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Troy Vincent: NFL will 'absolutely not' eliminate kickoffs

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Troy Vincent, the NFL's top executive in charge of football operations, said Tuesday the NFL will not eliminate the kickoff, but is hoping to modify it for the 2018 season to make the most dangerous play in the game safer.

The NFL began two days of meetings Tuesday with coaches, medical officials, former players and members of the officiating office, on player-safety related rules, but changes to the kickoff have been building in recent years. The league is pleased that there are more touchbacks in the game, but Vincent said they are alarmed that there are still huge hits on touchbacks, even though most people think of that as a dead play.

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"We've got to get that out of the game," Vincent said.

That concern has led to speculation, including from the Packers' Mark Murphy, that the kickoff could be eliminated entirely. Vincent, though, said the NFL will "absolutely not" get rid of the kickoff and does not want to make the play a ceremonial one. He said the league wants to be careful not to overcorrect the kickoff. In the past, the NFL eliminated the wedge -- three, four or five man blocks -- but Vincent indicated that two-on-one blocks remain problematic on kickoffs and could be eliminated, allowing only one-on-one blocks on kickoffs.

Vincent said that the NFL hopes to emerge from this week's meetings with a proposal it can take to owners for a vote at their meeting later this month. The rule would apply to the 2018 season. Wednesday's session will focus on the kickoff.

The first day of the meetings was devoted to a new rule that prohibits players from lowering their heads to initiate and make contact with the helmet -- any part of the helmet, and not just for contact to the head but to all parts of the body. The NFL said 291 concussions were recorded in the 2017 season -- an all-time high -- and 46 percent of them were caused by helmet to helmet contact. The session was focused on interior line play, where the new rule is expected to be especially challenging to adjust to and officiate.

 
Next step is that you wont be able to hit on kickoffs. As soon as you touch the returner, the play is dead.
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4 minutes ago, etherdome said:

Just make them punts from the 45.  

Who really cares about kick-offs?  Seriously.  

And the squib kick is also BS.  If a team has to resort to such desperate measures to catch up, it does not deserve to.  

but when the falcons have to do it, its not bs is it ??

Also you do know that kick returns are a big part of the game, right? 

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5 minutes ago, caponine said:

but when the falcons have to do it, its not bs is it ??

Also you do know that kick returns are a big part of the game, right? 

To me, the kick off is boring and apparently very dangerous.  If the league has studied the incidence of neck injuries and concussions and found that kick-offs are the most dangerous, then eliminate the darn thing and punt.

In this manner we reduce catastrophic injuries AND we can devote fewer roster spots to players that basically are nothing more than narrow specialists.  

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6 minutes ago, etherdome said:

To me, the kick off is boring and apparently very dangerous.  If the league has studied the incidence of neck injuries and concussions and found that kick-offs are the most dangerous, then eliminate the darn thing and punt.

In this manner we reduce catastrophic injuries AND we can devote fewer roster spots to players that basically are nothing more than narrow specialists.  

But thats the thing, no matter what rules you implement or change , injuries will still happen. Football is a physically and extremely demanding sport. Football players like Shazier and the rest of the league know the risks but still want to play the sport they love. Injuries are unavoidable honestly, head injuries will always be apart of the game sadly 

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The danger with kickoffs is building momentum to deliver big hits to players down the field. What needs to be addressed is simply to eliminate the opportunity to build that momentum and this could be achieved in a myriad of ways. For example simply changing the kickoff formation to one similar to a field goal, or mandate that all players with the exception of the returner must be within 10 yards of the snap... not sure how this would impact onside kicks tho

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     The league has changed the rules of the game to make the passing game king thereby causing high speed collisions all over the field and more concussions, which they have to alleviate by changing more rules. Defenses can't cover receivers close enough to overcome the pass attack so the defensive ends and tackles have become all out rushers because getting to the QB is the only way to play pass defense so the QB's started getting blasted, leading to more concussions and of course, more rule changes to protect the QB. The Kickoff, one of the most exciting plays in football and one of the best ways to set up an offense for a drive is being "rule changed" out of the game which, by the way will probably lead to teams having to start at the 20 or 25 yard line and result in even less running game being used which will cause more high speed collisions and more rule changes. The league wants fast and furious offense even though ground and pound is actually safer for the players as far as concussions are concerned. They speak out of both sides of their mouth and they cause the problems they supposedly have to fix. At some point you have to hand the players a waiver form and tell them that if they want their millions, they have to take the risk.

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23 minutes ago, papachaz said:

maybe, just maybe, there was an all time high for concussions last year because they're actually CHECKING players for them now?

there’s no way you can take concussions out of football. It is just part of the game now, concussions will still happen no matter what. 

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15 hours ago, caponine said:

but when the falcons have to do it, its not bs is it ??

Also you do know that kick returns are a big part of the game, right? 

Exactly. Didn't we just use this draft and FA to rebuild our ST's? They would all be a waste. 

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14 hours ago, slider said:

     The league has changed the rules of the game to make the passing game king thereby causing high speed collisions all over the field and more concussions, which they have to alleviate by changing more rules. Defenses can't cover receivers close enough to overcome the pass attack so the defensive ends and tackles have become all out rushers because getting to the QB is the only way to play pass defense so the QB's started getting blasted, leading to more concussions and of course, more rule changes to protect the QB. The Kickoff, one of the most exciting plays in football and one of the best ways to set up an offense for a drive is being "rule changed" out of the game which, by the way will probably lead to teams having to start at the 20 or 25 yard line and result in even less running game being used which will cause more high speed collisions and more rule changes. The league wants fast and furious offense even though ground and pound is actually safer for the players as far as concussions are concerned. They speak out of both sides of their mouth and they cause the problems they supposedly have to fix. At some point you have to hand the players a waiver form and tell them that if they want their millions, they have to take the risk.

i liked this post, it made sense to me because you saw it alot last year when the d lines were out of control and getting penalties

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1 minute ago, sdogg said:

Exactly. Didn't we just use this draft and FA to rebuild our ST's? They would all be a waste. 

i agree, ST’a is an important part to the game, cant win without it. We definitely rebuilded ST’s with their draft

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16 minutes ago, caponine said:

there’s no way you can take concussions out of football. It is just part of the game now, concussions will still happen no matter what. 

yeah I get that, my point was they're finding more because for years they ignored it and didn't test like they do now. There's always been more concussions than they knew about because they didn't check for them as closely. Now they're finding more because they're actually checking for them

 

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16 hours ago, AndySG said:

They can't eliminate them because of onside kicks. 

They could make it an elective option - team either gives the ball to the other team at their 20 or kicks and whichever team gains possession gets the ball at their own 40 (no matter where on the field it’s recovered).

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2 hours ago, papachaz said:

yeah I get that, my point was they're finding more because for years they ignored it and didn't test like they do now. There's always been more concussions than they knew about because they didn't check for them as closely. Now they're finding more because they're actually checking for them

 

ohh i agree with that, 30 years ago that wasnt even a thought. So many guys played with concussions back then

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Sorry but they can tweak all they want but the game of football is going to die one way or another due to it's violence.

If the NFL keeps tweaking the game people won't like it anymore, if the NFL does nothing Football eventually gets banned due to violence.

Also the talent pool will dwindle over time as Parents push their kids to other less violent sports.

We are pretty much in a long term death spiral for the game.

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1 minute ago, MAD597 said:

Sorry but they can tweak all they want but the game of football is going to die one way or another due to it's violence.

If the NFL keeps tweaking the game people won't like it anymore, if the NFL does nothing Football eventually gets banned due to violence.

Also the talent pool will dwindle over time as Parents push their kids to other less violent sports.

We are pretty much in a long term death spiral for the game.

They've been tweaking since day one and its more popular than ever.  Nfl will never die. 

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