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We drafted Takk to take his spot.

We run 30% Base pkg (4-3 Under), and 60% Nickel, and maybe 10% NASCAR and Dime pkgs.

Takk is our edge pass rusher of the present and future, not Clayborn.

And Clayborn isn't the edge setting run stopper in our Base pkg.

So unfortunately we're not going to pay $5M/yr to a backup to Takk McKinley.  Just ain't gonna happen.

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Just now, Yo_Lover said:

I'm more upset about losing Poe. Y'all hungup on Clay because y'all love that mediocrity bu****

Poe had 39 tackles (23 solo), 10 QB pressures, 2.5 sacks, 4 tackles for loss on 783 snaps.

PFF rated him the 35th interior DL and "above average".

Just to put this in perspective, Grady Jarrett had 55 tackles (34 solo), 14 QB pressures, 4 sacks, 13 tackles for loss, on 794 snaps.

PFF rated him the 14th best interior DL and just below "Elite".

 

Poe's production can be replaced.  There are 3 or 4 really good 3-tech DT's right around our 26th pick (Payne, Hurst, Bryan, Phillips), and we could very easily slide Jarrett into the 1-tech, which would improve upon Poe's production, and then our first pick SHOULD be able to at the very least match "above average" production.

Crawford might even be a monster at the 3T, we really don't know yet.

Or maybe we land a 1-tech gem in mid rounds and get lucky.  Or we grab Hankins or some other FA DT cap-casualty.

But the point is, Poe wasn't very special.  Good, above average, yeah.  But his production should be able to be replaced without having to break the bank for it.

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5 minutes ago, Beef said:

Poe had 39 tackles (23 solo), 10 QB pressures, 2.5 sacks, 4 tackles for loss on 783 snaps.

PFF rated him the 35th interior DL and "above average".

Just to put this in perspective, Grady Jarrett had 55 tackles (34 solo), 14 QB pressures, 4 sacks, 13 tackles for loss, on 794 snaps.

PFF rated him the 14th best interior DL and just below "Elite".

 

Poe's production can be replaced.  There are 3 or 4 really good 3-tech DT's right around our 26th pick (Payne, Hurst, Bryan, Phillips), and we could very easily slide Jarrett into the 1-tech, which would improve upon Poe's production, and then our first pick SHOULD be able to at the very least match "above average" production.

Crawford might even be a monster at the 3T, we really don't know yet.

Or maybe we land a 1-tech gem in mid rounds and get lucky.  Or we grab Hankins or some other FA DT cap-casualty.

But the point is, Poe wasn't very special.  Good, above average, yeah.  But his production should be able to be replaced without having to break the bank for it.

I get that but I wanted a deep rotation. I wanted Poe plus one of those guys AND another edge rusher. I'm greedy man!!!

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4 minutes ago, Yo_Lover said:

I get that but I wanted a deep rotation. I wanted Poe plus one of those guys AND another edge rusher. I'm greedy man!!!

Well that's of course true too.  Can't go wrong with a deep DL.

I am 100% certain that we are not done in FA.  Some surprising cap-casualties will fall to us.

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17 minutes ago, Beef said:

Poe had 39 tackles (23 solo), 10 QB pressures, 2.5 sacks, 4 tackles for loss on 783 snaps.

PFF rated him the 35th interior DL and "above average".

Just to put this in perspective, Grady Jarrett had 55 tackles (34 solo), 14 QB pressures, 4 sacks, 13 tackles for loss, on 794 snaps.

PFF rated him the 14th best interior DL and just below "Elite".

 

Poe's production can be replaced.  There are 3 or 4 really good 3-tech DT's right around our 26th pick (Payne, Hurst, Bryan, Phillips), and we could very easily slide Jarrett into the 1-tech, which would improve upon Poe's production, and then our first pick SHOULD be able to at the very least match "above average" production.

Crawford might even be a monster at the 3T, we really don't know yet.

Or maybe we land a 1-tech gem in mid rounds and get lucky.  Or we grab Hankins or some other FA DT cap-casualty.

But the point is, Poe wasn't very special.  Good, above average, yeah.  But his production should be able to be replaced without having to break the bank for it.

I'm not crying about losing Poe, but PFF is not calibrated to rate how good NT's are in comparison to pass rushing DT's. Vince Wilfork is probably going to the Hall of Fame, but he was always ranked middle of the road because he didn't get pass rush numbers. Same with Poe. 

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35 minutes ago, Yo_Lover said:

I get that but I wanted a deep rotation. I wanted Poe plus one of those guys AND another edge rusher. I'm greedy man!!!

You aren't the only one.  Especially when you consider

1.  The number of DTs on the roster currently

2. How Quinn likes to rotate the dline.

Even if we kept Poe they still would have needed to draft a DT.

Now they have to double dip

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47 minutes ago, Beef said:

Poe had 39 tackles (23 solo), 10 QB pressures, 2.5 sacks, 4 tackles for loss on 783 snaps.

PFF rated him the 35th interior DL and "above average".

Just to put this in perspective, Grady Jarrett had 55 tackles (34 solo), 14 QB pressures, 4 sacks, 13 tackles for loss, on 794 snaps.

PFF rated him the 14th best interior DL and just below "Elite".

 

Poe's production can be replaced.  There are 3 or 4 really good 3-tech DT's right around our 26th pick (Payne, Hurst, Bryan, Phillips), and we could very easily slide Jarrett into the 1-tech, which would improve upon Poe's production, and then our first pick SHOULD be able to at the very least match "above average" production.

Crawford might even be a monster at the 3T, we really don't know yet.

Or maybe we land a 1-tech gem in mid rounds and get lucky.  Or we grab Hankins or some other FA DT cap-casualty.

But the point is, Poe wasn't very special.  Good, above average, yeah.  But his production should be able to be replaced without having to break the bank for it.

Poe's value went far beyond statistics. 

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8 minutes ago, Sun Tzu 7 said:

You aren't the only one.  Especially when you consider

1.  The number of DTs on the roster currently

2. How Quinn likes to rotate the dline.

Even if we kept Poe they still would have needed to draft a DT.

Now they have to double dip

Or they could sign one or two of the guys remaining on the market and then draft one on Day 1/2. There are a number of FA veterans that dont seem to have a huge market that could bolster the depth here. 

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7 minutes ago, KRUNKuno said:

Both Clayborn and Poe were EXTREMELY mediocre.  I have no problem letting them go.  

Without Clayborn’s 6 sack game he would’ve had like 3 or 4 on the year. 

Poe was underwhelming.  

We can get the same production from different players.  

Clayborn wasnt "extremely mediocre" at all. Perhaps a bit one dimensional but pretty solid in that dimension. 

Still, my guess is that after three years, Quinn was ready to move on from a guy that was brought in to be a solid piece of the rotation but not a long-term building block. 

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1 hour ago, Beef said:

Well that's of course true too.  Can't go wrong with a deep DL.

I am 100% certain that we are not done in FA.  Some surprising cap-casualties will fall to us.

I'm not as interested in FA at this point. The guys I liked have all been moved, so for me I'm focusing on the draft.

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6 minutes ago, Knight of God said:

I'm not as interested in FA at this point. The guys I liked have all been moved, so for me I'm focusing on the draft.

Almost all the mocks I'm seeing now have Vita Vea going to Miami at 11 (obviously because they're losing Suh), and then nobody else picks a DT until us at #26, and Da'Ron Payne falls to us.

If you watched the UGA vs. Bama NC (and I'm sure everyone here did), then we all know that Payne looked like a man amongst boys, just tossing SEC OL's around like ragdolls and making plays in the backfield.

The guy can play every position on the DL  at 6'2 310.  The 1-tech, 3-tech, even 5-tech.  And he's a better 1-tech run stuffer than he is at anything else, but he can still get incredible penetration on pass rush downs from anywhere at any time.

If Payne does fall to us, I promise you we will see ZERO dropoff from Poe's production.

At this point, I'd be quite fine with Bryan, Phillips, or Hurst too, but my heart is set on us getting Payne if we want the best possible situation.

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4 minutes ago, Beef said:

Almost all the mocks I'm seeing now have Vita Vea going to Miami at 11 (obviously because they're losing Suh), and then nobody else picks a DT until us at #26, and Da'Ron Payne falls to us.

If you watched the UGA vs. Bama NC (and I'm sure everyone here did), then we all know that Payne looked like a man amongst boys, just tossing SEC OL's around like ragdolls and making plays in the backfield.

The guy can play every position on the DL  at 6'2 310.  The 1-tech, 3-tech, even 5-tech.  And he's a better 1-tech run stuffer than he is at anything else, but he can still get incredible penetration on pass rush downs from anywhere at any time.

If Payne does fall to us, I promise you we will see ZERO dropoff from Poe's production.

At this point, I'd be quite fine with Bryan, Phillips, or Hurst too, but my heart is set on us getting Payne if we want the best possible situation.

Bro. I'm a die hard Bama fan since 1981. I don't miss Bama games. No offense, but I would miss a Falcons game before I missed Bama.

Its known very well around here.

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1 hour ago, Sun Tzu 7 said:

You aren't the only one.  Especially when you consider

1.  The number of DTs on the roster currently

2. How Quinn likes to rotate the dline.

Even if we kept Poe they still would have needed to draft a DT.

Now they have to double dip

What's the problem with double dipping when your coach is a d-line specialist.I actually hoped we were going to do that anyway.

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He wasn't expected to carry the Falcons line last year with Beasley coming off the 15 sack season, but Clayborn did alright despite most of his sacks coming in one game. Who does NE have on their line? Clayborn is going to have to carry that line, which is something he hasn't really ever done before. Also the Falcons missed his injury issues last few years. 

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4 minutes ago, Jesus said:

He wasn't expected to carry the Falcons line last year with Beasley coming off the 15 sack season, but Clayborn did alright despite most of his sacks coming in one game. Who does NE have on their line? Clayborn is going to have to carry that line, which is something he hasn't really ever done before. Also the Falcons missed his injury issues last few years. 

Trey Flowers and Derek Rivers coming off injuries.

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1 hour ago, Beef said:

Almost all the mocks I'm seeing now have Vita Vea going to Miami at 11 (obviously because they're losing Suh), and then nobody else picks a DT until us at #26, and Da'Ron Payne falls to us.

If you watched the UGA vs. Bama NC (and I'm sure everyone here did), then we all know that Payne looked like a man amongst boys, just tossing SEC OL's around like ragdolls and making plays in the backfield.

The guy can play every position on the DL  at 6'2 310.  The 1-tech, 3-tech, even 5-tech.  And he's a better 1-tech run stuffer than he is at anything else, but he can still get incredible penetration on pass rush downs from anywhere at any time.

If Payne does fall to us, I promise you we will see ZERO dropoff from Poe's production.

At this point, I'd be quite fine with Bryan, Phillips, or Hurst too, but my heart is set on us getting Payne if we want the best possible situation.

Payne is the guy I want at 26. Its rare to find a player who can shut down the run while providing pass rush from the NT spot. Players like that are extremley valueable. Not to mention his freaking 10 yard split time. The guy is a beast. 

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3 minutes ago, Knight of God said:

Trey Flowers and Derek Rivers coming off injuries.

That puts them in an interesting place. They've made crazy trades for pass rushers before, I wonder if they will do it again. I guess it all comes down to what Brady does this year.

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Clayborn was a good player but it's obvious they believe in Takk, so no point in paying that much for a back up. 

I don't know why it's difficult to see DQ's plan when building this roster. He's used vets as stopgaps to fill spots then lets a young player take over when he feels their ready. Reed was the stopgap for Vic. Worrilow for Debo and Devondre, but they grew and made him obsolete fast. Willy Mo was straight replaced for Neal and wasn't brought back even when Neal got hurt because DQ believed in Neal. Takk is replacing Clayborn now. 

Based on this, the next to be replaced are Poe and Shelby, which is why I don't see Bryan at 26 since Shelby wasn't even a starter. Unless they think they can replace Poe with a later guy like Settle or sign a guy like Logan/Bromley or move Grady to 1T. 

It's a youth movement and will be a youth movement in Atlanta under DQ for a long time. 

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4 hours ago, kiwifalcon said:

What's the problem with double dipping when your coach is a d-line specialist.I actually hoped we were going to do that anyway.

Nothing but I don’t like when you have to do it as a matter of necessity instead of competition or bpa/player value in the draft position like Jarrett.

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