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Julio will have his highest TD season this yr

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Alot blame goes to Julio but really the blame should go to Matt Ryan you kno how many times Julio had his man beat but Matt underthrown him that made Julio had to come back to the ball and slow down to catch the ball? Perfect example last week in the preseason Marvin Hall had a easy TD but Ryan underthrown him he had to slow down and wait for the ball if that was Brady, Rodgers or Brees that would've been a TD yall blaming the wrong player 

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13 hours ago, KingBlackkDawgg said:

Disagree!  Matt Ryan is not accurate and he throws lots of INTs.  Matt Ryan always look for Julio everyone knows who he will be throwing to.  The OC does not have a clue about running a pro offense.  I think Julio will suffer for these reasons.  I think his numbers will be the same or worst actually.  The Superbowl season Ryan threw to all WRs and TEs that's when he confused all teams they played.  I do want him to succeed.  I want the entire team to be outstanding and I will be rooting all the way.  For what I have seen in the preseason I just don't think the offense will be that stellar.  They will score points but I think its not aggressive enough.  I could be wrong actually I hope I am wrong!

I hope you aren't being serious.

The list I found of career interception rates has MR2 tied for 10th best in career INT rate of all players meeting the NFL's minimum requirements.

https://www.pro-football-reference.com/leaders/pass_int_perc_career.htm

RankPlayerInt%YearsTm

Rank Player Int% Years Tm
1 Aaron Rodgers 1.6% 2005-2018 gnb
2 Colin Kaepernick 1.8% 2011-2016 sfo
  Tom Brady 1.8% 2000-2018 nwe
4 Derek Carr 2.0% 2014-2018 rai
  Sam Bradford 2.0% 2010-2018 4TM
  Russell Wilson 2.0% 2012-2018 sea
7 Alex Smith 2.1% 2005-2018 3TM
  Neil O'Donnell 2.1% 1991-2003 4TM
9 Donovan McNabb 2.2% 1999-2011 3TM
10 Matt Ryan 2.3% 2008-2018 atl
  Jeff Garcia 2.3% 1999-2009 5TM
  Mark Brunell 2.3% 1994-2011 5TM
13 David Garrard 2.4% 2002-2010 jax
  Jason Campbell 2.4% 2006-2014 5TM
  Matthew Stafford 2.4% 2009-2018 det
16 Drew Brees 2.5% 2001-2018 2TM
  Joe Flacco 2.5% 2008-2018 rav
  Steve Bono 2.5% 1985-1999 7TM
  Rich Gannon 2.5% 1987-2004 4TM
  Ryan Tannehill 2.5% 2012-2018 mia
  Kyle Orton 2.5% 2005-2014 5TM
22 Philip Rivers 2.6% 2004-2018 sdg
  Andrew Luck 2.6% 2012-2018 clt
  Joe Montana+ 2.6% 1979-1994 2TM
  Steve Young+ 2.6% 1985-1999 2TM
  Bernie Kosar 2.6% 1985-1996 3TM
  Chad Pennington 2.6% 2000-2010 2TM
  Andy Dalton 2.6% 2011-2018 cin
  Byron Leftwich 2.6% 2003-2012 4TM
  Steve McNair 2.6% 1995-2007 2TM
  Kirk Cousins 2.6% 2012-2018 2TM
32 Peyton Manning 2.7% 1998-2015 2TM
  Ben Roethlisberger 2.7% 2004-2018 pit
  Tony Romo 2.7% 2004-2016 dal
  Ken O'Brien 2.7% 1984-1993 2TM
  Michael Vick 2.7% 2001-2015 4TM
  Cam Newton 2.7% 2011-2018 car
  Matt Schaub 2.7% 2004-2018 4TM
39 Brad Johnson 2.8% 1994-2008 4TM
  Jeff George 2.8% 1990-2001 5TM
  Jameis Winston 2.8% 2015-2018 tam
42 Neil Lomax 2.9% 1981-1988 crd
  Matt Hasselbeck 2.9% 1999-2015 4TM
  Blake Bortles 2.9% 2014-2018 jax
  Marc Bulger 2.9% 2002-2009 ram
46 Carson Palmer 3.0% 2004-2017 3TM
  Jim Harbaugh 3.0% 1987-2000 4TM
  Troy Aikman+ 3.0% 1989-2000 dal
  Dan Marino+ 3.0% 1983-1999 mia
  Jeff Hostetler 3.0% 1985-1997 3TM
  Matt Cassel 3.0% 2005-2018 7TM
  Trent Green 3.0% 1997-2008 4TM
53 Jeff Blake 3.1% 1992-2005 7TM
  Drew Bledsoe 3.1% 1993-2006 3TM
  Eli Manning 3.1% 2004-2018 nyg
  Josh McCown 3.1% 2002-2018 8TM
  Tony Banks 3.1% 1996-2005 4TM
  Aaron Brooks 3.1% 2000-2006 2TM
  John Elway+ 3.1% 1983-1998 den
  Randall Cunningham 3.1% 1985-2001 4TM
  Kerry Collins 3.1% 1995-2011 6TM
  David Carr 3.1% 2002-2012 4TM
  Kurt Warner+ 3.1% 1998-2009 3TM
64 Doug Flutie 3.2% 1986-2005 4TM
  Chad Henne 3.2% 2008-2018 3TM
  Charlie Batch 3.2% 1998-2012 2TM
67 Jay Cutler 3.3% 2006-2017 3TM
  Tony Eason 3.3% 1983-1990 2TM
  Brett Favre+ 3.3% 1991-2010 4TM
  Roman Gabriel 3.3% 1962-1977 2TM
  Elvis Grbac 3.3% 1994-2001 3TM
  Daunte Culpepper 3.3% 1999-2009 4TM
  Josh Freeman 3.3% 2009-2015 3TM
  Stan Humphries 3.3% 1989-1997 2TM
  Joey Harrington 3.3% 2002-2007 3TM
76 Steve Beuerlein 3.4% 1988-2003 6TM
  Ryan Fitzpatrick 3.4% 2005-2018 7TM
  Mark Rypien 3.4% 1988-2001 5TM
  Phil Simms 3.4% 1979-1993 nyg
  Gus Frerotte 3.4% 1994-2008 7TM
  Warren Moon+ 3.4% 1984-2000 4TM
  Erik Kramer 3.4% 1987-1999 4TM
  Jake Delhomme 3.4% 1999-2011 4TM
84 Scott Mitchell 3.5% 1991-2001 4TM
  Jim McMahon 3.5% 1982-1996 6TM
  Don Majkowski 3.5% 1987-1996 3TM
  Bubby Brister 3.5% 1986-2000 5TM
  Chris Miller 3.5% 1987-1999 3TM
  Boomer Esiason 3.5% 1984-1997 3TM
  Bill Kenney 3.5% 1980-1988 kan
  Brian Griese 3.5% 1998-2008 4TM
  Dave Brown 3.5% 1992-2001 2TM
93 Jim Everett 3.6% 1986-1997 3TM
  Kyle Boller 3.6% 2003-2011 3TM
  Kordell Stewart 3.6% 1995-2005 3TM
  Ken Anderson 3.6% 1971-1986 cin
  Chris Chandler 3.6% 1988-2004 7TM
98 Jim Kelly+ 3.7% 1986-1996 buf
  Roger Staubach+ 3.7% 1969-1979 dal
  Jake Plummer 3.7% 1997-2006 2TM
  Doug Williams 3.7% 1978-1989 2TM
  Jon Kitna 3.7% 1997-2011 4TM
  Rick Mirer 3.7% 1993-2003 5TM
  Derek Anderson 3.7% 2006-2017 3TM
  Dave Krieg 3.7% 1980-1998 6TM
  Billy Joe Tolliver 3.7% 1989-1999 5TM
107 Mark Sanchez 3.8% 2009-2016 3TM
  Joe Theismann 3.8% 1974-1985 was
  Rex Grossman 3.8% 2003-2012 3TM
  Jay Fiedler 3.8% 1995-2005 5TM
  Jay Schroeder 3.8% 1985-1994 4TM
112 Tim Couch 3.9% 1999-2003 cle
  Rodney Peete 3.9% 1989-2004 6TM
114 Bert Jones 4.0% 1973-1982 2TM
  Bobby Hebert 4.0% 1985-1996 2TM
  Ron Jaworski 4.0% 1974-1989 4TM
  Vinny Testaverde 4.0% 1987-2007 7TM
  Bill Munson 4.0% 1964-1979 5TM
  Gary Danielson 4.0% 1976-1988 2TM
120 Steve DeBerg 4.1% 1978-1998 6TM
  Trent Dilfer 4.1% 1994-2007 5TM
  Fran Tarkenton+ 4.1% 1961-1978 2TM
123 Steve Bartkowski 4.2% 1975-1986 2TM
  Mike Pagel 4.2% 1982-1993 3TM
  Jack Trudeau 4.2% 1986-1995 3TM
  Wade Wilson 4.2% 1981-1998 5TM
127 Dan Fouts+ 4.3% 1973-1987 sdg
  Tommy Kramer 4.3% 1977-1990 2TM
  Brian Sipe 4.3% 1974-1983 cle
130 Bart Starr+ 4.4% 1956-1971 gnb
  Sonny Jurgensen+ 4.4% 1957-1974 2TM
132 Danny White 4.5% 1976-1988 dal
  Jim Zorn 4.5% 1976-1987 3TM
  Greg Landry 4.5% 1968-1984 3TM
  Eric Hipple 4.5% 1980-1989 det
  Mike Tomczak 4.5% 1985-1999 4TM
137 Joe Ferguson 4.6% 1973-1990 4TM
138 Mike Livingston 4.7% 1968-1979 kan
139 Archie Manning 4.8% 1971-1984 3TM
  Don Meredith 4.8% 1960-1968 dal
141 Jim Hart 4.9% 1966-1984 2TM
  Johnny Unitas+ 4.9% 1956-1973 2TM
  Len Dawson+ 4.9% 1957-1975 3TM
  Billy Kilmer 4.9% 1961-1978 3TM
  Marc Wilson 4.9% 1980-1990 2TM
  Mark Malone 4.9% 1980-1989 3TM
  Craig Morton 4.9% 1965-1982 3TM
148 John Brodie 5.0% 1957-1973 sfo
  Bob Griese+ 5.0% 1967-1980 mia
150 Otto Graham+ 5.1% 1946-1955 cle
151 Frank Ryan 5.2% 1958-1970 3TM
152 Milt Plum 5.3% 1957-1969 4TM
  Dan Pastorini 5.3% 1971-1983 4TM
  Bill Nelsen 5.3% 1963-1972 2TM
  Daryle Lamonica 5.3% 1963-1974 2TM
  Billy Wade 5.3% 1954-1966 2TM
  Charley Johnson 5.3% 1961-1975 3TM
  Jim Plunkett 5.3% 1971-1986 3TM
159 Tom Flores 5.4% 1960-1969 3TM
  Terry Bradshaw+ 5.4% 1970-1983 pit
  Richard Todd 5.4% 1976-1985 2TM
162 Earl Morrall 5.5% 1956-1976 6TM
163 Vince Ferragamo 5.6% 1977-1986 3TM
  Y.A. Tittle+ 5.6% 1948-1964 3TM
165 John Hadl 5.7% 1962-1977 4TM
  Lynn Dickey 5.7% 1971-1985 2TM
167 Steve Grogan 5.8% 1975-1990 nwe
  Joe Namath+ 5.8% 1965-1977 2TM
169 Ken Stabler+ 5.9% 1970-1984 3TM
  Charlie Conerly 5.9% 1948-1961 nyg
  Norm Snead 5.9% 1961-1976 5TM
172 Jack Kemp 6.0% 1957-1969 3TM
  Mike Phipps 6.0% 1970-1981 2TM
174 Norm Van Brocklin+ 6.1% 1949-1960 2TM
175 Cotton Davidson 6.2% 1954-1968 3TM
176 Frankie Albert 6.3% 1946-1952 sfo
177 Bobby Layne+ 6.6% 1948-1962 4TM
  Tobin Rote 6.6% 1950-1966 4TM
  Babe Parilli 6.6% 1952-1969 5TM
180 Sammy Baugh+ 6.8% 1937-1952 was
181 George Blanda+ 6.9% 1949-1975 4TM
  Ed Brown 6.9% 1954-1965 3TM
183 Frank Tripucka 7.1% 1949-1963 4TM
184 Sid Luckman+ 7.6% 1939-1950 chi
185 Eddie LeBaron 7.9% 1952-1963 2TM
  Bob Waterfield+ 7.9% 1945-1952 ram
 
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Ultimately TDs are a team stat.  The OCs and offenses job is not to pad a specific WRs stats but to make the best of every red zone opportunity.  The team did a bad job of that last year and needs to improve significantly this season.  Giving the weapons this team has along with Sark having a year under his belt should certainly help drive such improvement.

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3 hours ago, Vandy said:

LOL ....according to You he doesn’t “know how to beat double coverage” yet this year he’s gonna magically “gets 10-12”....

It’s not magic Vandy. I said he switched up his training this offseason. And he’s never been called out on it so publicly before. He also never held out before so he has to show he’s worth it in kind of a “contract yr”. Julio is a competitor and he’ll try to prove ppl wrong. 

1 hour ago, RING OF HONOR said:

You rip him apart....and then build him up with praise and promise of a good year...

You got that passive aggression thing down brother...

That’s not what passive aggressive is brotha. I didn’t rip him apart. I pointed out an observation. And I made a prediction that I hope comes true. I understand he’s top 3 wrs in the league but his lack of rz production is not ripping him apart, it’s a fair criticism. 

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3 hours ago, TrueFalcon316 said:

Alot blame goes to Julio but really the blame should go to Matt Ryan you kno how many times Julio had his man beat but Matt underthrown him that made Julio had to come back to the ball and slow down to catch the ball? Perfect example last week in the preseason Marvin Hall had a easy TD but Ryan underthrown him he had to slow down and wait for the ball if that was Brady, Rodgers or Brees that would've been a TD yall blaming the wrong player 

No more frequently than Julio dropping a ball he shouldnt or failing to keep his feet after a catch. 

This isnt a "blame one or the other" situation. This is people not understanding the data and overreacting to it based on false presumptions. 

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15 hours ago, TrueFalcon316 said:

Julio is going to go off this year mark my words working out wit TO this off-season is going to pay off. 

Agreed, although I think he will improve his TD's, his catches might not go up.  There are only so many balls, and with the addition of Ridley, improved TE play, both backs, etc., he may not get as many touches.

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I think a lot of his total TDs will have to do with the emergence of Ridley.  If Ridley can take the top off of the defense, then it will give Julio more Dig and Post routes on the backside.  We've witnessed some of Julio's best catch and runs when going across the middle (Green Bay and Panthers game).  I also hope we get back to putting Julio in motion more so that he and Matt both can see the coverage before the snap.

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5 hours ago, kschreck said:

Ultimately TDs are a team stat.  The OCs and offenses job is not to pad a specific WRs stats but to make the best of every red zone opportunity.  The team did a bad job of that last year and needs to improve significantly this season.  Giving the weapons this team has along with Sark having a year under his belt should certainly help drive such improvement.

This ^^^^^^^^^^^^

2 hours ago, DoYouSeeWhatHappensLarry said:

No more frequently than Julio dropping a ball he shouldnt or failing to keep his feet after a catch. 

This isnt a "blame one or the other" situation. This is people not understanding the data and overreacting to it based on false presumptions. 

And this ^^^^^^^^^^

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19 hours ago, KingBlackkDawgg said:

Disagree!  Matt Ryan is not accurate and he throws lots of INTs.  Matt Ryan always look for Julio everyone knows who he will be throwing to.  The OC does not have a clue about running a pro offense.  I think Julio will suffer for these reasons.  I think his numbers will be the same or worst actually.  The Superbowl season Ryan threw to all WRs and TEs that's when he confused all teams they played.  I do want him to succeed.  I want the entire team to be outstanding and I will be rooting all the way.  For what I have seen in the preseason I just don't think the offense will be that stellar.  They will score points but I think its not aggressive enough.  I could be wrong actually I hope I am wrong!

Cmon ma:shrug:

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3 hours ago, DoYouSeeWhatHappensLarry said:

No more frequently than Julio dropping a ball he shouldnt or failing to keep his feet after a catch. 

This isnt a "blame one or the other" situation. This is people not understanding the data and overreacting to it based on false presumptions. 

Julio had only 5 drops last year people just remember the two big drops against eagles

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Hummm, I’m not convinced it will be, but I hope so...I’m thinking 20 mil per year will cause Sark to look for CR and the TE’s more, Also look for more of the backs out of the backfield! 

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8 minutes ago, TrueFalcon316 said:

Julio had only 5 drops last year people just remember the two big drops against eagles

I think you're missing another drop in there. In the end zone. Which could have helped win another game.  

And FWIW, I dont really care about drops to the extent that they're largely random events which dont really affect how I value any given player. 

I've said this many many times on this board: Julio's "TD production" prior to 2017 was greater than expectation would suggest based upon his opportunities. In 2017, he had a very very low number of TDs relative to his expected TDs. Which strongly suggests "positive" regression toward expectation. Through one year, Sark and Matt seem focused on giving Julio many opportunities in the red zone. If that continues, its highly likely that his TD numbers will increase accordingly. 

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20 hours ago, I Even Bleed Red said:

I've been critical of Julio of his performance in the RZ. I think he doesn't know how to beat double coverage in there. As I've been saying, the fact still remains...Julio NoEndzone Jones. He's had ONE year of double digit TDs (2012- 6 yrs ago) and in the last TWO yrs combined he's had 9 TDs (NOT a double digit).

This yr I think he gets 10-12. Agree or disagree? And why?

This is essentially a contract year for Julio. After seeing the deal ODB Jr. got, I guarantee you Julio gonna ball out this year. Watch!

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