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How would a new contract for Julio affect paying for other players next year?

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2 hours ago, kiwifalcon said:

Since this place is still SB or bust how bout the catch in the 2016 SB that should have won us the game how many players on the offense you got making that play?

How bout the fact that he pretty much carried us while playing hurt in the above mentioned games.

What a laugher thinking taking Julio Jones out of this team the team will keep rolling whoever thinks that is smoking crack straight up.Who else on this team takes doubles and triples on almost every play.If anything this is a big reason why Julio can't get in the end zone as many as some talk about but you can bet because of the Julio effect others will.

 

This is a common sentiment on TATF. If Julio is that valuable how did we score zero points in our 2011 wildcard playoff game with him on the field? How does he go off on SF in the 2012 NFCCG and we lose at home in the Dome? How the hail did we go 18-30 with him on the roster from 2013-2015? How on earth do we lose our best chance for rest in the 2016 SB after all his amazing catches? Why don't we have a Lombardi after seven seasons with Julio on the squad? Why do none of the top WRs have a ring? Why was the last leading receiver on a championship team a TE with 800 yards and 8 TDs? These are questions that need to be pondered and analyzed thoroughly by the FO, media, fans, all TATFers, Julio and his agent. Right now.

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18 minutes ago, kiwifalcon said:

Who have we struggled to maintain?

You mix and match the talent with the incoming that's what we've been doing now and for the most part in this scheme of DQs the rookies pretty much get to play.

We won't struggle to at all the guys we keep will be the guys chosen we go foward with as long as we keep plugging in young talent around the chosen we will keep rolling.

 

Poe for starters. I Find it hard to believe that we wouldn’t have re-signed him and made more additions if we’d had more cap room.

We’ve drafted very well in recent years. As those guy bevone eligible for free agency, we are going to find ourselves under a lot more cap pressure.

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23 minutes ago, DoYouSeeWhatHappensLarry said:

lol "proven starter"? 

You sure about that? 

Its remarkable how much you struggle with working from the specific to the general and vice versa. 

Foles was 15-9 in his first three years in PHI as a starter with a Pro Bowl under his belt. He also has a ring and a 113.2 playoff passer rating. He definitely aint a Trent Dilfer.

If he is, how TF did PHI win a championship with him and a TE as the leading receiver with 824 yards and 8 TDs last year? Splain dat bro.

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3 hours ago, notthatcool said:

The Cowboys just signed Guard Zack Martin 6 years for 84M.  40M guaranteed.    

That's an elite all pro guard. Considered the best if not one of the best at his position. 

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32 minutes ago, DoYouSeeWhatHappensLarry said:

lol "proven starter"? 

You sure about that? 

Its remarkable how much you struggle with working from the specific to the general and vice versa. 

You can't act like Foles is your typical backup.

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40 minutes ago, FalconFanSince1970 said:

This is a common sentiment on TATF. If Julio is that valuable how did we score zero points in our 2011 wildcard playoff game with him on the field? How does he go off on SF in the 2012 NFCCG and we lose at home in the Dome? How the hail did we go 18-30 with him on the roster from 2013-2015? How on earth do we lose our best chance at rest in the 2016 SB after all his amazing catches? Why don't we have a Lombardi after seven seasons with Julio on the squad? Why do none of the top WRs have a ring? Why was the last leading receiver on a championship team a TE with 800 yards and 8 TDs? These are questions that need to be analyzed thoroughly by the FO, the fans, all TATFers, Julio and his agent. Right now.

Jerry RIce, Swann/Stallworth, Paul Warfield, Michael Irvin all say hello. 

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1 hour ago, Vandy said:

And as a an oldtimer around here, you would know this is a much more elegant problem to have versus how it use to be. 

Not lookin for elegant problems. Just rest. Been following since 66. Fan since 70. Tired. As an oldtimer I say Julio is a luxury that could help us get rest in 2018 in our own backyard but he is not the key.  I can think of a ton of ways to be better without him. 

 

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3 hours ago, kiwifalcon said:

Who have we struggled to maintain?

You mix and match the talent with the incoming that's what we've been doing now and for the most part in this scheme of DQs the rookies pretty much get to play.

We won't struggle to at all the guys we keep will be the guys chosen we go foward with as long as we keep plugging in young talent around the chosen we will keep rolling.

 

We could be coming up on a 2013 type purge bro. Member that? Check the 2019 roster and cap situation. We've drafted better since Pioli and Quinn arrived but we will need some Tier 1 and 2 players to stay competitive.

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3 hours ago, Vandy said:

FF70? Naw my man, I know his game. He'll just come back with some BS answer that will make half the board go ape-****. He's loves just ******* with us Larry. 

And you know it's true better than anyone in here. 

 

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OK that's true but I love the Falcons more and will always have my arrow pointing toward rest.

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1 hour ago, ukfalc said:

Poe for starters. I Find it hard to believe that we wouldn’t have re-signed him and made more additions if we’d had more cap room.

We’ve drafted very well in recent years. As those guy bevone eligible for free agency, we are going to find ourselves under a lot more cap pressure.

We didn't have the cap room to resign Poe. He's with the Panties now and probably wants to prove we made a mistake. We limped into the draft with $2M and still haven't signed Ridley who showed up for both camps by the way. We have the 26th least amount of cap space as of today according to the NFLPA and are likely headed toward a similar situation next year. We'll probably have to count on rooks and young'ns to fill key holes in the next couple years. The coaches will have to coach em up or we will struggle to stay up with the new NFC.

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2 hours ago, Vandy said:

Jerry RIce, Swann/Stallworth, Paul Warfield, Michael Irvin all say hello. 

You reachin waaaaaay back bro.

How many rings do Julio, AB, Fitz, OBJ, Hop, T.O. and Randy have?

Post up the #1 WRs from the last 10 championship teams and compare.

Ten targets a game to Elite WRs aint really guaranteeing rings these days.

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1 hour ago, FalconFanSince1970 said:

Not lookin for elegant problems. Just rest. Been following since 66. Fan since 70. Tired. As an oldtimer I say Julio is a luxury that could help us get rest in 2018 in our own backyard but he is not the key.  I can think of a ton of ways to be better without him. 

 

Really? Okay, I’ll  Play along. Tell me one. 

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54 minutes ago, FalconFanSince1970 said:

You reachin waaaaaay back bro.

How many rings do Julio, AB, Fitz, OBJ, Hop, T.O. and Randy have?

Post up the #1 WRs from the last 10 championship teams and compare.

Ten targets a game to Elite WRs aint really guaranteeing rings these days.

I’m an old timer too. Don’t play with me Bro’, I go back as far as you do. Football is football.  If anything, the game is more WR friendly today than it was back then.

We both know julio should have two. Blame Coaches Smitty and Quinny poor situational coaching for our lack of rest, not Julio.

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1 hour ago, Vandy said:

Really? Okay, I’ll  Play along. Tell me one. 

Give Ridley half of Julio's ten targets. That's probably 50-60 yards a game and 3-4 TDs right there. Hand three more targets to Free and Teco. They need to be worked into the passing game more anyway. Use Teco as an Eric Metcalf type RB/WR. There's 20 yards and a couple TDs. The other two targets can be split between Sanu, Hoop, Hardy and Hall on an alternating game basis to keep defenses honest. Together I think they could match or eclipse Julio's 6 TDs and get close to his 1500 yards. I honestly believe we'd be harder to defend. Everybody comes in trying to stop Julio. We could hit em five ways like this. Our best offensive season was in 2016 when we spread the ball to 15 different receivers, 8 with 20+ receptions and an NFL setting record 13 with a TD. Defenses couldn't handle it.

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30 minutes ago, Vandy said:

I’m an old timer too. Don’t play with me Bro’, I go back as far as you do. Football is football.  If anything, the game is more WR friendly today than it was back then.

We both know julio should have two. Blame Coaches Smitty and Quinny poor situational coaching for our lack of rest, not Julio.

The game may be WR friendly now but Elite WRs do not appear to be the key to a Lombardi. Google the last ten championship teams and post their #1 WR. Not many elite ones.

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Real talk, put aside how great Julio is for a moment. Do we have a talented offense without him? Still got an MVP QB, one of the top RB tandems, an OL with plus OTs and a probowler at center. Julio is super valuable, but that don't mean our offense isn't talented without him. If our OC gets them to simply achieve to their ability, they will surpass last season's scoring with or without Julio.

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4 minutes ago, maxatlanta said:

Real talk, put aside how great Julio is for a moment. Do we have a talented offense without him? Still got an MVP QB, one of the top RB tandems, an OL with plus OTs and a probowler at center. Julio is super valuable, but that don't mean our offense isn't talented without him. If our OC gets them to simply achieve to their ability, they will surpass last season's scoring with or without Julio.

Honestly believe this. Probably be harder to defend and maybe a better team if the defense and STs rise.

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7 hours ago, Dirtybird3 said:

Jake to me shouldn't be mention as a potential big deal. He's better than 'average' but I don't see him as a big number compared to others at his position. 

I think Jake is above avg, but above avg LTs just don't grow on trees and the position usually gets paid a good amount.  Look at what they paid Freeman, and Ryan.  Jake will get paid, but he won't be the highest paid LT in the game, but the Falcons FO likes to pay their guys.  I also think he gets paid, b/c who else are we going to play at LT, or get?

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On 6/18/2018 at 0:59 PM, Falcons Fan MVP said:

Matt and Julio are the only ones who have that kind of leverage on the team. Deion Jones on defense could be on his way to that star power.

****, look at D Freeman, and his contract that made him the highest paid rb, all for just bringing it up before the superbowl.  You don't think Grady, can?  Takk?  Neal?  I can see Vic trying, and possibly getting it (depends on what he does this year). 

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5 hours ago, Peyton said:

My argument is that he is fairly compensated for what he brings.

And you may be right. But, as is his wont, he begs to differ.

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7 hours ago, FalconFanSince1970 said:

This is a common sentiment on TATF. If Julio is that valuable how did we score zero points in our 2011 wildcard playoff game with him on the field? How does he go off on SF in the 2012 NFCCG and we lose at home in the Dome? How the hail did we go 18-30 with him on the roster from 2013-2015? How on earth do we lose our best chance for rest in the 2016 SB after all his amazing catches? Why don't we have a Lombardi after seven seasons with Julio on the squad? Why do none of the top WRs have a ring? Why was the last leading receiver on a championship team a TE with 800 yards and 8 TDs? These are questions that need to be pondered and analyzed thoroughly by the FO, media, fans, all TATFers, Julio and his agent. Right now.

So you've brought up the worst I see.

Obviously you missed the whole closing of the dome game and that SB we should have won.

Julio was a huge part of that and played hurt.

2011 Julio was still a rookie and the forwarding years he's got better and better how's the team looked since 2015 or is everyone forgetting that.

How many Falcon players can you remember in the last decade being hailed as the best in there position.

Ill wait popular position how's the Falcons looked since DQ and co have run it while we are at it 3 out of the 4 drafts look pretty good too me yet your ready to escort Julio the best WRer in the league to the state line cmon man.

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3 hours ago, maxatlanta said:

Real talk, put aside how great Julio is for a moment. Do we have a talented offense without him? Still got an MVP QB, one of the top RB tandems, an OL with plus OTs and a probowler at center. Julio is super valuable, but that don't mean our offense isn't talented without him. If our OC gets them to simply achieve to their ability, they will surpass last season's scoring with or without Julio.

Yes we do but how many of those guys command double and triple coverage that allows the other talent to succeed.We only got one guy like that.Julio Jones is the Falcons version of LBJ or Kevin Durant you take the mentioned out of those teams they'd struggle to win to just like we would.

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5 hours ago, FalconFanSince1970 said:

We didn't have the cap room to resign Poe. He's with the Panties now and probably wants to prove we made a mistake. We limped into the draft with $2M and still haven't signed Ridley who showed up for both camps by the way. We have the 26th least amount of cap space as of today according to the NFLPA and are likely headed toward a similar situation next year. We'll probably have to count on rooks and young'ns to fill key holes in the next couple years. The coaches will have to coach em up or we will struggle to stay up with the new NFC.

Why is it so hard to except that Poe was a rental why is it that you've spun that narrative.

Who would you rather have Poe or Jarrett because we were never going to tie up cash in both of them.

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7 hours ago, ukfalc said:

Poe for starters. I Find it hard to believe that we wouldn’t have re-signed him and made more additions if we’d had more cap room.

We’ve drafted very well in recent years. As those guy bevone eligible for free agency, we are going to find ourselves under a lot more cap pressure.

Nah I think Poe was always a rental and they obviously had a decision to make on either side Levitre or Poe they weighed up that option and cap cost and made the decision.

No doubt it's many they are going to have too make roster wise.Really I'm not to worried about it as you mentioned if you look at 3-4 DQ TD drafts they've been pretty decent with regards to talent so that makes me a bit more comfortable.

If it had have been MS TD combo I think we'd be in trouble.

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