G-Dawg Mock Draft 2.0

[vel]

6 minutes ago, DawnOfThemBirds said:

 

 

 

Colts cut him due to switching to a 4-3 cover-2 scheme on defense.

 

They believed that he is more fit to the 3-4 scheme that they ran previously.

 

He should be a fit as a NT in Quinn's defense.

The Colts are idiots for cutting him. Yes, he had no dead money, but he was their best front seven player. When you lack as much talent as they do, you make it work. DQ made TJax work until he could replace him. 

[DonDaLuvMaker]

Just now, vel said:

The Colts are idiots for cutting him. Yes, he had no dead money, but he was their best front seven player. When you lack as much talent as they do, you make it work. DQ made TJax work until he could replace him. 

 

Peyton masked soo much for that organization during his time there.

 

Irsay and the Colts FO turnover since then has been very clueless. That's one of the reasons why Luck may never play or even be the same player ever again if he does.

[g-dawg]

52 minutes ago, kiwifalcon said:

That's why I believe we double dip at DT because we are looking at the long term picture here at the position mentioned.

Great information Larry I to was unaware of the above.

given what @Kayoh said w/ 2019 class being a deep class of DTs as well - I really don't see us double-dipping unless the 2nd guy just falls into our lap at great value.

[Kayoh]

1 minute ago, g-dawg said:

given what @Kayoh said w/ 2019 class being a deep class of DTs as well - I really don't see us double-dipping unless the 2nd guy just falls into our lap at great value.

this year's day 3 DTs are pretty nice but yeah, 2019 has a ridiculous load of DT talent.

[g-dawg]

Just now, Kayoh said:

this year's day 3 DTs are pretty nice but yeah, 2019 has a ridiculous load of DT talent.

and to add, I believe our front office does like to look ahead a year as well - in 2011, we traded up for Julio and the 2012 1st round was putrid - was a good year to trade up.

not talking about trades here - just taking a sneak peak to see what is coming down the pike.

[Kayoh]

1 minute ago, g-dawg said:

and to add, I believe our front office does like to look ahead a year as well - in 2011, we traded up for Julio and the 2012 1st round was putrid - was a good year to trade up.

not talking about trades here - just taking a sneak peak to see what is coming down the pike.

2016 was another great example of our FO looking ahead. Everybody in here including you wanted us to go edge rusher in the 1st or 2nd, the FO saw how great the 2017 edge class was and went SS-LB-TE-LB in the first four rounds, then got their edge rusher in 2017 when the class was loaded with talent.

[vel]

I don't see Bryan as a DT. I think Bryan is a base SDE and slides to DT in pass rush spots. If we go Bryan at #26, I'd pray we go Settle Day Two. Then I'd be excited about it. My problem with Bryan is he's clueless on majority of his plays. He's just firing of the ball and disrupting. There are so many plays where he's disrupting nothing. For as much as people complain about Duke, you'd think they'd see this on film but nope. Do I trust DQ to develop him? Yea. Do I think he gets developed? I just don't know. He reminds me so much of Rashede Hageman coming out. 

BUT! If we got a DT that can actually play 1T or bring some strong run stopping prowess in our base set, Bryan at SDE with Takk at LEOis a very disruptive DL that can stop the run and still get after the QB. Given I don't think Moore makes it to #58, give me Settle there. I love Griffin and wouldn't be mad in the slightest, even though I think two third round picks back to back on WLBs is a poor use of picks, I wouldn't complain one bit if it's on Griffin. The boy is a dawg. Period. 

I like Flowers but in this scenario, give me a WR in the fourth and take a FB in the 6th, praying Flowers falls there. I don't think we take an OG. Our interior depth is Harlow, Garland, Schweitzer. If anything I think we go OT if we take a flier on an OL. 

Overall, I could live with it and it's highly contingent upon FA moves made to sure up the DT spot, which we don't know what that will be. I'd just be very nervous if we thought Bryan could be a starting DT in our base set and teams wouldn't just trap the living shlt out of him all season. 

[Kayoh]

6 minutes ago, vel said:

I don't see Bryan as a DT. I think Bryan is a base SDE and slides to DT in pass rush spots. If we go Bryan at #26, I'd pray we go Settle Day Two. Then I'd be excited about it. My problem with Bryan is he's clueless on majority of his plays. He's just firing of the ball and disrupting. There are so many plays where he's disrupting nothing. For as much as people complain about Duke, you'd think they'd see this on film but nope. Do I trust DQ to develop him? Yea. Do I think he gets developed? I just don't know. He reminds me so much of Rashede Hageman coming out. 

BUT! If we got a DT that can actually play 1T or bring some strong run stopping prowess in our base set, Bryan at SDE with Takk at LEOis a very disruptive DL that can stop the run and still get after the QB. Given I don't think Moore makes it to #58, give me Settle there. I love Griffin and wouldn't be mad in the slightest, even though I think two third round picks back to back on WLBs is a poor use of picks, I wouldn't complain one bit if it's on Griffin. The boy is a dawg. Period. 

I like Flowers but in this scenario, give me a WR in the fourth and take a FB in the 6th, praying Flowers falls there. I don't think we take an OG. Our interior depth is Harlow, Garland, Schweitzer. If anything I think we go OT if we take a flier on an OL. 

Overall, I could live with it and it's highly contingent upon FA moves made to sure up the DT spot, which we don't know what that will be. I'd just be very nervous if we thought Bryan could be a starting DT in our base set and teams wouldn't just trap the living shlt out of him all season. 

I agree with your Bryan evaluation, but completely disagree about Settle. I don't like Settle at all, I think he's awful. If you want a 1 tech look at Bilal Nichols, if you want a 3 tech look at PJ Hall. 

[King Jigsaw]

For what it's worth (not usually that much) this is what WalterFootball had to say about DJ Moore - who was selected by the Eagles at pick 32 in today's weekly mock update.

The Eagles are in a great position to take the best player available. That could be D.J. Moore, whom some regard as a mid-first-round prospect. He would be quite the bargain at the end of the first round. 

[vel]

15 minutes ago, Kayoh said:

I agree with your Bryan evaluation, but completely disagree about Settle. I don't like Settle at all, I think he's awful. If you want a 1 tech look at Bilal Nichols, if you want a 3 tech look at PJ Hall. 

It was just an example. Just somebody who's a true DT with some size. I think Settle's combine took him all the way off DQ's board but he has a good get off on film. I just think Bryan by himself still leaves us with a hole at DT.

[Kayoh]

4 minutes ago, vel said:

It was just an example. Just somebody who's a true DT with some size. I think Settle's combine took him all the way off DQ's board but he has a good get off on film. I just think Bryan by himself still leaves us with a hole at DT.

check out Bilal Nichols and PJ Hall. they're both really good and dominated at the E/W Shrine Game.

[TheDirtyWordII]

3 hours ago, g-dawg said:

I believe we will just draft one DT and fill out the rest in FA with bodies.  I know he is a little bit of a tweener but DT/DE Jack Crawford is coming back - if we re-sign Rubin - there is three and we draft one early makes four.

Has anyone thought of this?

Garland has played sparingly in special situations at DT.   Could DQ be planning on using him some as depth and rotation given the depth at OG now?  Garland is a chess piece playing OG, C, NT.

We might just draft one DT, but we could go base DE.  We are extremely thin along the DL now with the departures of Clayborn, Poe, Shelby.  And while Crawford will be nice to get back, beyond 2018 we have but Takk, Beasley, Jarrett.  Assuming we go DT early, that makes 4 building blocks but nothing else.

As mentioned, the 1-year deals for interior lineman (on defense) seem to be becoming a trend of sorts as we're seeing quality professional players get little love in the early week(s) of FA.  So I think we'll dip in here once or twice prior to TC.  But I don't think it precludes additional early draft investment along the DL.

[TheFatboi]

4 hours ago, g-dawg said:

OK, now that the dust is settling from Unrestricted Free Agency, I think it is safe for me to whip out a mock draft.   I fully expect the Falcons to sign at least 1 Defensive Tackle in the next few weeks - probably not a household name - in free agency.    Maybe re-sign Ahtyba Rubin whom I believe is still out there - plus we get Jack Crawford back.

Brandon Fusco signing a 3yr $12.5mm deal probably puts the kibosh on taking an OG/C early as well - so Isaiah Wynn, James Daniels, Will Hernandez, and Billy Price are likely not in play.

Falcons will continue to stick w/ their theme of fast players that play fast and furious that grade high on the "CT" (competitive toughness) scale.   Here is how I see it right now - honestly, any mock draft that nails two out of the 7 picks is doing well - so take it FWIW......feel free to criticize, praise, etc.  - all discussion is good as long as done in good faith.

 

#1-026) Taven Bryan, DT/DE - Florida 6'4", 291lbs -  This guy just has a great "get-off" on the LOS and wins early.  Plays w/ leverage and has a wicked stiff-arm.   He is raw and not a long-term starter but Dan Quinn will say he has traits and he will know how to "feature him".   I see Taven Bryan as kind of a young version of Michael Bennett who can set the edge as a SDE on early run downs and kick inside and rush the passer on nickel/dime downs.    Further, you know DQ will eat up with a spoon that Taven Bryan's dad was a Navy Seal and you know that kid probably was fed nuts/bolts for breakfast - chewed it up and spit out nails.   I realize this is not an original pick but the fit is so perfect.   Bryan has more passrush than Vea or Payne and DQ will think to himself - why should I trade-up for guys that are not as versatile as Bryan who I might can get at #26?

 

#2-059) D.J. Moore, WR-Maryland (6'0", 210lbs) - While not overly tall, this is a big/thick receiver that is fast (4.42/40) and explosive (39.5" vert / 11ft broad / 6.95-3-cone).    Moore caught a lot of short passes and bubble screens and turned them into big plays.  He may need to work on his route tree and refinement but this guy is a playmaker at WR and would definitely juice-up the Falcons passing game.  He has been compared by NFL.com to Stephon Diggs and that guy is a dayum good WR.   I wanted to go defense again w/ this pick but Falcons needed another playmaker and this side of the ball cannot be ignored.  Moore has the wiggle and the extra gear.

 

#3-90) Shaqueem Griffin, LB - Central Florida (6'1", 227lbs) - yes the "one-armed guy".   I know this can feel to some like a hype pick and I have my reservations myself about the physical limitation.  However, you have to consider this - this guy doesn't play like he is limited and - if anything, it seems to drive him to simply outwork everyone.   Furthermore, this isn't just a "try hard" guy - dude is explosive as evidenced by the show he put on at the NFL combnine and running a 4.38 / 40.   Now, let's review DQ's mantra - "Competitive Toughness" - does Griffin have it?  in spades.  What else?  Speed - DQ loves speed and playmaking - does Shaq Griffin have this?  YES,  he was his conference's defensive player of the year and he tore AU a new A-Hole.   YES, I would rather take Griffin in the 4th round - as would probably 1/2 the other NFL teams - he won't make it to the late 4th round.   I realize this will be a controversial pick but this guy can cover as well - will he rack up a ton of interceptions? NO but Trufant has trouble there as well - just a small part of the overall picture.   I am not guaranteeing he will be a star at the next level - but he will be a very good player and probably a locker-room guy as well - truly an inspiration and a guy that doesn't make excuses.  This ain't charity - this guy is a player.

 

4-126) Dmitri Flowers, FB-Oklahoma (6'2", 245lbs) -  Normally it is considered heresy to take a Fullback this high - some folks believe you should not even take a FB at all.   The Falcons made a huge mistake letting Patrick DiMarco walk and it hurt our offense.   Flowers is a very similiar player to DiMarco but obviously younger.    Flowers is also a weapon in the passing game and very good pass catcher and special teams player.    While FBs don't play every down and he will be a part-time player - he will have a role in the offense, he won't be a bust, we will get production and he will offer a lot on special teams as well.   This will be a good pick.

 

#6-200) Skyler Phillips, OG/C-Idaho State (6'3", 324lbs) - credit to @Kayoh here as he turned me onto Phillips and I challenged him on the guy because Kayoh had just put a twitter loop play on there and the competition wasn't the best - but Phillips did well in all-star games and he is very strong.  The challenge and the criticism I have seen with him is sustaining blocks - he will be a developmental player but he has the power and if he can adapt to ZBS and if NFL coaches can help him, he could be a find.

 

 

#7-244) D'Montre Wade, CB-Murray State (6'0", 200lbs) - not overly fast but has twitch and traits that can be developed.   Likely a candidate for practice squad and to be developed over a few years.

http://www.nfl.com/draft/2018/profiles/dmontre-wade?id=2560174

 

#7-256) Roc Thomas, RB-Jacksonville State (5'11", 193lbs) - solid 3rd down type of back that has elusiveness and playmaking ability - can catch the ball.  More quick than fast.  Could compete w/ Terron Ward for #3 back but most likely would be a practice squad player.

http://www.nfl.com/draft/2018/profiles/roc-thomas?id=2560216

Not a bad mock G Dawg. I don’t know about FB in the 4th. I’d probably grab another DT, CB, or LB there. But other than that not bad. 

[King Jigsaw]

3 minutes ago, TheFatboi said:

Not a bad mock G Dawg. I don’t know about FB in the 4th. I’d probably grab another DT, CB, or LB there. But other than that not bad. 

Do people really still quote the OP for their short replies?

[AlabamaFalconFan]

12 minutes ago, King Jigsaw said:

Do people really still quote the OP for their short replies?

Yes

[Gold4425]

Question is Bryan that much better then Trenton Thompson who I feel we can get in the 2nd or 3rd round, leaving the 1st for someone else or a trade back? I like Griffin and what he stands for but I would go 4th round. Somehow I want Penn State's TE Geliski I think he can be a difference maker. See if you trade 26th pick back you can have 2 second round picks and possibly have them throw in a 5th then use one of the seconds for Geliski and Thompson. But you always put in good work and I respect that.

[MSalmon]

Good mock @g-dawg, I can see the Bryan pick. Moore could slip. I hear @Kayoh but things happen. I will agree that he wouldn’t be a bad pick at 26 either. Griffin is the pick I struggle with. He’s a football player, no doubt. But, I just don’t know how he’ll be at the next level. I do wish him well.

i hate FB picks, but Flowers can play H-Back and he’s a great receiver and all around Swiss Army knife. Kind of Jason Snelling-like.

good job

[Kayoh]

Just now, MSalmon said:

Good mock @g-dawg, I can see the Bryan pick. Moore could slip. I hear @Kayoh but things happen. I will agree that he wouldn’t be a bad pick at 26 either. Griffin is the pick I struggle with. He’s a football player, no doubt. But, I just don’t know how he’ll be at the next level. I do wish him well.

i hate FB picks, but Flowers can play H-Back and he’s a great receiver and all around Swiss Army knife. Kind of Jason Snelling-like.

good job

if you want an improved Jason Snelling, look up Jarvion Franklin.

[Sun Tzu 7]

5 hours ago, g-dawg said:

You haven’t forgotten about Jack Crawford have you?  I suspect he will be ready to go coming off injury.

Yes I have which speaks to the amount of faith I have in his play.  It’s probably because I don’t remember him doing anything before he got injured.

But i guess he fits the bill of a 4th string DT.  Maybe 3rd

[autigerfan]

Bryan I see as a better fit as a 3-4 end but the idea of taking a wr high is definitely growing on me.  Moore seems like a good choice in round 2.  

[MSalmon]

1 hour ago, Kayoh said:

if you want an improved Jason Snelling, look up Jarvion Franklin.

Cool, I’ll check him out.

[hudson]

A fb picked in the 4th? I stopped reading honestly