguebeaver said:

If you have to question if you are fair or not, then you have told be always my, because you HAVE!  So, without much fanfare and additional though sir you should unceremoniously move on! You are biased and more st definitely guilty of the same things you have suspended us for as well! Don’t take it personally, just do some soul searching and do a fair self svsluation and you will find the truth!

its time for you to move on, and give up the highly paid, power infested kick you sir are on! You feel important and have something you have never had, and certainly feel your oats! Go now, and be happy, please! 

Good bye all, I’m sure I’m getting banned permanently and am okay with it! Man, the hypocrisy of it all!

Why would you get banned? You are a good poster. If anyone should be banned, it should be the ones blatantly creating threads to cause discontent and get a rise out of people. Yesterday was a mess here. 

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12 minutes ago, The Falcon Jedi Knight said:

Im really upset no one is liking my Meme posts. Thats what im most peed off at right now. :(

I would have liked your skeleton, but he didn't have on a Falcon jersey    :)

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I guarantee you buddy is in his dorm room reading all these posts. He just ain't ready for the internet yet. Definitely not TATF, which is a microcosm of society. It's moderated way tighter than it used to be but nothing like other forums. Try the Sucs' and Aint's boards. They'll put a one year ban on you for disagreeing with anything. 

There ain't no way in hail dude would have survived TATF in the early 2000s when Moderator let pretty much everything go. He definitely would have had serious problems with Swift. I've been banned by Sac, Banker, Shiny, Rev, Denver and Mono. A couple well deserved. Most not. Mods are human too. They get caught up in the vortex and swing an unwarranted ban hammer sometimes. 

Dude wants everyone to agree with him. When they don't? He struggles. There are many here with the same problem. Mostly shiny happy blind loyalists. They created a forum here years ago called Pure Football for that group. It ended up with six guys slapping each other on the butt and singing CumByYa. They all got bored and came back to TATF where the action is, with all their issues intact and constantly whined. 

We all have one thing in common. We're Falcon fans that need rest. We're human though and express our thoughts, opinions and concerns in different ways. Like most of society. There's a way to co-exist. The CoC is a guideline. If you stay close to it the Mods will give you some leeway. Larry hates me but he never banned me. Put your big boy pants on and rise up son.

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Just now, FalconFanSince1970 said:

I guarantee you buddy is in his dorm room reading all these posts. He just ain't ready for the internet yet. Definitely not TATF, which is a microcosm of society. It's moderated way tighter than it used to be but nothing like other forums. Try the Sucs' and Aint's boards. They'll put a one year ban on you for disagreeing with anything. 

There ain't no way in hail dude would have survived TATF in the early 2000s when Moderator let pretty much everything go. He definitely would have had serious problems with Swift. I've been banned by Sac, Banker, Shiny, Rev, Denver and Mono. A couple well deserved. Most not. Mods are human too. They get caught up in the vortex and swing an unwarranted ban hammer sometimes. 

Dude wants everyone to agree with him. When they don't? He struggles. There are many here with the same problem. Mostly shiny happy blind loyalists. They created a forum here years ago called Pure Football for that group. It ended up with six guys slapping each other on the butt and singing CumByYa. They all got bored and came back to TATF where the action is, with all their issues intact and constantly whine. 

We all have one thing in common. We're Falcon fans that need rest. We're human though and express our thoughts, opinions and concerns in different ways. Like most of society. There's a way to co-exist. The CoC is a guideline. If you stay close to it the Mods will give you some leeway. Larry hates me but he never banned me. Put your big boy pants on and rise up son.

LMBO!

 

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You are right, though, FFS1970. I think most of the issue is people not having the emotional maturity and intellectual honesty to accept and process others opinions. I don't want people agreeing with me 100% of the time. "I aint goin' to learn anything". In fact, wanting people to agree with me 100% of the time is arrogant because it comes across as that person accepting their opinion as fact, 

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2 hours ago, athell said:

Gents (and ladies), I have been going back and forth on whether or not I was going to post one of these posts, but I decided to due to the amount of good people that are on here and those I have grown to appreciate and enjoy.  Also, a couple things this is not...this is not a cry for attention.  For those who know me, know I could not care less about being front and center with some 'look at me' post...this is not that.  This is also not an attempt to get anyone to try to convince me to stay.  I also do not need that in my life.  Finally, this is not one of those posts where someone says they are leaving only to be back 12 hours later.  This ain't that.  This is my goodbye to this forum and to the friendships I have formed therein.

I was going to @ all the people that I have grown close with, but honestly it would be too long of a list and I would undoubtedly forget people so I will just say I will be DM'ing the people that I have grown closest with this week to get their contact info to stay in touch.  If you would like mine, please do the same.

I've been sitting on this for a week mainly because I got a nice week long vacation at the hands of Larry.  The week off was justified I must admit...he gave me warning points which I did not agree with, and I had some less than choice words for him via DM about those warning points.  The fact of the matter is, this forum has been trending downwards for some time.  The good posters and posts are drowned out by all the bad posters and posts.  It seems like there is just this constant regurgitation of the same bad, inaccurate, unfounded, conspiracy posts and it just makes it incredibly hard to focus on the good that this forum brings.  I find myself more annoyed and angry when reading through these threads more than anything else and it just seems pointless to put myself through all that any longer.  Seeing the 'I'm Done' thread, and the replies kind of sealed it for me knowing that it isn't just me feeling this way.

I also want to use this time as a plead to those who can turn this place around...so consider this my exit interview, mods.  @PK Manley, @Monoxide y'all are cool with me.  I enjoy your posting, and I think you are good people and good moderators.  @DoYouSeeWhatHappensLarry, I can't say the same for you.  Not sure how you are in person, but to be honest as a moderator of these forums you leave a lot to be desired.  You are a hypocrite.  You say and do things that you have given me warning points for.  You say and do things that go against the the code of conduct you hide behind, including calling someone crazy literally days after giving me warning points for the same thing.  You talk down to people.  You patronize people.  You don't operate in "a healthy and civil manner", and yet it's alright for you to do it because, why?  You are a moderator?  Nah.

Truth is, this place will continue to die a slow death the way it is currently being moderated.  Truth is you push the rules when it is convenient for you.  Folks continue to go around the language filter.  Folks continue to comment on Sark's alcoholism.  Every single thread goes against the "Provoking or instigating arguments in a way that disrupts the board's general cohesiveness will not be tolerated" conduct argument...and yet, you seem to want to push points for those of us who call a spade a spade and call people out on their terrible posting.  We have people here who make terrible thread after terrible thread.  Filling the front page with several different threads about the same terrible thing.  We have folks who love making up clever and witty nicknames for players that make them sound like children.  We have folks who routinely move goal posts and beat around the bush whenever a more knowledgeable poster tries to teach them something about the game, or this team and players, and yet they go unchecked.  Because why?  Because it's more important for you to seek and destroy the folks who call dumb posts dumb?  Maybe if you did a better job of moderating these forums, people wouldn't have to make these posts calling others out?  Maybe if there was a post limit for creating new threads?   Maybe if the negative reputation was brought back?  Maybe a combination of all of the above would prevent this place from circling the drain?  I don't know...but picking and choosing when to enforce rules and picking and choosing when to apply warning points instead of being consistent may be a good place to start...just a thought...maybe try to make this place tolerable again?

I appreciate the time I had here and I appreciate those of you who I have grown close with, you know who you are.  As I said, I will be reaching out to some of you this week to get your contact info so we can keep in touch.  I will miss y'all.  This will be my past post here

RISE UP!

Yeah, Larry has got me too.. For a argument imo he started.. But wish you the best bro 

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21 minutes ago, Halcon-1 said:

Why would you get banned? You are a good poster. If anyone should be banned, it should be the ones blatantly creating threads to cause discontent and get a rise out of people. Yesterday was a mess here. 

He's just being weird.  Of course yesterday was a mess on here.  It always is on game day after a bad loss (or a normal loss, or a win sometimes).

Sure, we could merge 5 threads and then watch 20 more come take their place, but you just do what you can on here, and trying to put a lid on people's disappointment is simply a losing battle.

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Hope it works out for you my friend. It’s just a game, and this place is a reflection of how integral it is to us. Emotions run high and sometimes we need to step back and remind ourselves it’s all temporal. I’ve been apart of AFMB since the Vick indictment, and I can honestly say I’ve stepped back and reflected more than once.

You do you, and feel free to come back whenever you’re ready. 

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As for this place dying a slow death, the end of AFMB will be when the Falcons decide they want to cut it off. Given my conversations with those in charge of that decision, I think we’re gonna be here for the long run. Even newer outlets like Reddit can’t remotely compare to the absurd amount of traffic we get here. New members are coming rapidly more than regulars leaving. 

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