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From SI.com - Jeremy Woo:

https://www.si.com/nba/2018/06/20/nba-draft-trade-rumors-2018-luka-doncic-hawks-grizzlies-mavericks

NBA Draft Dispatch: Latest Trade Rumors and Intel on Luka Doncic, the Hawks and More

By JEREMY WOO 

June 20, 2018

The final 24 hours before the NBA draft is a tumultuous time for prospects, teams and fans alike, with individual workouts all but wrapped up, trade talks evolving from ideas to concrete possibilities, and the shape of the first round becoming clearer. It’s arguably the most hectic stretch of the entire league calendar as teams purposefully put out information to control the public conversation and create confusing but advantageous situations. Determining what’s what is a challenge for everyone. 

On the eve of the draft, key storylines have emerged via reports and leaguewide chatter, much of them steeped in speculation and keeping a wide range of scenarios in play. Per usual, there has been no shortage of trade talks, and while the top of the draft has begun to take shape, Atlanta’s decision at No. 3 has come to the forefront as a focal point of this draft. Everything else trickles down from there. Given the available information, let’s sift through what we know as of Wednesday morning.

1. The growing belief among rival teams is that the Kings are likely to stay put and select Marvin Bagley at No. 2. While Sacramento has explored trading down, leveraging the pick just to move down a few spots in a draft where any of the top five or six players could end up providing a substantial return—coupled with the fact that the Hawks have been active shoppers one pick below them—offers reason for skepticism. Bagley is the only top prospect to work out for Sacramento, although the team recently met with Luka Doncic in Spain and attended Michael Porter’s pro day. It seems Bagley wants to be drafted as high as possible, rather than target a certain team, and that has put him in good position here. He’s viewed as a safe choice for the Kings, and this is a pick they can’t afford to blow.

2. The present sense that Sacramento will go with Bagley suggests that Atlanta effectively now sits in the driver’s seat atop the draft at No. 3. As we alluded to to in yesterday’s mock draft, the Hawks, who own picks 3, 19, 30 and 34, have been all over the trade market in scenarios that include the possibility trading down from No. 3, as well as packaging their other picks to grab an additional late lottery pick. The sense entering this week had been that Atlanta was conflicted about the possibility of drafting Doncic. Another layer was added as ESPN reported Tuesday night that the Hawks had thrust Doncic into real consideration for the pick. He’s certainly quite worthy if they opt to go that direction, but Jaren Jackson is thought by rival teams to remain very much in play as well.

3. Given that the Grizzlies are generally viewed as legitimate Doncic suitors at No. 4, and that the Mavericks are also thought to covet Doncic at No. 5, it’s worth noting that the Hawks are in a position of strength atop the draft. There is speculation making the rounds that Atlanta could be leveraging interest in Doncic, hoping to create a better trade market for their pick. If the Kings go with Bagley, the Hawks in essence hold the keys to Doncic, who could be an enticing target for teams all over the league, and it’s logical to entertain all of their options before settling on a decision. 

4. If Memphis is indeed set on Doncic, that makes Dallas a predictable suitor in discussions with Atlanta. While they presently have little of substance to offer in trades, they do have cap space. As we reported Wednesday, the Hawks are known to be one of many teams attempting to move unwanted salary, with Dennis Schröder (signed through 2021 for $46.5 million) and Kent Bazemore (upward of $37 million through 2020) known to be available. Given the level of financial commitment required, actually dealing either player will be a more difficult task, but it’s possible Atlanta attempts to foist one of those players onto the Mavericks or another team as a price for the third pick. Still, given the hefty salary cost, there’s reason to be skeptical the Hawks would be able to offload either one. The Hawks will be one of a handful of teams with acres of cap space, and it seems more likely that Atlanta absorbs salary from another team versus offloading one. 

5. The Hawks are still thought to have interest in drafting Trae Young if they’re able to move down, with Mohamed Bamba also viewed as an option. Dealing down into the Mavericks’ spot would likely give them an opportunity to select either one, along with the possibility of Jaren Jackson still falling to them there. If the Hawks are serious about bringing on Young, moving Schröder feels like a critical domino that ought to fall first. It’s worth noting that both point guards are represented by the agency Octagon, and that it would be in nobody’s best interest for them to wind up as teammates. Atlanta has explored moving Schröder, but league sources say his off-court behavior and general attitude have made him harder to trade, despite the fact he’s entering his prime years at age 24. 

6. Whatever Dallas ends up doing at No. 5 feels like a major pivot point in the draft, one that’s been made cloudier by the potential movement preceding their pick. Speculatively, if the Mavericks felt they had to bypass the Hawks to draft Doncic, they could call the Kings. Still, Sacramento would be taking a big risk moving down without clarity as to which of their options could be left on the board given how few of the top prospects are known to have worked out for them. If Dallas stays put, there have been mixed signals about how much they like Mohamed Bamba. The Mavericks would seem like a solid fit for Michael Porter, but whether he’s in serious consideration here remains unclear given his health situation. Teams have also expressed concerns about his maturity level and off-the-court adjustment to the NBA lifestyle.

7. It appears Trae Young, Michael Porter and one of either Bamba or Jackson appears likely to be available at No. 5, and that Doncic seems unlikely to fall that far. That puts the Mavericks in a natural position to try and trade down, noting their apparent desire to be competitive next season and the fact Dallas has the cap space to absorb the contract of a player they like. The Magic pick sixth, and aren’t showing their hand. Another team could call Dallas and see an opportunity to pre-empt Orlando’s decision entirely and come grab the guy they want one spot ahead. The 76ers have been rumored to be calling teams about high lottery selections, and the Mavericks might be a workable trade partner depending on which players are available when they select.

8. The Clippers’ picks at Nos. 12 and 13 are where the next major pocket of uncertainty in the draft seems to fall. While they would like to consolidate those picks into a higher selection, other teams are skeptical that Los Angeles has enough in the way of attractive trade chips to make that happen. The more likely scenario right now is that the Clippers pick the player they like the most at 12, then choose to move on 13, potentially using it to add another pick later in the draft while adding another pick or asset. They could be selecting from a group of prospects including Kevin Knox, Robert Williams and Lonnie Walker.

9. Working down from there, the Nuggets at No. 14, the Wizards at No. 15 and the Suns at No. 16 are all teams that could move their picks. As SI’s Jake Fischer reported Tuesday, Denver would like to shed the salary of either Kenneth Faried or Darrell Arthur if they use that pick to trade down. The Nuggets are coming up on a major extension for Nikola Jokic while the first year of Gary Harris’s new contract kicks in this summer, putting them in a potential crunch. The Wizards could look to do something similar to avoid paying the luxury tax in consecutive seasons. If the Suns do move, they’re more likely to target a move upward and could package picks 16 and 31 to do so, potentially with a player attached.

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sounds like the first two picks are locked in and the Draft starts at #3 with Hawks - who seem to be in "deal-making mode".  

It is also very smart for Travis Schlenk to now take the public stance that Hawks are settling in on Luka Doncic - whether it is true or not as it seems like the only likely action the Hawks will get on that pick on trade would be for Doncic from either Memphis(#4) or Dallas(#5).

Somewhat interesting that sounds like Hawks might be using #3 as bait to sucker Dallas into taking Schroeder or Baze.  Hoping we could get assets for the #3 pick - not just offload Schroeder.

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6 minutes ago, g-dawg said:

sounds like the first two picks are locked in and the Draft starts at #3 with Hawks - who seem to be in "deal-making mode".  

It is also very smart for Travis Schlenk to now take the public stance that Hawks are settling in on Luka Doncic - whether it is true or not as it seems like the only likely action the Hawks will get on that pick on trade would be for Doncic from either Memphis(#4) or Dallas(#5).

Somewhat interesting that sounds like Hawks might be using #3 as bait to sucker Dallas into taking Schroeder or Baze.  Hoping we could get assets for the #3 pick - not just offload Schroeder.

 

If the Hawks aren't as interested in Trae as reported, maybe throw Dennis Smith Jr. into the deal?

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53 minutes ago, g-dawg said:

 

Somewhat interesting that sounds like Hawks might be using #3 as bait to sucker Dallas into taking Schroeder or Baze.  Hoping we could get assets for the #3 pick - not just offload Schroeder.

If we use the #3 pick to unload Baze or Dennis, I will be royally pissed. That makes absolutely no sense. Don't devalue the #3 pick by, get a real asset back if we a trading down. 

We are still in asset collection mode.

 

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1 hour ago, DawnOfThemBirds said:

 

If the Hawks aren't as interested in Trae as reported, maybe throw Dennis Smith Jr. into the deal?

lol- why do you think Mays are going to trade their best player who could become a star and is on a rookie deal?

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Was talking to a buddy at work about Doncic at #3 and we both came to the conclusion that the Hawks are in deal making mode and are attempting at putting out misinformation to gauge the tea leaves on what I kind of a trade down they can make and win. (Perception wise) No matter, the Hawks need to nail this draft. I’m Atlanta all the way but the Hawks have made it hard since dealing Nique 25 YEARS ago to the point that the Five Stripes have passed them by in this town. It’s not really that close either IMO

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1 hour ago, g-dawg said:

lol- why do you think Mays are going to trade their best player who could become a star and is on a rookie deal?

 

I don't know, what else can the Mavs offer for Doncic if they really want him badly?

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I'm still hoping that the trade rumors are a smokescreen to keep teams from going to number 2 to take Doncic. 

While also winking at the kings "we font want him either" 

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43 minutes ago, DawnOfThemBirds said:

 

I don't know, what else can the Mavs offer for Doncic if they really want him badly?

I bet the MAVS like Dennis Smith more than Doncic.

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STOP IT YOU ***** 

But fine. I'm listening to Cole Zwicker and he's at least making a good case for Trae. Especially with some of the stats coming out recently, that if you remove the triple teams he was dealing with at Oklahoma, he's a really elite offensive player. He shot 14/19 on open 3s . That's insane. We all know he's one of the best passers of the last decade. And if you can make his defense into just below average, he has some slight Steve Nash to him. 

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42 minutes ago, WOR said:

I'm still hoping that the trade rumors are a smokescreen to keep teams from going to number 2 to take Doncic. 

While also winking at the kings "we font want him either" 

One thing for certain - Schlenk is not Billy Knight - absolutely no one knows what the Hawks GM is going to do tomorrow.

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47 minutes ago, WOR said:

I'm still hoping that the trade rumors are a smokescreen to keep teams from going to number 2 to take Doncic. 

While also winking at the kings "we font want him either" 

I want the same. 

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3 minutes ago, WOR said:

STOP IT YOU ***** 

But fine. I'm listening to Cole Zwicker and he's at least making a good case for Trae. Especially with some of the stats coming out recently, that if you remove the triple teams he was dealing with at Oklahoma, he's a really elite offensive player. He shot 14/19 on open 3s . That's insane. We all know he's one of the best passers of the last decade. And if you can make his defense into just below average, he has some slight Steve Nash to him. 

While I just stated no one knows what Schlenk will do,   my guess is still the Hawks want Trae Young.

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52 minutes ago, DawnOfThemBirds said:

 

I don't know, what else can the Mavs offer for Doncic if they really want him badly?

Their only offer would be a 2019 future 1st unprotected.

I'd rather keep Luca.

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5 minutes ago, WOR said:

STOP IT YOU ***** 

But fine. I'm listening to Cole Zwicker and he's at least making a good case for Trae. Especially with some of the stats coming out recently, that if you remove the triple teams he was dealing with at Oklahoma, he's a really elite offensive player. He shot 14/19 on open 3s . That's insane. We all know he's one of the best passers of the last decade. And if you can make his defense into just below average, he has some slight Steve Nash to him. 

Jay Bilas said he likes Sexton better than Trae. Go Figure. 

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I just still don't see what we're trading down for. I think it's 110% certain that Schlenk has a better handle on the future than any of us, but man. Maybe I'm just devaluing next years picks, but really on the magics pick would be one I wanted. 

I don't see the griz being bad with Conley back, gasol, and Doncic. 

Mavs look like they wanna try and compete for a playoff spot. 

If you go past 6 you're looking at falling into the next tier of guys. 

Nobody has good young talent. I'm not trying to trade back for anything less than a potential top 5 pick. I'm just having a hard time squaring all of this. Why would you do any of this? 

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3 minutes ago, Black Francis said:

Jay Bilas said he likes Sexton better than Trae. Go Figure. 

I'm really falling off the Sexton bandwagon. I think the Eric Bledsoe comps are spot on. 

I don't want another non-facilItating PG. 

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1 minute ago, WOR said:

I'm really falling off the Sexton bandwagon. I think the Eric Bledsoe comps are spot on. 

I don't want another non-facilItating PG. 

He can't shoot from distance either.

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3 minutes ago, jayu70 said:

He can't shoot from distance either.

Yup just like Bledsoe. And Bledsoe isn't a bad player either, but I'm not trading around for that. 

I'm not sure Sexton is as athletic as Bledsoe either, so his midrange-drive game might take a hit. 

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Dark horse trade partner Celts?

What would they give us?  I will take Jaylen Brown plus a few of those future 1st rounders they got from other teams.

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I understand this move for the sixers. They need money for FAs and don't have that many roster spots. 

Which is why I'm also not overly sure why the Lakers are doing this. I guess if you sign George/Lebron you're gonna need all the dirt cheap garbage players you can get lol

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Take Parsons' contract and the #4 pick.  Give Memphis  the Cleveland pick next season to sweeten the pot and appease angry Memphis fans.  

Draft Bamba/JJJ with the #3 pick.  This increases desperation around the league, as Doncic is still on the board.  Field all offers. If nothing knocks them off their feet, draft Doncic.  

Chances are that some team will make big offer and allow the Hawks to acquire Young.

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3 minutes ago, g-dawg said:

Dark horse trade partner Celts?

What would they give us?  I will take Jaylen Brown plus a few of those future 1st rounders they got from other teams.

Yeah me and BBD talked about this last week I believe.

Theyve got enough to make it work, but I really don't know why they would. 

Where would they play Doncic? Why would they need him with a team that already has very capable ball handlers in kyrie, Tatum, and Gordon. 

I cant see them trading up for a big. 

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