ChickenBiscuit Posted March 22, 2018 Share Posted March 22, 2018 (edited) Last year I was all in on the Trufant trade. But I saw this in another thread and felt it could generate some interesting discussion, wanted to see what the TATF heads thought about it. So, off of this list we can basically check off Matthews and Ryan. They'll be extended this off-season or the next, undoubtedly. But next is Tevin Coleman, Grady Jarrett, Brian Poole, Rico, Debo, De'Vondre Campbell, Keanu Neal and Vic Beasley. Instead of letting them test free agency, why not trade one, get some picks and move back. An excerpt from PFF's 2016 grade on Vic Beasley: "Beasley was the NFL’s sack leader this year, with two more sacks to his name than any other player, but as impressive as that number is, it flatters his overall play and even his pass rush. Beasley sacked the QB 16 times from 56 total pressures, a conversion rate of 28.6 percent, while the average edge rusher converts at just over 15 percent. That might be seen by some as evidence of elite finishing, but history says it’s a completely unsustainable level, and owes more to bad tackles and other factors producing a run of clean up or unblocked sacks. Beasley has four multiple-sack games that account for 11 of his 16 sacks, and all of them came against subpar tackles that have an average PFF rating for the season of 56.8. Beasley was good this year, but not as good as his sack total suggests, so he falls behind other pass-rushers that generated significantly more pressure (Khalil Mack had 40 more total pressures and just two fewer sacks)" However, many projected Vic Beasley to be a prototype 3-4 OLB coming out of Clemson. He could thrive in an environment like Pittsburgh. He's young, he's an elite athlete and he's still on a rookie contract, so we honestly can't lose either way. I just wanted to see you what you guys thought about this topic. Edited March 22, 2018 by ChickenBiscuit Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#1ATLFALCONSFAN Posted March 22, 2018 Share Posted March 22, 2018 *Sigh Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChickenBiscuit Posted March 22, 2018 Author Share Posted March 22, 2018 1 minute ago, #1ATLFALCONSFAN said: *Sigh Listen, these boards have been mind numbingly boring the past week. TD makes no moves, we complain there are no moves being made, complain that other teams are making moves and we're not, rinse and REPEAT. It's like clockwork. I'm just trying to have some semblance of an interesting discussion. If you think it's a bad idea, just state why. It's a DISCUSSION BOARD lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
quotemokc Posted March 22, 2018 Share Posted March 22, 2018 Yep lets trade a player when his value is arguably at his lowest. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bobby.Digital Posted March 22, 2018 Share Posted March 22, 2018 (edited) Beasley is a big piece to this defense. While I think his 2016 numbers were a bit inflated hes still a very good pass rusher and his speed is super valueable. For me it all depends on what hes asking for. There's a good chance someone will give him a stupid contract if he hits FA. Im talking Von Miller/Khalil Mack money, if Beasley is asking for that then I'm not sure I'd want him at that price. With that being said I wouldn't even consider moving him until after this upcoming season and thats only if hes asking for a ridiculous contract. Edited March 22, 2018 by Bobby.Digital Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MoFalconsFan56 Posted March 22, 2018 Share Posted March 22, 2018 7 minutes ago, Bobby.Digital said: Beasley is a very valueable piece to this defense. While I think his 2016 numbers were a bit inflated hes still a very good pass rusher and his speed is super valueable. For me it all depends on what hes asking for. There's a good chance someone will give him a stupid contract if he hits FA. Im talking Von Miller/Khalil Mack money, if Beasley is asking for that then I'm not sure I'd want him at that price. With that being said I wouldn't even consider moving him until after this upcoming season and thats only if hes asking for a ridiculous contract. Yep I feel the exact same way. I like Beasley and I think being at DE full time this year he'll end up w about 10-12 sacks but if the dude wants a giant contract, you're right, we have to let him walk. I love his speed but I don't really think he's a guy we build around I think he's an excellent piece to this or really any solid defense. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
atljbo Posted March 22, 2018 Share Posted March 22, 2018 No Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Knight of God Posted March 22, 2018 Share Posted March 22, 2018 Its like this. No because reasons. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Knight of God Posted March 22, 2018 Share Posted March 22, 2018 Think I went nuclear when we drafted JA98 or let JA55 go? Yeah, try me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NeonDeion Posted March 22, 2018 Share Posted March 22, 2018 His first step is Von Miller-esque. He’s still developing and didn’t get to develop more this year out of pass rush position. Trade value not worth it right now. Gotta give him time. 15 sacks not sustainable, but if he’s a 10 sack a year guy, we don’t want to lose out on that. Would rather give him the chance to earn the big bucks than trade. Would rather trade Coleman but only if we can draft Ballage Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bunchy Carter Posted March 22, 2018 Share Posted March 22, 2018 I'm not completely sold on his output to potential ratio. However, I think it'd be a mistake to trade him. I'm hoping he bounces back and has a great year since DQ has decided he'll be a full time end. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
atljbo Posted March 22, 2018 Share Posted March 22, 2018 11 minutes ago, Knight of God said: Think I went nuclear when we drafted JA98 or let JA55 go? Yeah, try me. The guy just had 15.5 sacks thooooo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Knight of God Posted March 22, 2018 Share Posted March 22, 2018 1 hour ago, atljbo said: The guy just had 15.5 sacks thooooo It was a fluke Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AllStarHandyMan Posted March 22, 2018 Share Posted March 22, 2018 (edited) 3 hours ago, ChickenBiscuit said: Last year I was all in on the Trufant trade. But I saw this in another thread and felt it could generate some interesting discussion, wanted to see what the TATF heads thought about it. So, off of this list we can basically check off Matthews and Ryan. They'll be extended this off-season or the next, undoubtedly. But next is Tevin Coleman, Grady Jarrett, Brian Poole, Rico, Debo, De'Vondre Campbell, Keanu Neal and Vic Beasley. Instead of letting them test free agency, why not trade one, get some picks and move back. An excerpt from PFF's 2016 grade on Vic Beasley: "Beasley was the NFL’s sack leader this year, with two more sacks to his name than any other player, but as impressive as that number is, it flatters his overall play and even his pass rush. Beasley sacked the QB 16 times from 56 total pressures, a conversion rate of 28.6 percent, while the average edge rusher converts at just over 15 percent. That might be seen by some as evidence of elite finishing, but history says it’s a completely unsustainable level, and owes more to bad tackles and other factors producing a run of clean up or unblocked sacks. Beasley has four multiple-sack games that account for 11 of his 16 sacks, and all of them came against subpar tackles that have an average PFF rating for the season of 56.8. Beasley was good this year, but not as good as his sack total suggests, so he falls behind other pass-rushers that generated significantly more pressure (Khalil Mack had 40 more total pressures and just two fewer sacks)" However, many projected Vic Beasley to be a prototype 3-4 OLB coming out of Clemson. He could thrive in an environment like Pittsburgh. He's young, he's an elite athlete and he's still on a rookie contract, so we honestly can't lose either way. I just wanted to see you what you guys thought about this topic. Poole,Allen,Coleman I don't think makes the cut ( contract ) I believe all can be replaced and we have drafted players before to try and see if they fit . Kazeer was drafted and crossed trained to see what role he played better CB/S. The hard one to replace is Coleman. So that's why I see us using him until he is 100% to much to keep on a franchise tag. If we can't find someone to replace him. As for Poole I think as a 3rd corner/slot he can be had for cheap or replaced for a upgrade if you want to pay someone good money or draft. I think we have alot of cap room in 2019-2022. Only 2 guys have contacts until 2022. Like 5 guys has contract until 2020. So cap room is coming in 2019. https://overthecap.com/calculator/atlanta-falcons/ Edited March 22, 2018 by AllStarHandyMan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
red falcon Posted March 22, 2018 Share Posted March 22, 2018 I would get rid if free before i would vic . You dont get rid of pass rushers with elite talent. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tribal Chief Posted March 22, 2018 Share Posted March 22, 2018 Personally, and I don’t care who disagrees, I need to see a repeat or something close to that 15 sack season to justify really considering to keep him around long term. Was it a fluke, who knows. Last season doesn’t even count. This upcoming and 2019 will tell it for me Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kiwifalcon Posted March 22, 2018 Share Posted March 22, 2018 All I need tô see from Beasley is him playing back at DE full time,oh wait a minute that's what the coaches are going to do. My bad carry on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
putnam6 Posted March 22, 2018 Share Posted March 22, 2018 Got to say no, last year they deeked around and didn't keep him at DE and he was injured. Like was also mentioned got trade him when his value is up. Left alone and healthy he is an 8-10 sack guy. Let him develope. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GET-ME-A-DB-TD Posted March 22, 2018 Share Posted March 22, 2018 5 hours ago, ChickenBiscuit said: Listen, these boards have been mind numbingly boring the past week. TD makes no moves, we complain there are no moves being made, complain that other teams are making moves and we're not, rinse and REPEAT. It's like clockwork. I'm just trying to have some semblance of an interesting discussion. If you think it's a bad idea, just state why. It's a DISCUSSION BOARD lol Lol...BOOOM! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D.B.N. Posted March 22, 2018 Share Posted March 22, 2018 No Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dawgsjw Posted March 22, 2018 Share Posted March 22, 2018 How many years does he have left? I want to see what he can do full time at DE. Im not completely sold on him. Out of the big DEF guys we got to resign, he would be lower on that list to me. Thats why I want to see what a full time at DE will do for him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dawgsjw Posted March 22, 2018 Share Posted March 22, 2018 How many years does he have left? I want to see what he can do full time at DE. Im not completely sold on him. Out of the big DEF guys we got to resign, he would be lower on that list to me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAD597 Posted March 22, 2018 Share Posted March 22, 2018 You people are plain stupid Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheDirtyWordII Posted March 22, 2018 Share Posted March 22, 2018 I wrote this back in July on Beasley... I think the drawback to trading Beasley now is since the Falcons have let 3 key pieces leave, they are extremely thin depth chart wise along the DL. What dropped my jaw this off-season were some of the contracts some pretty insignificant talent secured. Beasley is not that, but that could make extending him a bit of a puzzle. What PFF brought to light was real. Beasley can feast on bad OL play but has his impact muted when up against better OT’s. And I think it’s clear that the original vision Quinn had for him as a player has moved on to Plan B. Bealsey is entering Year 4 now, and what I would say is that he is a decent-to-good player. But that decent-to-good player is going to be looking for a contract in the $17-20M/year range next year...and I know he’s not THAT either. Part of drafting well means making some tough calls on who you extend and who you play out the string with. Beasley might fall in that latter category. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
etherdome Posted March 22, 2018 Share Posted March 22, 2018 We keep Beasley. When the time is right (next season) we will need to make some tough choices. If healthy, I see Deion Jones, Jarrett and Beasley as keepers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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