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Snap counts for the 2017 Falcons and the replacement for the top 4 snap counts missing from last year

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9 hours ago, falcons007 said:

Takk will take over Claybornes snaps. 

I agree. 

To take it a step further, I think Shelby/Crawford take over a chunk of Reed’s snaps so that Reed is available for more if Takk’s #3 DE/Pass rush snaps

Someone posted a metric on it a while ago, but Brooks was surprisingly effective rushing the passer the past two years

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1 hour ago, TheFatboi said:

He can’t. We beat von Miller in the same game Beasley went off. Why didn’t miller change the course of that game for Denver? Lol. It’s a silly debate really. There’s 11 guys on defense. Not just one. Every time Beasley got a strip sack he impacted the game. The offense got the ball back. I want him to produce the same stats you’re asking. Also show where Von Miller, Reggie White, Lawrence Taylor, Bruce Smith, Michael Strahan, and ANY of these greats went 16-0 because of their game changing ways each game. 

But didn't you know the SB was Matt Ryan's fault? Because he only cares about money. THATS why we lost and I wish we had Tyrod Taylor for the same cap hit. But as you memesters say I guess we got troff'd

Cmon man you keep not keeping up with my sane subjective manipulations. GG EZ.

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5 hours ago, FalconFanSince1970 said:

Bro did you notice we had to wait for Ryan and Lolo's money to clear to sign the draft class and McClain? Before that happened we were hovering around $1.3M in cap space. Troffed. Just wait and see how the next two cap years unfold.

Our vaunted 2018 free agency class included Fusco, McClain, Bethel and Paulsen. One average starter and three back ups. You happy?

We are going from Poe, Rubin and Upshaw to Senat, McClain and Crawford at DT. That looks like a drop off. A light in the as front that will get run over. Don't be surprised if we drop out of the top 10 run defense class.

At DE we lost Clayborn and added a UDFA with no NFL snaps. TATF says Takk and Beasley will take up the slack. I hope so. We will soon see.

I did notice that mate but myself and others were telling you that well before it happend but your agenda kept changing.

At the moment inside we have Jarrett Crawford McLain and Senat why do you think there's going to be a drop off ?

Upshaw Rubin were situational and personally I think the addition of Senat and McLain are more that and equal to that loss.

Senat for me if I were to say is going to be a big part of the run package all he has to come in and do a job for us.

Poes production won't be replaced by one guy Itll be platooned with a mixture of Senat and McLain.

Pass rush will predominantly be Jarrett Crawford Takk Reed and Beasley and Campbell chipping in at SLBer.I don't see a drop off there.I see a very versatile group with many personnel packages we can come after teams.

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2 minutes ago, Ergo Proxy said:

Lol Lolo hasn't even come off the books and we had cap room for rookies. Matt's deal let us get McClain. Good thing Ryan is such a bargain this year!:tiphat::munch:

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4 hours ago, Dirtybird3 said:

Again you're missing the point my guy. I came to this thread and responded to people discrediting clays 6 sack game. Saying it was against a crap line, which it was. Regardless he got socks sacks. Vic hasn't got more than what 2 maybee 3? Grady has 3, and so forth. So why are people quick to throw it away but at the same time laud viz and his league leading season. His best games that year numbers wise were against lesser opponents/lines, or in garbage time as we were scoring 30+ a game. Besides the point (Vic doesn't have that iconic performance or dominanting game, maybe a few in his career MAYBE yet you are supposed to be our defensive star.)

So again I'm not knocking his numbers, he got em. But if we're gonna give him that credit then we have to do the same for Clay, period. If you wanna throw away his 6 sacks then I'll point out sacks beez really should be credited with either, 

I think the numbers are onething that are over emphasised in my eyes the thing Beasley does that goes unspoken is the many jobs he can do defensively and the chess piece he is which can be deployed in multiple ways.

To me I think this defense takes a big step backwards if Besleys not part of it.We've seen what it can look like at his best and I think that's what DQ has realised aswell hence why they've put him back at DE permanently.

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7 minutes ago, kiwifalcon said:

I think the numbers are onething that are over emphasised in my eyes the thing Beasley does that goes unspoken is the many jobs he can do defensively and the chess piece he is which can be deployed in multiple ways.

To me I think this defense takes a big step backwards if Besleys not part of it.We've seen what it can look like at his best and I think that's what DQ has realised aswell hence why they've put him back at DE permanently.

Which I agree with, I'm not knocking vic. Just tryna to defend clay, 6 sacks a game is a feat, period. Clay will be missed more than people think. Takk will fill in I have no doubt but Clay was a baller beyond just the cowboys game 

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9 minutes ago, Dirtybird3 said:

Which I agree with, I'm not knocking vic. Just tryna to defend clay, 6 sacks a game is a feat, period. Clay will be missed more than people think. Takk will fill in I have no doubt but Clay was a baller beyond just the cowboys game 

I agree. He hit his incentive for sacks this year....Very Underrated. Wasn't he The Bucs 1st round pick?

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10 minutes ago, GET-ME-A-DB-TD said:

I agree. He hit his incentive for sacks this year....Very Underrated. Wasn't he The Bucs 1st round pick?

Rd1 pk 20..

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10 hours ago, Falconcheff said:

Careful my brother... them Doc's can find something wrong with even the healthiest of individuals... how else are they gonna be able to prescribe you something that's gonna lead to a whole lotta other trouble down the road... that they can prescribe something else for???

I have snake oil. 

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2 hours ago, Five_Fifs said:

I agree. 

To take it a step further, I think Shelby/Crawford take over a chunk of Reed’s snaps so that Reed is available for more if Takk’s #3 DE/Pass rush snaps

Someone posted a metric on it a while ago, but Brooks was surprisingly effective rushing the passer the past two years

 he is underrated within his teams' own fan base, which speaks volumes about this teams' fan base.

Edited by ATLSlobberKnockers

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14 hours ago, falconidae said:

From FO.

The ones that are missing are in red. That's Poe, Ckayborn, Gabriel and Toilolo.

Poe and Clayborn are replaced by Senat and McClain, Gabriel by Ridley and Toi by Saubert and Paulsen

I know that McClain isn't an exact replacement for Clayborn.

Add Fusco, Paulsen, Ridley, Oliver, Senat, Smith to the names below, got a really solid team. If some of the second year players[ Kazee, Riley, Saubert] and a couple of the low round/UDFAs contribute, this could be a really deep team as well.

 

 

# Name snaps offense % defense % ST %
23 R.Alford 1200 0 0.00% 1043 99.00% 157 37.10%
22 K.Neal 1110 0 0.00% 1045 99.10% 65 15.40%
45 D.Jones 1101 0 0.00% 1021 96.90% 80 18.90%
70 J.Matthews 1099 1025 99.80% 0 0.00% 74 17.50%
71 W.Schweitzer 1091 1016 98.90% 0 0.00% 75 17.70%
51 A.Mack 1029 1025 99.80% 0 0.00% 4 0.90%
2 M.Ryan 1026 1026 99.90% 0 0.00% 0 0.00%
37 R.Allen 992 0 0.00% 957 90.80% 35 8.30%
21 D.Trufant 967 0 0.00% 902 85.60% 65 15.40%
59 D.Campbell 958 0 0.00% 948 89.90% 10 2.40%
# Name snaps offense % defense % ST %
73 R.Schraeder 893 834 81.20% 0 0.00% 59 13.90%
97 G.Jarrett 870 0 0.00% 794 75.30% 76 18.00%
81 A.Hooper 868 787 76.60% 0 0.00% 81 19.10%
92 D.Poe 863 8 0.80% 786 74.60% 69 16.30%
11 Ju.Jones 769 766 74.60% 0 0.00% 3 0.70%
12 M.Sanu 759 756 73.60% 0 0.00% 3 0.70%
67 A.Levitre 751 699 68.10% 0 0.00% 52 12.30%
34 B.Poole 697 0 0.00% 635 60.20% 62 14.70%
99 A.Clayborn 576 0 0.00% 567 53.80% 9 2.10%
14 J.Hardy 574 383 37.30% 0 0.00% 191 45.20%
80 L.Toilolo 558 425 41.40% 0 0.00% 133 31.40%
# Name snaps offense % defense % ST %
24 D.Freeman 552 552 53.70% 0 0.00% 0 0.00%
18 T.Gabriel 541 540 52.60% 0 0.00% 1 0.20%
50 B.Reed 528 0 0.00% 412 39.10% 116 27.40%
40 D.Coleman 495 227 22.10% 0 0.00% 268 63.40%
44 V.Beasley 494 0 0.00% 485 46.00% 9 2.10%
63 B.Garland 479 343 33.40% 5 0.50% 131 31.00%
90 D.Shelby 472 0 0.00% 397 37.70% 75 17.70%
36 K.Ishmael 450 0 0.00% 114 10.80% 336 79.40%
26 T.Coleman 425 425 41.40% 0 0.00% 0 0.00%
27 D.Kazee 411 0 0.00% 164 15.60% 247 58.40%
98 T.McKinley 403 0 0.00% 401 38.00% 2 0.50%
# Name snaps offense % defense % ST %
42 D.Riley 381 0 0.00% 223 21.20% 158 37.40%
74 T.Sambrailo 312 209 20.40% 0 0.00% 103 24.30%
29 C.Goodwin 286 0 0.00% 69 6.50% 217 51.30%
85 E.Saubert 242 30 2.90% 0 0.00% 212 50.10%
28 T.Ward 235 74 7.20% 0 0.00% 161 38.10%
5 M.Bosher 211 0 0.00% 0 0.00% 211 49.90%
91 C.Upshaw 207 0 0.00% 200 19.00% 7 1.70%
20 S.Neasman 190 0 0.00% 6 0.60% 184 43.50%
19 A.Roberts 175 31 3.00% 0 0.00% 144 34.00%
53 L.Reynolds 169 0 0.00% 15 1.40% 154 36.40%
79 A.Rubin 147 0 0.00% 147 13.90% 0 0.00%
17 M.Hall 143 77 7.50% 0 0.00% 66 15.60%
33 B.Wreh 134 0 0.00% 64 6.10% 70 16.50%
47 J.Harris 129 0 0.00% 0 0.00% 129 30.50%
95 J.Crawford 126 0 0.00% 101 9.60% 25 5.90%
94 J.Vellano 84 0 0.00% 65 6.20% 19 4.50%
56 J.Grace 78 0 0.00% 0 0.00% 78 18.40%
3 M.Bryant 75 0 0.00% 0 0.00% 75 17.70%
# Name snaps offense % defense % ST %

Alford in 99% of snaps two seasons in a row. Trufant at 85% on defense and just 15 % ST. Alford playing in 99% of defensive snaps AND 37% of ST saps. Alford led the team in total snaps with 1,200 exactly. 90 more than K.Neal. Why is Trufant the second highest paid player on the team?

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1 hour ago, ATLSlobberKnockers said:

Alford in 99% of snaps two seasons in a row. Trufant at 85% on defense and just 15 % ST. Alford playing in 99% of defensive snaps AND 37% of ST saps. Alford led the team in total snaps with 1,200 exactly. 90 more than K.Neal. Why is Trufant the second highest paid player on the team?

You're right, and Wes played more snaps than Mack. We should just let him be our C and cut Mack!! It'll save money!!

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3 hours ago, Yo_Lover said:

You're right, and Wes played more snaps than Mack. We should just let him be our C and cut Mack!! It'll save money!!

Awwww sh!!!!!t!!! You've done it now bruh.

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11 hours ago, Dirtybird3 said:

I mentioned Denver and the chargers already so I'll give you that. Still a game we lost, which at the end of the day make a career more. But be honest probly still had to pull up these numbers to find games. Which would be 3,regular season games in 4-5 years? Not in a sb or title game.. And again beez is our defensive wrecker right? 

 

Still straying front the point though. The point is if we're giving vic all that credit against lesser lines then give the same respect to Clay. Especially when we don't have as strong a rush as we believe we do. 

I didn’t pull any of these stats up. This was only 1 1/2 years ago. You don’t remember this game?

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=W0CaMNlGT64

And Beasley’s only been in the league 3 years.

Rookie year: led the team in sacks in pressures

2nd: led league in sacks and FF

Last year he was injured and moved around due to Riley’s injury but I expect him to have a bounce back year if he’s healthy. Still crazy to say he hasn’t had any iconic games. 

Edited by falconsfan4life3
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9 hours ago, GET-ME-A-DB-TD said:

How the he!! We gonna play Ish and Kazee MORE THAN Takk??????-/

That first column of snap counts includes special teams snaps. 

The defense only played 1,049 total snaps. 

247 of Kazee’s snaps were on ST. 

336 of Ishmael’s snaps were on ST.

All 401 of McKinley’s snaps were on defense, zero on ST.

 

C’mon guys. It’s so ridiculous how poorly informed some of you are and yet you make big angst-filled opinions as if you’re justified to be critical.

Half this thread is filled with absurdly ignorant statements.

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The amount of vitriol(cruel and bitter criticism) in this thread is amazing. Now I can't see in to the future so I don't know how the D-Line will pan out this year but with what DQ has done with this defense in 3 years I will give him the benefit of the doubt to make things work out on defense.

Why don't we at least wait until TC and the first action these guys get in DQ's and MM's scheme before we proclaim the defensive line is a complete **** show.

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1 hour ago, falconsfan4life3 said:

I didn’t pull any of these stats up. This was only 1 1/2 years ago. You don’t remember this game?

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=W0CaMNlGT64

And Beasley’s only been in the league 3 years.

Rookie year: led the team in sacks in pressures

2nd: led league in sacks and FF

Last year he was injured and moved around due to Riley’s injury but I expect him to have a bounce back year if he’s healthy. Still crazy to say he hasn’t had any iconic games. 

4-8 rams and a rookie qb? Again a game that tbh didn't mean much. Find me a meaningful game that Vic dominated, in the playoffs.. 'due to rileys injury' whaaattt!? That boi was in no way a factor on beez numbers get outta here lol Duke was nothing more than st last year. His snaps on defense had no correlation with vic being injured. 

 

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Those who complain about changing kicking rules should go back and look at this list. See how many starters take a lot of ST snaps. If so many injuries happen during kick-offs it would make sense to want to limit those on your valuable highly paid starters.

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1 hour ago, Dirtybird3 said:

4-8 rams and a rookie qb? Again a game that tbh didn't mean much. Find me a meaningful game that Vic dominated, in the playoffs.. 'due to rileys injury' whaaattt!? That boi was in no way a factor on beez numbers get outta here lol Duke was nothing more than st last year. His snaps on defense had no correlation with vic being injured. 

 

He had a sack against 11-5 rams in last year's playoffs....

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2 hours ago, Dirtybird3 said:

4-8 rams and a rookie qb? Again a game that tbh didn't mean much. Find me a meaningful game that Vic dominated, in the playoffs.. 'due to rileys injury' whaaattt!? That boi was in no way a factor on beez numbers get outta here lol Duke was nothing more than st last year. His snaps on defense had no correlation with vic being injured. 

 

Lol what? 

“For a stretch there, we felt the best thing for us to do would be play Beasley in both roles - at [linebacker] and at the nickel defensive end," Quinn said Wednesday. "We're just going to go back to what he does best. At the time, we needed to use him in that role, but we'll feature him as a defensive end all the time in 2018."

 

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3 hours ago, Beef said:

That first column of snap counts includes special teams snaps. 

The defense only played 1,049 total snaps. 

247 of Kazee’s snaps were on ST. 

336 of Ishmael’s snaps were on ST.

All 401 of McKinley’s snaps were on defense, zero on ST.

 

C’mon guys. It’s so ridiculous how poorly informed some of you are and yet you make big angst-filled opinions as if you’re justified to be critical.

Half this thread is filled with absurdly ignorant statements.

Sorry bud. Some of us got to work.

Edited by GET-ME-A-DB-TD

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41 minutes ago, falconsfan4life3 said:

Lol what? 

“For a stretch there, we felt the best thing for us to do would be play Beasley in both roles - at [linebacker] and at the nickel defensive end," Quinn said Wednesday. "We're just going to go back to what he does best. At the time, we needed to use him in that role, but we'll feature him as a defensive end all the time in 2018."

 

Beez was played in the same role the year before that as well. I'm saying that Duke being injured was not the reason his numbers dipped. Duke was out 3 games last year lol. His numbers the year before looked high, again due to playing well against lesser opponents and garbage time. So its easy to say **** have another bounce back year after falling off, but you had other guys to eat up attention amd still didn't perform like we needed him too, in his lb or line position. 

Look we can go on about this, create another thread about it gah **** but it's still not gone change the fact that even vic 'league leading' year he still is not yet the rusher we drafted him to be period.. And no regular season sack you point out is gonna change my stance on that. 

Edited by Dirtybird3

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