What Scouts think about this years D-Tackle Class

[Falconcheff]

1 minute ago, NoleFalcon said:

Anyone else surprised to see Grady Jackson on this list with a comparative statistical career to Haloti Ngata?

Also, I’m not wild about any DT in the first round, but I think it’s likely we go there just based out of overwhelming need. I’d prefer us to double dip in rounds 2/4 with solid rotational guys with upside. That quote about B.J. Hill being “the absolute leader of the locker room” leads me to believe he’s on our radar for that second round pick. 

I can get behind this.  I know DT is a huge hole, but I don't want to waste our first round pick on a project, raw, 3rd or 4th rated player at the position just to fill a hole with a first rounder if the guy shouldn't be a first rounder.  Much rather take a surer bet like the top TE or someone like R Evans and double dip DT in later rounds...

[Kayoh]

I've been saying this for a while now. This DT class isn't impressive at the top, but a trade down (possibly out of the first completely) and grabbing a couple small school guys (namely Bilal Nichols and P.J. Hall in my eyes) in the middle rounds would be a great move for us, because then even if neither one of them is a world beater, we get the bodies, we get the high upside potential to develop, and then we get our stud DT in the absolutely stacked 2019 DT class.

[Vandy]

5 hours ago, Kayoh said:

I've been saying this for a while now. This DT class isn't impressive at the top, but a trade down (possibly out of the first completely) and grabbing a couple small school guys (namely Bilal Nichols and P.J. Hall in my eyes) in the middle rounds would be a great move for us, because then even if neither one of them is a world beater, we get the bodies, we get the high upside potential to develop, and then we get our stud DT in the absolutely stacked 2019 DT class.

There will be 3-4 DT’s drafted in Rd 1 this year. Trying to project next year’s draft by holding off on a huge need now is silly fan conjecture. Good teams never do that.

[Kayoh]

Just now, Vandy said:

There will be 4-5 DT’s drafted in Rd 1 this year. Trying to project next year’s draft by holding off on a huge need now is silly fan conjecture. Good teams never do that.

and yet I (and the Falcons) did exactly that in 2016. We knew the 2016 edge class wasn't good, saw that the 2017 edge class would be much better, and I told everyone that we'd be better off holding out for a 2017 edge rusher. The Falcons agreed with me through their actions. I just hope they repeat that process this year & next with a DT.

[Vandy]

1 minute ago, Kayoh said:

and yet I (and the Falcons) did exactly that in 2016. We knew the 2016 edge class wasn't good, saw that the 2017 edge class would be much better, and I told everyone that we'd be better off holding out for a 2017 edge rusher. The Falcons agreed with me through their actions. I just hope they repeat that process this year & next with a DT.

BS, they had multiple huge needs in 2016 and filled them accordingly based on who was available. The only huge need they have now is DT. 

And the Edge rusher falcons drafted in 2017 you dismissed.

You’re just like most everyone else in here, more swings and misses than hits. 

[Kayoh]

Just now, Vandy said:

BS, they had multiple huge needs in 2016 and filled them accordingly based on who was available. The only huge need they have now is DT. 

And the Edge rusher falcons drafted in 2017 you dismissed.

You’re just like most everyone else in here, more swings and misses than hits. 

and you're just like most everyone else in here in the sense that you just throw nuance out the door since it would get in the way of your ability to attack my credibility, which you seemingly never forego an opportunity to do.

[Vandy]

8 minutes ago, Kayoh said:

and you're just like most everyone else in here in the sense that you just throw nuance out the door since it would get in the way of your ability to attack my credibility, which you seemingly never forego an opportunity to do.

Hardly. I give you props when you make a little sense.

Do you hear yourself? You really think Bill Belichick is reviewing his team needs up in foxboro and identifying his biggest current need and saying he’ll wait until 2019 to really address it, hoping some mid-round stiff this year can fix it? How naive can you be? Good teams address it’s problems now because they are trying to win now.

 

[Kayoh]

Just now, Vandy said:

Hardly.

Do you hear yourself? You really think Bill Belichick is reviewing his team needs up in foxboro and identifying his biggest current need and saying he’ll wait until 2019 to really address it, hoping some mid-round stiff this year can fix it? How naive can you be? Good teams address it’s problems now. 

good teams address immediate needs in free agency, not the draft. Guess the Falcons aren't a very good team, given the gaping hole we still have at DT going into the draft.

[Vandy]

4 hours ago, Kayoh said:

good teams address immediate needs in free agency, not the draft. Guess the Falcons aren't a very good team, given the gaping hole we still have at DT going into the draft.

Wrong, they do both. See falcons 2016.

So you’re saying falcons aren’t a good team? Because they sure haven’t address DT in free agency. They may not grab a DT in Rd 1, but if you think their solution is putting all their eggs in a Nichols/ hall basket and wait till next year on really addressing the position you’re delusional. The Cleveland's Of the world historically may do that, the’re always looking at next year. But good teams like NE address their problems now.

[The Great American]

We have other needs besides DT.  I think LB is almost as urgent since we only have 2 starters and 2 backups on the roster.  

[Vandy]

BTW I like both Nichols and Hall as prospects, and one could very well be drafted by falcons as 2nd half of double-dip at DT in 3rd-4th round to give current/future depth in rotation at that bare position. But neither will be drafted to be team’s immediate starter, LOL Kayoh. 

[Vandy]

Just now, The Great American said:

We have other needs besides DT.  I think LB is almost as urgent since we only have 2 starters and 2 backups on the roster.  

We do have other needs, but no it’s not. We currently have 1 Starter and 1 backup at DT.

[falconidae]

7 hours ago, NoleFalcon said:

Anyone else surprised to see Grady Jackson on this list with a comparative statistical career to Haloti Ngata?

Also, I’m not wild about any DT in the first round, but I think it’s likely we go there just based out of overwhelming need. I’d prefer us to double dip in rounds 2/4 with solid rotational guys with upside. That quote about B.J. Hill being “the absolute leader of the locker room” leads me to believe he’s on our radar for that second round pick. 

If Quinn thinks he can turn Bryan into Watt2.0, Bryan will be drafted at 26.

[Stryka]

16 hours ago, JayOzOne said:

Neal was Mike Mayock's #58 overall prospect and Debo was #62 in 2016. Both would go top 20 in any redraft. Evaluations have to be made in context of the team drafting the player and how they fit with that team, not generally with every team.

This is what people miss.  Its not about BPA. Its not about draft need. Its more about scheme fit than anything.  You can get a brilliant player and be using him wrong and turn him into a bust.  Vice Versa you can take the average guy or mid to late round guy and have him be a good starter or even probowler because of fit.  If someone tried to make K. Neal a Cover 2 or Cover 1 deep FS. He would be ok but not probowler status.  Same for if someone put Debo as an inside backer in the 3-4. I dont think he makes half the plays he did. 

 

Im excited about this draft. Im certain we get a quality player. T. Bryan just screams better pro than college guy to me.  Still has to learn a lot but mannn when he puts it all together he will be a terror for years. 

[Ovie_Lover]

On 4/23/2018 at 10:12 AM, jlrfalcon said:

The real prize for the Falcons will be getting Bryan in the first round who could be versatile to play DE or DT and then adding a 2nd tier DT like Hall, Sheperd or Hill.  We really do not need another DT like Vea since we have Jarrett.

What??? Explain??

[Smiler11]

4 hours ago, Kayoh said:

good teams address immediate needs in free agency, not the draft. Guess the Falcons aren't a very good team, given the gaping hole we still have at DT going into the draft.

Great teams proactively plan ahead so they don't have any immediate needs. Going into the draft with just one glaring need is pretty good compared with the rest of the league.

[Vandy]

15 minutes ago, Yo_Lover said:

What??? Explain??

LOL...just 2 more days of this type insanity, then the real crazy commentaries begin!

[Falcanuck]

14 hours ago, bknowles said:

7. R.J. McINTOSH haven’t watched much tape but don’t know why no ones talking about him

He’s REALLY good. Incredibly fast off the line. 

[kiwifalcon]

18 hours ago, JayOzOne said:

Neal was Mike Mayock's #58 overall prospect and Debo was #62 in 2016. Both would go top 20 in any redraft. Evaluations have to be made in context of the team drafting the player and how they fit with that team, not generally with every team.

That's the money post right there FIT.Its exactly why we took a jones and even the Neal pick everyone said we went a round early.But you look back on that now and just laugh.I see much the same with a BJ Hill if he's taken in the 2nd round say.

[kiwifalcon]

6 hours ago, Kayoh said:

good teams address immediate needs in free agency, not the draft. Guess the Falcons aren't a very good team, given the gaping hole we still have at DT going into the draft.

Or the coach has told the GM he sees the same if not better potential in the draft and they execute there personnel stratergy accordingly.