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45 minutes ago, McMVP said:

It was a tough loss for you guys for sure.  My boys came out on the winning side that day, but I still feel your pain.  Been through it many times.  

Good to see you will Wentz ready for week 1. Best of luck to you guys because I really honestly think the Eagles are going to have their hands full against us. Either way I am expecting a close game, decided by 3 points or less.

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2 hours ago, octoslash said:

Not to hijack this but did y'all see Japan just pull the soccer equivalent of 28-3? 

They were up 2-0 with under 20 min left and just lost 2-3 to Belgium in the final 15 seconds of extra time.  

Sorry...I just couldn't help but (of course) think about the Falcons. 

Urgent Message to Japanese Imperial Soccer Team:

Falcons ~ NEVER GO FULL FALCONS!  :lol:

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17 hours ago, The Falcon Jedi Knight said:

Good to see you will Wentz ready for week 1. Best of luck to you guys because I really honestly think the Eagles are going to have their hands full against us. Either way I am expecting a close game, decided by 3 points or less.

I agree that the Eagles will have their hands full vs Atlanta.  It's a completely different experience for them going into a season as defending champs.  I'm worried about them keeping their mental edge...that is what fueled them last season.

As for Wentz, all reports say he is doing very well with his recovery.  I still hope they take their time with him.  I wouldn't be at all opposed to starting Foles until he is all the way back.  I don't care if they start the season off slow in the win/loss department.  Just don't rush Wentz back.

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On 7/1/2018 at 3:19 PM, gazoo said:

The Falcons have a glaring advantage against the Eagles I have been talking about for a few weeks now. It was only yesterday I saw someone (The Falcoholic) address this advantage.   

THE OFFENSE

The Eagles had a LOT of turnover this offseason not just in key players, but also in losing their Offensive Coordinator Frank Reich and QB Coach John DeFilippo who was a key in development of Carson Wentz. They also have many key contributors coming back from injury that will be starting game 1 that weren't playing late last year that will need to shake some rust off.

We Falcon fans are quite aware of what can happen when you lose your offensive coordinator. There is an adjustment period, sometimes for a full season. It is well known the Eagles high power offense last year was a result of heavy input from the HC, OC and QB. Yes, the Eagles did promote their WR coach to OC and promoted the inexperienced Press Taylor as QB coach who will be in charge of continuing the development of Wentz. Will this be a seamless transition?  I would expect growing pains to last at minimum early in the regular season.

When you consider the above, you also have to consider the Eagles lost their starting RB Blount, starting WR Torrey Smith, TE's  Trey Burton (300 snaps, excellent red zone TE , 5 TDs) and Brent Celek (465 snaps and an awesome blocking TE), their starting LT hasn't played in a game since October 2017, their starting QB will not have played in a real game for 9 months when we play them. Will Wentz be a little protective of his knee coming back from an ACL and not play wide open which is what made him so good?  While stud receiving TE Ertz comes back, just changing out those two major contributing TEs and replacing with a draft pick is going to restrict/weaken a lot of the formations they ran last year while the new TE learns the game. TEs play a big role in Eagles run offense. Any Falcon fan should know it takes most TEs a full season just to learn the offense. 

THE DEFENSE

Eagles just found out one of their best and key defensive players Nigel Bradham is out for Falcons game. This would be like Falcons losing Deion Jones, its a huge loss. Then Eagles lost star DE Vinny Curry, massive rotating run stuffing DT Beau Allen, they'll be without starting DT Timmy Jernigan to injury, they lost starting CB Patrick Robinson and LB Mychal Kendricks.  The Eagles best pass rusher from last year Brandon Graham will be coming off surgery.  

Sure, the Eagles plugged some holes with potentially better players, but ALL Falcon fans should know by now you are always rolling the dice when you bring in high priced FAs.  Ngata at 34 years old has missed a lot of games the last 4 seasons including 9 last year.  And who is to say Michael Bennett will fit in the Eagles locker room? Big name, high priced, outspoken free agents can seriously alter team chemistry.

CONCLUSION

I still expect Eagles to be one of the better NFC teams, but not necessarily right out of the gate. You can't just assume we are playing the exact same team we saw win the Super Bowl. It has had an awful lot of change in so many places they will probably get off to a rocky start, especially playing a high power team like the Falcons.  The Falcons will be going to Philly with few changes from last year, most likely a much better version due to young defense taking another step. 

I believe the Falcons have a better than 50% chance of pulling out a win in game 1. 

 

 

 

 

 

also cut Worley for assault charge. And our boy worrilow, who would have seen snaps is out for the season with injury.

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21 hours ago, ATLSlobberKnockers said:

also cut Worley for assault charge. And our boy worrilow, who would have seen snaps is out for the season with injury.

Linebacker is going to be extremely thin for them coming into game. We might see a lot of movement from Tevin Coleman coming out of backfield and lining up wide in some 2 TE sets. Linebackers won’t know WTF we are going to run with that personnel group.  Their CB sistuation might be thin as well allowing for some 3 WR sets.

Fortunately ( for the Eagles) they will be missing Worrilow. Can you imagine him having to shift over the line in man coverage, to cover Coleman in pass protection? :lol:

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On 7/1/2018 at 3:19 PM, gazoo said:

The Falcons have a glaring advantage against the Eagles I have been talking about for a few weeks now. It was only yesterday I saw someone (The Falcoholic) address this advantage.   

THE OFFENSE

The Eagles had a LOT of turnover this offseason not just in key players, but also in losing their Offensive Coordinator Frank Reich and QB Coach John DeFilippo who was a key in development of Carson Wentz. They also have many key contributors coming back from injury that will be starting game 1 that weren't playing late last year that will need to shake some rust off.

We Falcon fans are quite aware of what can happen when you lose your offensive coordinator. There is an adjustment period, sometimes for a full season. It is well known the Eagles high power offense last year was a result of heavy input from the HC, OC and QB. Yes, the Eagles did promote their WR coach to OC and promoted the inexperienced Press Taylor as QB coach who will be in charge of continuing the development of Wentz. Will this be a seamless transition?  I would expect growing pains to last at minimum early in the regular season.

When you consider the above, you also have to consider the Eagles lost their starting RB Blount, starting WR Torrey Smith, TE's  Trey Burton (300 snaps, excellent red zone TE , 5 TDs) and Brent Celek (465 snaps and an awesome blocking TE), their starting LT hasn't played in a game since October 2017, their starting QB will not have played in a real game for 9 months when we play them. Will Wentz be a little protective of his knee coming back from an ACL and not play wide open which is what made him so good?  While stud receiving TE Ertz comes back, just changing out those two major contributing TEs and replacing with a draft pick is going to restrict/weaken a lot of the formations they ran last year while the new TE learns the game. TEs play a big role in Eagles run offense. Any Falcon fan should know it takes most TEs a full season just to learn the offense. 

THE DEFENSE

Eagles just found out one of their best and key defensive players Nigel Bradham is out for Falcons game. This would be like Falcons losing Deion Jones, its a huge loss. Then Eagles lost star DE Vinny Curry, massive rotating run stuffing DT Beau Allen, they'll be without starting DT Timmy Jernigan to injury, they lost starting CB Patrick Robinson and LB Mychal Kendricks.  The Eagles best pass rusher from last year Brandon Graham will be coming off surgery.  

Sure, the Eagles plugged some holes with potentially better players, but ALL Falcon fans should know by now you are always rolling the dice when you bring in high priced FAs.  Ngata at 34 years old has missed a lot of games the last 4 seasons including 9 last year.  And who is to say Michael Bennett will fit in the Eagles locker room? Big name, high priced, outspoken free agents can seriously alter team chemistry.

CONCLUSION

I still expect Eagles to be one of the better NFC teams, but not necessarily right out of the gate. You can't just assume we are playing the exact same team we saw win the Super Bowl. It has had an awful lot of change in so many places they will probably get off to a rocky start, especially playing a high power team like the Falcons.  The Falcons will be going to Philly with few changes from last year, most likely a much better version due to young defense taking another step. 

I believe the Falcons have a better than 50% chance of pulling out a win in game 1. 

 

 

 

 

 

Wentz is back...that negates all your logic. The experts have spoken...

Jesting aside, I think the Falcons will win because I think the Falcons defense will be elite this season and the offense has to be better. I'll just say it, the Falcons are the more talented and better team. 

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2 hours ago, falcndave said:

Wentz is back...that negates all your logic. The experts have spoken...

Jesting aside, I think the Falcons will win because I think the Falcons defense will be elite this season and the offense has to be better. I'll just say it, the Falcons are the more talented and better team. 

Falcons defense should be clicking on all cylinders first game of season. I don’t think you could say that about Eagles offense or defense with all the changes.

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14 hours ago, gazoo said:

Falcons defense should be clicking on all cylinders first game of season. I don’t think you could say that about Eagles offense or defense with all the changes.

I don't think the Falcons defense has done that with Quinn.  It usually takes them a bit before the really come together.... at least that's been the case since Quinn has been here.

Even though the Eagles lost the coaches from the offensive side of the ball they are still a well coached team.  They are going to be a tough out in any case and the last 2 years have shown the Falcons don't match up well with them up front.

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7 hours ago, Sun Tzu 7 said:

I don't think the Falcons defense has done that with Quinn.  It usually takes them a bit before the really come together.... at least that's been the case since Quinn has been here.

Even though the Eagles lost the coaches from the offensive side of the ball they are still a well coached team.  They are going to be a tough out in any case and the last 2 years have shown the Falcons don't match up well with them up front.

Our defense started really clicking second half of year, especially at end of year and playoffs. This is the 1st year we aren’t adding a bunch of rookies and 2nd year players coming back.

 I don’t think it’s a fair comparison  to suggest because when we were in the middle of building our defense infusing it with tons of young players the first 2 years and we didn’t always shoot out of a rocket game 1 the following year, that this year will be same ole same ole.  

Most everyone who was there in playoffs playing at a high level last year will be there game 1 and most key contributors will have been here at least 2 to 3 previous seasons . That’s a big difference from previous years.

I think Eagles May be walking into a buzzsaw given all their new offensive pieces, new offensive coordinator, new QB coach, QB who blew out a knee com8mg back for first real game in 9 months, new runn8ng back, two new TEs that both lost were big contributors in running game and red zone offense, LT back from being out for season, new starting WR....that’s a lot of changes.

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13 hours ago, gazoo said:

Our defense started really clicking second half of year, especially at end of year and playoffs. This is the 1st year we aren’t adding a bunch of rookies and 2nd year players coming back.

 I don’t think it’s a fair comparison  to suggest because when we were in the middle of building our defense infusing it with tons of young players the first 2 years and we didn’t always shoot out of a rocket game 1 the following year, that this year will be same ole same ole.  

Most everyone who was there in playoffs playing at a high level last year will be there game 1 and most key contributors will have been here at least 2 to 3 previous seasons . That’s a big difference from previous years.

I think Eagles May be walking into a buzzsaw given all their new offensive pieces, new offensive coordinator, new QB coach, QB who blew out a knee com8mg back for first real game in 9 months, new runn8ng back, two new TEs that both lost were big contributors in running game and red zone offense, LT back from being out for season, new starting WR....that’s a lot of changes.

There are some changes, but Doug has always been the OC/HC.  If they had lost their play-caller, I would agree more with you on this....but it's still Doug's offense.

QB - Yes, big question mark there.  No denying it.  Wentz will only be 9 months removed from a major injury.  It's why I don't even wish for him to start.  I suppose there's always the chance he's the next AP with his injury recovery, but that was more of an outlier case than reality.  

New QB coach - hard to really say how big this is.  Wentz enjoyed DeFilippo for his first two seasons, which are probably the most important years for a QB.  Wentz is a sponge for information and I don't think he is likely to forget any of the things he's already learned.  But yes, DeFilippo was a **** of a coach...will be interesting to see how he does with Cousins as the OC.

New WR - Torrey Smith had 36 catches for 430 yards and 2 TDs.  His replacement (Wallace) had 52 catches for 748 yards and 4 TDs.  Wallace is a couple years older, but has been more productive.  Smith accounted for just 10% of the Eagles receiving yards, and just 5% of their receiving TDs.  If they were replacing a major contributor, this would be more of a question mark.  One could easily argue that they upgraded here...even if only for one season.

LT - another big one on my opinion.  I love Peters...lock for the HoF.  But he is no spring chicken and coming off a major injury.  I have to think this is his last season.  Big V played well in his place, but nowhere near the level of a healthy Peters.

TE - they upgraded in talent here, but they also got younger.  Who knows how long it will take them to fit in.  But again, the new guys at the position are not replacing the main guy...Ertz is still there.

I still think their biggest challenge as a team will be keeping their mental edge.  Complacency kills.  I don't know that they will be that way...but it's something they will have to guard against.  That's where coaching and player leadership will come in.

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6 hours ago, McMVP said:

There are some changes, but Doug has always been the OC/HC.  If they had lost their play-caller, I would agree more with you on this....but it's still Doug's offense.

QB - Yes, big question mark there.  No denying it.  Wentz will only be 9 months removed from a major injury.  It's why I don't even wish for him to start.  I suppose there's always the chance he's the next AP with his injury recovery, but that was more of an outlier case than reality.  

New QB coach - hard to really say how big this is.  Wentz enjoyed DeFilippo for his first two seasons, which are probably the most important years for a QB.  Wentz is a sponge for information and I don't think he is likely to forget any of the things he's already learned.  But yes, DeFilippo was a **** of a coach...will be interesting to see how he does with Cousins as the OC.

New WR - Torrey Smith had 36 catches for 430 yards and 2 TDs.  His replacement (Wallace) had 52 catches for 748 yards and 4 TDs.  Wallace is a couple years older, but has been more productive.  Smith accounted for just 10% of the Eagles receiving yards, and just 5% of their receiving TDs.  If they were replacing a major contributor, this would be more of a question mark.  One could easily argue that they upgraded here...even if only for one season.

LT - another big one on my opinion.  I love Peters...lock for the HoF.  But he is no spring chicken and coming off a major injury.  I have to think this is his last season.  Big V played well in his place, but nowhere near the level of a healthy Peters.

TE - they upgraded in talent here, but they also got younger.  Who knows how long it will take them to fit in.  But again, the new guys at the position are not replacing the main guy...Ertz is still there.

I still think their biggest challenge as a team will be keeping their mental edge.  Complacency kills.  I don't know that they will be that way...but it's something they will have to guard against.  That's where coaching and player leadership will come in.

Thanks for posting the insider scoop on my comments McMVP.  I think we see it pretty close to the same way as far as, it should all get up and running smoothly sooner than later with the changes and playing at peak level in a relatively brief period of time. I don't see threatening changes that could tank the offense or anything like that.

I'm just not thinking the wheels will all be greased and running smoothly by game 1 for you. Just replacing those two TEs who played a lot of snaps (maybe 750 collectively) and contributed in their own ways is a big change. I know Ertz will be back, but those two other TEs did a lot of the little things. The new TEs are going to have to learn the running and passing game, even a vet can have an adjustment period, but a rookie has his head filled.  Combine that with the loss of your starting running back, a slightly rusty LT and there's a lot of work for the running game to get into sync. Until it gets in sync it can cause penalties and blown plays and in the Falcons game that could be costly. Possibly a little rust or hesitation for QB to shake off in 1st real game back in 9 months as well. In short, nothing major, but collectively a lot of stuff to work through.

I see a little bit of that over on other side of ball as well. There will be a lot of new faces lining up, not necessarily lesser pieces, and in some cases more talented ones, but getting everyone on the same exact page against a versatile offense like we have can also cause blown plays and penalties that you wont see as the guys gel.

In my view, this will be a game where neither side will be able to withstand too many lost opportunities.

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For the city of Atlanta, the fans of the Falcons, players and coaches, beating the Philadelphia Eagles is easily atop their priorities after last year’s playoff loss. Today, I’m breaking down the aspects of our emotional loss and how we can improve on that and beat the Eagles week one.

Why We Lost: Play Calling

Yes, I am going to add to the heat of Steve Sarkisian. I simply don’t believe he watched any film leading up to the game, as tough as that sounds.

If he had, he would’ve abused Philadelphia’s overly aggressive secondary play, lack of defense against “picks” or “rubs” in their own man coverage, and simply would’ve used his personnel’s explosiveness on offense.

To begin, when the Seattle Seahawks went up against the Eagles defense earlier in the year, 25 percent of their play call revolved around empty formations and rubs. It worked. They shattered the man coverage of the Eagles and won 24-10. How is it that the Falcons couldn’t manage to put up more than ten points? If you think the Seahawks have a better offense than Atlanta does, you’re crazy.

For crying out loud, Kyle Shanahan’s 49er offense put up near 50 points on the Jacksonville Jaguars, who by the way are debatably the best defense in the league. Their starting wide receiver was Marquise Goodwin, who has never had a 1,000 yard season, and their starting quarterback had played 5 games in that system. The offense was holistically unestablished.

Atlanta has no excuse for not putting up at least twice the amount they had. Because of Philly’s overly-aggressive play, a rub route would have freed up our explosive assets on offense for huge gains. Of Atlanta’s five uses of an empty formation against Philly, the single rub use resulted in a 17 yard gain by Mohamed Sanu. The team’s five empty formations averaged a spectacular 9.6 YPA. Without a doubt, these rub concepts are the biggest weak link in the Eagles defense, yet somehow, Sark couldn’t figure it out.

https://www.thefalcoholic.com/2018/7/6/17538222/why-the-falcons-lost-to-the-eagles-and-how-they-can-win-in-week-1

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On 7/4/2018 at 9:27 PM, falcndave said:

Wentz is back...that negates all your logic. The experts have spoken...

Jesting aside, I think the Falcons will win because I think the Falcons defense will be elite this season and the offense has to be better. I'll just say it, the Falcons are the more talented and better team. 

And the pressure is going to be all on them, which is another bonus for us.

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3 hours ago, Tim Mazetti said:

For the city of Atlanta, the fans of the Falcons, players and coaches, beating the Philadelphia Eagles is easily atop their priorities after last year’s playoff loss. Today, I’m breaking down the aspects of our emotional loss and how we can improve on that and beat the Eagles week one.

Why We Lost: Play Calling

Yes, I am going to add to the heat of Steve Sarkisian. I simply don’t believe he watched any film leading up to the game, as tough as that sounds.

If he had, he would’ve abused Philadelphia’s overly aggressive secondary play, lack of defense against “picks” or “rubs” in their own man coverage, and simply would’ve used his personnel’s explosiveness on offense.

To begin, when the Seattle Seahawks went up against the Eagles defense earlier in the year, 25 percent of their play call revolved around empty formations and rubs. It worked. They shattered the man coverage of the Eagles and won 24-10. How is it that the Falcons couldn’t manage to put up more than ten points? If you think the Seahawks have a better offense than Atlanta does, you’re crazy.

For crying out loud, Kyle Shanahan’s 49er offense put up near 50 points on the Jacksonville Jaguars, who by the way are debatably the best defense in the league. Their starting wide receiver was Marquise Goodwin, who has never had a 1,000 yard season, and their starting quarterback had played 5 games in that system. The offense was holistically unestablished.

Atlanta has no excuse for not putting up at least twice the amount they had. Because of Philly’s overly-aggressive play, a rub route would have freed up our explosive assets on offense for huge gains. Of Atlanta’s five uses of an empty formation against Philly, the single rub use resulted in a 17 yard gain by Mohamed Sanu. The team’s five empty formations averaged a spectacular 9.6 YPA. Without a doubt, these rub concepts are the biggest weak link in the Eagles defense, yet somehow, Sark couldn’t figure it out.

https://www.thefalcoholic.com/2018/7/6/17538222/why-the-falcons-lost-to-the-eagles-and-how-they-can-win-in-week-1

Agree with this issue for the Eagles game last year.  

 

The Eagles offense had plays designed for specific critical situations that when they really needed a play, they were able to get one. With the he Falcons offense, it seemed every time we really needed a play we would run right into the teeth of their defense.  I recall us running the ball and having 9 of the 11 defenders all over on the side we ran it to thinking “are they reading our freaking signs?”  We seemed to have no game plan at all, Eagles had us figured out. 

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1 minute ago, gazoo said:

Agree with this issue for the Eagles game last year.  

 

The Eagles offense had plays designed for specific critical situations that when they really needed a play, they were able to get one. With the he Falcons offense, it seemed every time we really needed a play we would run right into the teeth of their defense.  I recall us running the ball and having 9 of the 11 defenders all over on the side we ran it to thinking “are they reading our freaking signs?”  We seemed to have no game plan at all, Eagles had us figured out. 

The game was weird for me too.

I am still not convinced some of these high profile games are not fixed.

I have become more of a UGA fan, especially after that great signing they had.

I have been watching NFL games with a critical eye for years. Not convinced some are not fixed/

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14 hours ago, PokerSteve said:

And the pressure is going to be all on them, which is another bonus for us.

Maybe. You could argue the pressure is on the Falcons not to "flop" their road rematch like they did vs. the Patriots last season: "They are who we thought they were." Except, the Falcons didn't wiggle off the hook. 

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I think we can win this game handily. A lot of players for the Eagles had great postseasons. Foles obviously is a big one that I expect to regress quite quickly back to the mean, which is an inaccurate short range passer. He's a less accurate version of Alex Smith. The RPOs were rolled out at the perfect time to hide Foles' flaws enough to work for three games, two of which had Bye weeks before them. Does that happen week one? Idk but he definitely is being severely overhyped based on his last three games vs his entire career. 

I'm still not impressed by their WR corps. We matched up well the last time and I think we match up even better this time with a fully healthy and confident Tru and the addition of Oliver. That puts more pressure on them. We got bullied in the trenches but we should be fully healthy and the addition of Senat should help a lot on the inside. 

As for their defense, they were good last year, but without Bradham, there is nothing in the middle of the field. They have good WRs, but a healthy WR corps with the addition of Ridley is a different group than they saw in January. I think their back seven can be had because of the weak LBs, which will have to be compensated for. Jalen Mills had a drastic improvement year two but I think he overachieved, same with PRobinson, who's gone now. Sidney Jones is essentially a rookie, so who knows. Ronald Darby is good, but none of them can hang with Julio without safety help. 

I think it comes down to the coaches honestly. Can Sark and Manuel come up with gameplans that can exploit the Eagles weaknesses and trust their players to just be better?  

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