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CHARLOTTE, N.C. -- Cam Newton deserved an Academy Award after Wednesday's performance.

The Carolina Panthers quarterback, as he has in past years, made Sunday's 1 p.m. ET game against his hometown Atlanta Falcons at Mercedes-Benz Stadium sound like just another game on the schedule even though this never has been just another game for the former Westlake High School (Atlanta) phenom.

"I mean, you guys are really searching for stuff," Newton deadpanned in his weekly news conference. "It's the next game. Yes, it's a division game. After all that is said, you still have to find ways to win. I think I'm beyond all the fluff and trying to find a way to get myself going.

"I don't need nothing to get myself going."

From the standpoint that Newton hopes this isn't the biggest game he plays in Atlanta this season, that's correct. His ultimate goal is to return for Super Bowl LII on Feb. 3 to face the AFC champion, not the Falcons.

A Super Bowl title is the one thing missing from Newton's résumé, which includes the 2015 NFL MVP award. It's the one thing that keeps Newton from being talked about in the same breath as Tom BradyAaron RodgersDrew Brees and a handful of other elite quarterbacks.

The same goes for Atlanta's Matt Ryan, the 2016 NFL MVP.

The sportsbooks gave Newton and Ryan each 20-1 odds in June to win the 2018 MVP award. That tied them for sixth with second-year Houston quarterback Deshaun Watson, coming off a torn ACL, and San Francisco's Jimmy Garoppolowith seven career starts.

Ahead of them were Green Bay's Rodgers (13-2), New England's Brady (7-1), Philadelphia's Carson Wentz (19-2), New Orleans' Brees (15-1) and Seattle's Russell Wilson (15-1).

Not exactly a ringing endorsement for players who have won two of the past three MVPs.

It's also not a surprise.

NFL QBR Rankings Since 2008

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YEAR     BRADY  RODGERS  RYAN  NEWTON
Source: ESPN Stats & Info
2017 4 8 6 21
2016 2 4 1 26
2015 5 14 9 11
2014 3 2 9 18
2013 12 14 7 10
2012 2 6 7 16
2011 4 1 5 14
2010 1 6 3 --
2009 5 9 11 --
2008 -- 11 3 --

Newton and Ryan seldom get the same level of respect as other top quarterbacks. Statistically, there are three reasons -- Super Bowl titles, playoff wins and consistency.

Ryan and Newton both lost the Super Bowl after their MVP season. Brady has won five Super Bowls and Rodgers one. Both have won Super Bowl MVPs.

They also have won multiple regular-season MVP awards -- Brady three (including 2017) and Rodgers two.

"It's just a function of the Super Bowl and that creates an aura around you," NFL Hall of Fame executive and ESPN analyst Bill Polian said as he explained why Newton and Ryan don't get more respect. "If you lose the Super Bowl you're 2-14 in the eyes of a lot of media people, so you disappear.

"It's an echo chamber, if you will. It's Brady, it's Rodgers, it's [Ben] Roethlisberger, whoever the bright young star is. That fourth person fades in and out depending on how good the team is."

So don't be surprised if Jets rookie quarterback Sam Darnold moves into the MVP conversation after a Week 1 win at Detroit.

"I'm not sure I'd put a lot of stock in it," Polian said of the MVP award. "It tends to be a knee-jerk, headlines kind of award. And since neither Matt nor Cam have won a Super Bowl, people don't think of them in the same vein as the people that follow them on a daily basis."

That neither has a stellar playoff record doesn't help. Newton has been to the playoffs in four of seven seasons; Ryan in six of 10. Brady has 15 playoff appearance in 17 seasons and Rodgers eight in 10 since becoming the starter.

Then there's the matter of consistency. Newton entered this season with a career completion percentage of 58.5. His 35 touchdown passes during his MVP season were 11 more than any other season in his career and 13 or more than he's had in either of the past two seasons.

Ryan sandwiched his career-best 38 touchdown passes during his MVP season between 21 in 2015 and 20 in 2017.

Rodgers and Brady, by the way, rank 1-2 all-time in touchdown-interception ratio. Rodgers with a 4.05 ratio (316-to-78) leads Brady's 3.05 (491-161) by a wide margin.

Newton ranks 25th at 1.68 (158-94) and Ryan is 11th at 2.05 (260-167).

In terms of quarterback ranking since 2011, when Newton entered the league as the overall No. 1 pick, Ryan has a case to be discussed with Rodgers and Brady. He has an average ranking of 6.2, compared to 4.5 for Brady and 7.0 for Rodgers.

Newton is well back at 16.6.

Ryan also has passed for 4,000 yards in seven straight seasons, tied for the third-longest streak in the NFL. Newton hasn't come close to topping 4,000 yards since his rookie season.

His biggest edge over Ryan -- and every other quarterback in the league -- is rushing. Newton has 4,378 yards rushing and 55 rushing touchdowns. He didn't slow down that part of his game with new offensive coordinator Norv Turner, rushing for a team-best 58 yards and a touchdown in Sunday's 16-8 victory against Dallas.

Ryan has 1,031 rushing yards and five touchdowns.

"Matt's always been in that elite category in terms of what he does for his team," Polian said. "In Cam's case, being more inconsistent simply because he's not a typical quarterback hurts him.

"And he doesn't have as good of weapons around him as Matt does."

Newton also doesn't have a solid offensive line in front of him heading into this game, with starting left tackle Matt Kalil, right tackle Daryl Williams and Pro Bowl tight end Greg Olsen all out with injuries. Pro Bowl guard Trai Turner also could be out with a concussion.

But it's Newton's uniqueness as a running quarterback that gets him attention and allows the Panthers to survive games in which he doesn't have the best protection.

"I don't know why they don't get the credit they deserve, but Cam's definitely the most athletic quarterback I've been around -- period," Carolina cornerback Captain Munnerlyn said.

Polian called the 6-foot-5, 245-pound Newton an "anomaly in the history of the game."

"I've got to go back to Fran Tarkenton, who was a completely different body type, for somebody that did what's Cam's done," Polian said of the former Vikings quarterback who was 6-foot and 190 pounds. "That probably hurts him, too, in the sense he's unique, to the people that vote on the MVP."

That Newton and Ryan play in the NFC South with Brees also doesn't help, because the Saints quarterback is the division's standard of excellence and likely a lock for the Hall of Fame.

"And rightfully so," Polian said. "When you're thinking about the elite you're talking about Rodgers, Brady, Drew. No one is going to argue that they're not first-ballot Hall of Famers.

"That hurts the guys in the division, because the standards on which they're judged is so different. And Drew has the one Super Bowl."

And for Newton and Ryan, elite respect ultimately comes back to winning the Super Bowl.

http://www.espn.com/blog/carolina-panthers/post/_/id/30618/for-true-respect-cam-newton-matt-ryan-need-to-put-a-ring-on-it

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Sad, but true.  Ryan is on a HoF trajectory but without the ring I am wondering what the odds of him actually getting in are.  What sucks even worse is that the mouth breathers who hated him prior are pigs in mud right now because they can claim Ryan's success was solely because of Shanahan.

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All I got out of that article is that Cam's OL is banged up. Am I broken, or was that really the only useful info?

As interesting as it is, the "whose elite" stuff is all fluff and conjecture as far as I'm concerned. I actually don't even care if you won a ring last season...or the last six seasons. I really only care if you help the team win its next game or not. If you consistently do that...the rest of the stuff will take care of itself.

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Very interesting article....and thanks for sharing/posting. 
What I get from this, is just what I thought (my opinion only), Matt Ryan is an "overall" better QB (although, different), than Cam Newton!  I think that if one or the other makes the HOF, Ryan will be there first.  I also agree that if either one wants to be in the HOF conversation, they both need to have a ring --- that's just the way it goes in the NFL.  
And for Atlanta, it's fans, Mr. Blank, Coach Quinn, and especially Matt Ryan, I truly hope that we can hoist a Lombardi in this town, real soon!!!  



 

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11 hours ago, athell said:

Sad, but true.  Ryan is on a HoF trajectory but without the ring I am wondering what the odds of him actually getting in are.  What sucks even worse is that the mouth breathers who hated him prior are pigs in mud right now because they can claim Ryan's success was solely because of Shanahan.

What’s sad is he should already have two rings.

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1 hour ago, Jesus said:

Cam is most likely a first ballot guy. He is the best running QB ever and that means something.

Matt should be as well, but he has more to prove to the rest of the world apparently.

Hard to put a guy into the HoF if he keeps up a ~50% completion percentage and no SB. Vick was the best running QB ever for a while but I don't think he's ever sniffing the hall. 

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1 hour ago, Jesus said:

Cam is most likely a first ballot guy. He is the best running QB ever and that means something.

Matt should be as well, but he has more to prove to the rest of the world apparently.

 

I don't see him as a HOFer right now because his stats as a passer aren't really that good l right now.

 

History shows that HOF voters don't really care about running/mobile QBs unless they have the passing stats to go with it. That would mean that Vick would have to have HOF consideration. Same with Randall Cunningham for what he did during his era.

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15 hours ago, cb5639 said:

I get it. It’s week 2 bruh. Saints have started 0-2 three years in a row. Always time to hit your stride! This is just me an optimist opinion. I’m not done until we’re officially out the playoffs 

Id rather get losses and injuries early in the year, gives us time to make adjustments

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25 minutes ago, DawnOfThemBirds said:

 

I don't see him as a HOFer right now because his stats as a passer aren't really that good l right now.

 

History shows that HOF voters don't really care about running/mobile QBs unless they have the passing stats to go with it. That would mean that Vick would have to have HOF consideration. Same with Randall Cunningham for what he did during his era.

Eh, Vick never sniffed and MVP or Super Bowl and Cam has record for rushing TDs and will have it by a wide margin by the time he is done. Also has never once gotten in trouble and no QB has ever run like he has. Many QBs can scramble, thats what Vick and Cunningham were, neither brought the read option to the NFL as their standard offense. Not saying Cam deserves the HOF talk, but he has had a much better career than Vick, I dont think they are comparable.

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1 hour ago, DawnOfThemBirds said:

 

I don't see him as a HOFer right now because his stats as a passer aren't really that good l right now.

 

History shows that HOF voters don't really care about running/mobile QBs unless they have the passing stats to go with it. That would mean that Vick would have to have HOF consideration. Same with Randall Cunningham for what he did during his era.

I don’t think cam should compare to Vick  if he wants to end up in HOF. I would say Fran Tankerton or Steve Young.  Tankerton never won the SB but owned a lot of passing and rushing records in his era. Steve Young doesn’t have stats records but was all pro 4 times and two time MVP with a ring. With couple of MVP seasons and a ring or own records when you retire.

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1 hour ago, NYCFalc said:

Eh, Vick never sniffed and MVP or Super Bowl and Cam has record for rushing TDs and will have it by a wide margin by the time he is done. Also has never once gotten in trouble and no QB has ever run like he has. Many QBs can scramble, thats what Vick and Cunningham were, neither brought the read option to the NFL as their standard offense. Not saying Cam deserves the HOF talk, but he has had a much better career than Vick, I dont think they are comparable.

 

Cam is going to have to improve as a passer to have a chance to be successful enough to be considered a HOFer.

 

Him as a dynamic runner isn't enough.

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2 hours ago, NYCFalc said:

Eh, Vick never sniffed and MVP or Super Bowl and Cam has record for rushing TDs and will have it by a wide margin by the time he is done. Also has never once gotten in trouble and no QB has ever run like he has. Many QBs can scramble, thats what Vick and Cunningham were, neither brought the read option to the NFL as their standard offense. Not saying Cam deserves the HOF talk, but he has had a much better career than Vick, I dont think they are comparable.

Vick was close in 2004 (depends on your theshhold for sniffing).  Was honestly amazed they couldn't block for him in that NFCCG, because he was running for his life.

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4 hours ago, Jesus said:

Cam is most likely a first ballot guy. He is the best running QB ever and that means something.

Matt should be as well, but he has more to prove to the rest of the world apparently.

 Cam isn’t even close to be a Hall of Fame quarterback yet. 

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43 minutes ago, fuego said:

 Cam isn’t even close to be a Hall of Fame quarterback yet. 

Sure he is. 

He is the all time leading rusher among QBs and all time leader in rushing TDs. That plus his place among QBs of his generation. There isn't anyone else like him. That works in his favor. Also the people who vote for HOF seem to like him, more than they like Matt it seems.

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2 minutes ago, Jesus said:

You can find much worse in the hall of fame and they don't have 50,000 yard passing.

Not sure why that is relevant, most of those were from different era of football. 

Eli was once most overrated QB in all of football, until the last 5 years or so when is became so very obvious for all to see. 

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