Seems a lot of members have forgotten that players weren't the problem

[mashburn*Fibonacci]

Yes I would love to have Poe, but it's not happening. Never was. 

2016 we made it. Players clicked. Defense showed up second half of the season. 

2017 we thought that sark would be good enough. And there was coaching problems on offense. While defense continued. So we addressed that with pulling in a QB coach who will take over if need be, or train sark correctly. 

If coaching is fixed it doesn't matter who is on the team, just like it didn't matter in 2017. The two biggest pieces are QB and then a coach. Always has, always will. And the falcons are locking that up. 

 

So don't be freaking out how we are not signing anyone and only doing small meh player and only looking into meh players. 

[Jesus]

Yea! Darn coaches

NFL Passes Dropped
Rank	Team	Passes Dropped
1	Atlanta Falcons	30
2	New York Giants	29
3	San Francisco 49ers	29
4	Oakland Raiders	28
5	Seattle Seahawks	26
6	Jacksonville Jaguars	26
7	Indianapolis Colts	23
8	Arizona Cardinals	22
9	Chicago Bears	21
10	Cleveland Browns	21
11	Denver Broncos	21
12	Buffalo Bills	20
13	Cincinnati Bengals	20
14	Pittsburgh Steelers	20
15	Los Angeles Chargers	20
16	Baltimore Ravens	20
17	Green Bay Packers	19
18	Kansas City Chiefs	19
19	New England Patriots	19
20	Philadelphia Eagles	19
21	Minnesota Vikings	17
22	Washington Redskins	17
23	New York Jets	16
24	Tampa Bay Buccaneers	16
25	Carolina Panthers	16
26	Dallas Cowboys	15
27	Miami Dolphins	15
28	Houston Texans	14
29	Tennessee Titans	14
30	Detroit Lions	13
31	Los Angeles Rams	13
32	New Orleans Saints	12

[FalconFanSince1970]

The players were by far the biggest problem on the team last year. They under executed like a mofo. Drops, whiff blocks, underthrows, tip picks, missed tackles, overthrows, dumass penalties, butt picks, you name it.

[JayOzOne]

1 minute ago, Jesus said:

Yea! Darn coaches

NFL Passes Dropped
Rank	Team	Passes Dropped
1	Atlanta Falcons	30
2	New York Giants	29
3	San Francisco 49ers	29
4	Oakland Raiders	28
5	Seattle Seahawks	26
6	Jacksonville Jaguars	26
7	Indianapolis Colts	23
8	Arizona Cardinals	22
9	Chicago Bears	21
10	Cleveland Browns	21
11	Denver Broncos	21
12	Buffalo Bills	20
13	Cincinnati Bengals	20
14	Pittsburgh Steelers	20
15	Los Angeles Chargers	20
16	Baltimore Ravens	20
17	Green Bay Packers	19
18	Kansas City Chiefs	19
19	New England Patriots	19
20	Philadelphia Eagles	19
21	Minnesota Vikings	17
22	Washington Redskins	17
23	New York Jets	16
24	Tampa Bay Buccaneers	16
25	Carolina Panthers	16
26	Dallas Cowboys	15
27	Miami Dolphins	15
28	Houston Texans	14
29	Tennessee Titans	14
30	Detroit Lions	13
31	Los Angeles Rams	13
32	New Orleans Saints	12

Beat me to it.

[Jesus]

Just now, JayOzOne said:

Beat me to it.

I'm surprised it sat there that long with no one hitting it.

[middlegatv]

Sure the players screwed up a lot more than in 2016.

But you're kidding yourself if you think Sark isn't an issue too.

[mashburn*Fibonacci]

5 minutes ago, Jesus said:

Yea! Darn coaches

NFL Passes Dropped
Rank	Team	Passes Dropped
1	Atlanta Falcons	30
2	New York Giants	29
3	San Francisco 49ers	29
4	Oakland Raiders	28
5	Seattle Seahawks	26
6	Jacksonville Jaguars	26
7	Indianapolis Colts	23
8	Arizona Cardinals	22
9	Chicago Bears	21
10	Cleveland Browns	21
11	Denver Broncos	21
12	Buffalo Bills	20
13	Cincinnati Bengals	20
14	Pittsburgh Steelers	20
15	Los Angeles Chargers	20
16	Baltimore Ravens	20
17	Green Bay Packers	19
18	Kansas City Chiefs	19
19	New England Patriots	19
20	Philadelphia Eagles	19
21	Minnesota Vikings	17
22	Washington Redskins	17
23	New York Jets	16
24	Tampa Bay Buccaneers	16
25	Carolina Panthers	16
26	Dallas Cowboys	15
27	Miami Dolphins	15
28	Houston Texans	14
29	Tennessee Titans	14
30	Detroit Lions	13
31	Los Angeles Rams	13
32	New Orleans Saints	12

Know who teaches those players to catch and then make a move? NFL coaches. College to NFL is very different. In the NFL you'll want to make a move because you know that OLB you can feel his breath on your neck. 

[Jesus]

Just now, mashburn*Fibonacci said:

Know who teaches those players to catch and then make a move? NFL coaches. College to NFL is very different. In the NFL you'll want to make a move because you know that OLB you can feel his breath on your neck. 

Yea someone really needs to get in Julio's *** about how to catch a football since he lead the team in drops.

[Ovie_Lover]

1 minute ago, mashburn*Fibonacci said:

Know who teaches those players to catch and then make a move? NFL coaches. College to NFL is very different. In the NFL you'll want to make a move because you know that OLB you can feel his breath on your neck. 

These aren't NFL Rookies at WR tho, they know what they're doing.

[JayOzOne]

Just now, Jesus said:

I'm surprised it sat there that long with no one hitting it.

I couldn't count the number of player gaffes from last season that cost us games without losing my mind. The thing that irritates me the most is that those tip interceptions were mostly game changers. Even Neal kicking the ball to the Iggle at the end of the first half in the playoffs was HUGE. And it was our best players doing a lot of it. Julio's drop in Charlotte was indicative of how things went. From that moment, I kind of knew that it wasn't our year. Not disrespecting Mash at all, but our biggest problem was players last season.

Now, if you want to blame coaching, blame it for getting away from zone blocking, which took away from Free and Teco's strengths as runners. Blame coaching for not figuring out how to utilize Gabriel. Blame it for limiting Ryan to what seemed like five or six basic passing plays all year long. But even in those cases, the failures were on the part of the players who didn't execute. I swear, it looked like they were all thinking about what they were going to eat after the game all season long.

[JayOzOne]

6 minutes ago, mashburn*Fibonacci said:

Know who teaches those players to catch and then make a move? NFL coaches. College to NFL is very different. In the NFL you'll want to make a move because you know that OLB you can feel his breath on your neck. 

Julio dropped seven passes and Mo dropped six. Coaches are teaching them new routes, not how to catch the ball.

[Jesus]

Just now, JayOzOne said:

I couldn't count the number of player gaffes from last season that cost us games without losing my mind. The thing that irritates me the most is that those tip interceptions were mostly game changers. Even Neal kicking the ball to the Iggle at the end of the first half in the playoffs was HUGE. And it was our best players doing a lot of it. Julio's drop in Charlotte was indicative of how things went. From that moment, I kind of knew that it wasn't our year. Not disrespecting Mash at all, but our biggest problem was players last season.

Now, if you want to blame coaching, blame it for getting away from zone blocking, which took away from Free and Teco's strengths as runners. Blame coaching for not figuring out how to utilize Gabriel. Blame it for limiting Ryan to what seemed like five or six basic passing plays all year long. But even in those cases, the failures were on the part of the players who didn't execute. I swear, it looked like they were all thinking about what they were going to eat after the game all season long.

The team was in a funk last year. You can blame the SB hangover thing, but I'm not sure. That sounds like an excuse. They just seemed to be off. Even despite all of that they were still one play away from returning to the NFCCG as a 6th seed.

The coaches see what is wrong on the team and are committed to fixing it without breaking the bank or breaking up the team.

[ChickenBiscuit]

Whole timing of our offense was off in 2017. Drops happen when you're throwing up a lot of contested passes, or trying to fit it into coverage when the play started to break down.

2016 we had dudes wide open all over the field and Ryan was a surgeon. Our receivers just weren't even close to as open in 2017.

[JayOzOne]

Just now, Jesus said:

The team was in a funk last year. You can blame the SB hangover thing, but I'm not sure. That sounds like an excuse. They just seemed to be off. Even despite all of that they were still one play away from returning to the NFCCG as a 6th seed.

The coaches see what is wrong on the team and are committed to fixing it without breaking the bank or breaking up the team.

How do you fix concentration, though? And with veterans? If any coach can figure it out, it's Quinn, who is the most out of the box thinker in the league. But we easily played well enough on D to win 13 games last year (and the divisional playoff game). It always comes down to little things, so I guess it's back to coaching fundamentals.

[FalconFanSince1969]

 

Stupid coaches.....

[JayOzOne]

1 minute ago, ChickenBiscuit said:

Whole timing of our offense was off in 2017. Drops happen when you're throwing up a lot of contested passes, or trying to fit it into coverage when the play started to break down.

2016 we had dudes wide open all over the field and Ryan was a surgeon. Our receivers just weren't even close to as open in 2017.

A ton of our drops (and tip interceptions) were not contested or caused when the play broke down.

 

[Jesus]

That Neal pick wins that game.

[JayOzOne]

Just now, Jesus said:

That Neal pick wins that game.

I knew right then that we would lose. The field goal was the difference between us winning with Bryant or needing a touchdown at the end. Just like the '12 NFCCG and **cough** LI.

[Jesus]

8 minutes ago, JayOzOne said:

How do you fix concentration, though? And with veterans? If any coach can figure it out, it's Quinn, who is the most out of the box thinker in the league. But we easily played well enough on D to win 13 games last year (and the divisional playoff game). It always comes down to little things, so I guess it's back to coaching fundamentals.

Here is what an award winning high school OC told me once when. We were volunteering to help coach our kid's pee wee teams:

It's about instinct and preparation. When guys think too much on the field they lose seconds and make mistakes. 

In 2016 the offense was the definition of precision. You could count the seconds until guys were open and the ball was in their hands. 

That was missing last year. Matt was waiting. Guys were open and he was not seeing them. I don't know about preparation in 2017 but it wasn't the same.

[Jesus]

5 minutes ago, JayOzOne said:

I knew right then that we would lose. The field goal was the difference between us winning with Bryant or needing a touchdown at the end. Just like the '12 NFCCG and **cough** LI.

Or the pack picking off Matt before the half in 2010 and running the table.

[B_84falcons]

35 minutes ago, Jesus said:

Yea! Darn coaches

NFL Passes Dropped
Rank	Team	Passes Dropped
1	Atlanta Falcons	30
2	New York Giants	29
3	San Francisco 49ers	29
4	Oakland Raiders	28
5	Seattle Seahawks	26
6	Jacksonville Jaguars	26
7	Indianapolis Colts	23
8	Arizona Cardinals	22
9	Chicago Bears	21
10	Cleveland Browns	21
11	Denver Broncos	21
12	Buffalo Bills	20
13	Cincinnati Bengals	20
14	Pittsburgh Steelers	20
15	Los Angeles Chargers	20
16	Baltimore Ravens	20
17	Green Bay Packers	19
18	Kansas City Chiefs	19
19	New England Patriots	19
20	Philadelphia Eagles	19
21	Minnesota Vikings	17
22	Washington Redskins	17
23	New York Jets	16
24	Tampa Bay Buccaneers	16
25	Carolina Panthers	16
26	Dallas Cowboys	15
27	Miami Dolphins	15
28	Houston Texans	14
29	Tennessee Titans	14
30	Detroit Lions	13
31	Los Angeles Rams	13
32	New Orleans Saints	12

Can't argue statistics

[B_84falcons]

15 minutes ago, FalconFanSince1969 said:

 

Stupid coaches.....

 

[FalconsIn2012]

37 minutes ago, Jesus said:

Yea! Darn coaches

NFL Passes Dropped
Rank	Team	Passes Dropped
1	Atlanta Falcons	30
2	New York Giants	29
3	San Francisco 49ers	29
4	Oakland Raiders	28
5	Seattle Seahawks	26
6	Jacksonville Jaguars	26
7	Indianapolis Colts	23
8	Arizona Cardinals	22
9	Chicago Bears	21
10	Cleveland Browns	21
11	Denver Broncos	21
12	Buffalo Bills	20
13	Cincinnati Bengals	20
14	Pittsburgh Steelers	20
15	Los Angeles Chargers	20
16	Baltimore Ravens	20
17	Green Bay Packers	19
18	Kansas City Chiefs	19
19	New England Patriots	19
20	Philadelphia Eagles	19
21	Minnesota Vikings	17
22	Washington Redskins	17
23	New York Jets	16
24	Tampa Bay Buccaneers	16
25	Carolina Panthers	16
26	Dallas Cowboys	15
27	Miami Dolphins	15
28	Houston Texans	14
29	Tennessee Titans	14
30	Detroit Lions	13
31	Los Angeles Rams	13
32	New Orleans Saints	12

Did any of those drops impact the Eagles game?  And the Julio play at the end of regulation wasn’t a drop.  It was a poor offensive gameplan that cost us the game.

 If you need a reminder, watch the All Sark No Bite analysis

[Jesus]

4 minutes ago, Falconsin2012 said:

Did any of those drops impact the Eagles game?  And the Julio play at the end of regulation wasn’t a drop.  It was a poor offensive gameplan that cost us the game.

 If you need a reminder, watch the All Sark No Bite analysis

Derp that's regular season. Kneals drop cost the Eagles game. 

[JayOzOne]

3 minutes ago, Falconsin2012 said:

Did any of those drops impact the Eagles game?  And the Julio play at the end of regulation wasn’t a drop.  It was a poor offensive gameplan that cost us the game.

 If you need a reminder, watch the All Sark No Bite analysis

Those were drops from the regular season. But I remember at least one drop in the Eagles game. And I count Neal's flub to be part of the same malaise. He will make that catch 19 out of 20 times but he kneed it, not into the turf which would probably have been good enough for us to win, but into the hands of a streaking receiver who ran out of bounds with enough time to kick a half-ending field goal.