Bobby.Digital 4,150 Posted July 3, 2018 Share Posted July 3, 2018 (edited) Keep Matt CLEAN!! Edited July 3, 2018 by Bobby.Digital Quote Link to post Share on other sites
robertap 882 Posted July 3, 2018 Share Posted July 3, 2018 This is interesting, but would be more interesting with the other 35%, where the pocket is not clean. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
1989Fan 16,147 Posted July 3, 2018 Share Posted July 3, 2018 Garrapolo is da future. of all QBs will a full sample size, Ryan is not only first in QB rating, but also YPA. That’s impressive. possibly the most underrated player in the NFL (yes even though he got MVP, which many were reluctant to acknowledge and are now quick to call a fluke season) Quote Link to post Share on other sites
takeitdown 4,239 Posted July 3, 2018 Share Posted July 3, 2018 It makes you wonder what his career would have looked like playing with 2 good pass protection guards the whole time. We've always had run blocking guards, and in general haven't had a solid OL interior (over the last decade). That's always the part I want strong. If your C G C is strong...it provides a great platform for the run and the pass. And it's particularly important if you have a pocket QB. Saints and Pats used to be great at keeping focus on that. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Peyton 21,045 Posted July 3, 2018 Share Posted July 3, 2018 So........Tom Brady is the 14th best QB in the league when in a clean pocket. The guy must have a perfect passer rating when the pocket isn't clean then. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
takeitdown 4,239 Posted July 3, 2018 Share Posted July 3, 2018 2 minutes ago, Peyton said: So........Tom Brady is the 14th best QB in the league when in a clean pocket. The guy must have a perfect passer rating when the pocket isn't clean then. Yeah that number stood out to me as well. Especially since he has a clean pocket more than most QBs in the games I've watched. I always think "sure with that time...." I would have expected his numbers to be 110 QB rating when clean, 70 when pressured. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
McMVP 547 Posted July 3, 2018 Share Posted July 3, 2018 2 minutes ago, Peyton said: So........Tom Brady is the 14th best QB in the league when in a clean pocket. The guy must have a perfect passer rating when the pocket isn't clean then. Yeah there is something definitely wrong with this list. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Peyton 21,045 Posted July 3, 2018 Share Posted July 3, 2018 1 minute ago, takeitdown said: Yeah that number stood out to me as well. Especially since he has a clean pocket more than most QBs in the games I've watched. I always think "sure with that time...." His passer rating over the last three years is better than 105 and he has 96 TDs to 17 INTs. So....if he is just an 89.9 guy with a clean pocket, maybe teams shouldn't rush him at all. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
since68andcounting 3,645 Posted July 3, 2018 Share Posted July 3, 2018 8 minutes ago, Peyton said: His passer rating over the last three years is better than 105 and he has 96 TDs to 17 INTs. So....if he is just an 89.9 guy with a clean pocket, maybe teams shouldn't rush him at all. That would definitely be the logical assumption based on the numbers. 3 man rush, 8 covering a man/zone combination would seem to be the best strategy for Brady. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
1989Fan 16,147 Posted July 3, 2018 Share Posted July 3, 2018 44 minutes ago, McMVP said: Yeah there is something definitely wrong with this list. I think Deshaun Watson’s agent is the author. oh and Cutler outplayed Wentz when the team kept him clean lol. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
takeitdown 4,239 Posted July 3, 2018 Share Posted July 3, 2018 54 minutes ago, Peyton said: His passer rating over the last three years is better than 105 and he has 96 TDs to 17 INTs. So....if he is just an 89.9 guy with a clean pocket, maybe teams shouldn't rush him at all. Exactly. The numbers are crazy. Would like to see how these jibe with his numbers earlier in his career. He used to have more trouble with pressure, particularly interior pressure...I wonder if all the option routes now make it so he's unbeatable with the blitz, and blitz numbers are what inflate his "unclean pocket" numbers. Impossible to tell without more data, but that would be my first guess. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
takeitdown 4,239 Posted July 3, 2018 Share Posted July 3, 2018 https://touchdownwire.usatoday.com/2017/12/27/new-england-patriots-tom-brady-is-only-elite-qb-when-pressured-this-season/ https://nesn.com/2017/11/tom-brady-has-been-nfls-best-qb-when-pressured-and-its-not-even-close/ I guess this would speak to Brady's numbers in 17 at least. He's 110, while most other top QBs are in the 50's when pressured. I still wonder how many are blitz. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Peyton 21,045 Posted July 3, 2018 Share Posted July 3, 2018 16 minutes ago, 1989Fan said: I think Deshaun Watson’s agent is the author. oh and Cutler outplayed Wentz when the team kept him clean lol. It's no surprise to see Watson at the top. Small sample size, dude threw 19 TDs in 6 games. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
McMVP 547 Posted July 3, 2018 Share Posted July 3, 2018 On 7/3/2018 at 2:17 PM, takeitdown said: Exactly. The numbers are crazy. Would like to see how these jibe with his numbers earlier in his career. He used to have more trouble with pressure, particularly interior pressure...I wonder if all the option routes now make it so he's unbeatable with the blitz, and blitz numbers are what inflate his "unclean pocket" numbers. Impossible to tell without more data, but that would be my first guess. The problem is it's an entirely subjective process to determine what a clean pocket is for this list. Is it automatically not a clean pocket if the defense blitzed? That wouldn't make sense since a blitz can be picked up and the pocket kept clean. I don't have any doubt that if Brady, Rodgers, Ryan (or any vet QB) asked the person to go through all the pockets deemed as 'clean' or 'unclean', they would disagree with a lot of the subjective opinions the person that created this list made. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
takeitdown 4,239 Posted July 3, 2018 Share Posted July 3, 2018 26 minutes ago, McMVP said: The problem is it's an entirely subjective process to determine what a clean pocket is for this list. Is it automatically not a clean pocket if the defense blitzed? That wouldn't make sense since a blitz can be picked up and the pocket kept clean. I don't have any doubt that if Brady, Rodgers, Ryan (or any vet QB) asked the person to go through all the pockets this person deemed as 'clean' or 'unclean', they would disagree with a lot of the subjective opinions the person that this list made. Agreed. And the bigger factor, which I never see included in these is "time to unclean pocket, or time to pressure." A guy like Roethlisberger gets pressured often, but it's because he holds the ball for 4 seconds a lot. While a guy like Ryan may get pressured less often, but he has to get rid of the ball in 2.4 seconds. The latter guy is getting a lot more "pressure affecting his gameplan" while the former guy looks like he's actually getting pressure. When your gameplan is completely altered to take away all deep throws or double moves because the time for the D to get home is always under 3 seconds...sure, you may not see many pressures, but your job as a QB is much more difficult, and your throwing windows are going to be tighter because the D knows it. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
2_legit_2_legit_2_quit 2,055 Posted July 5, 2018 Share Posted July 5, 2018 (edited) I'm surprised Brady is so far down the list. Dude looks like he never gets touched. Edited July 5, 2018 by 2_legit_2_legit_2_quit Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Wardog357 2,202 Posted July 5, 2018 Share Posted July 5, 2018 When we quit shooting ourselves in the foot. We have the team and talent, just need to clean things up some and guys quit dropping ints. and passes. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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