kiwifalcon Posted March 17, 2018 Share Posted March 17, 2018 1 hour ago, ya_boi_j said: So duke Riley clearly has no shot at improving? If I remember correctly this very board, yourself included maybe, wanted Campbell benched and replaced his rookie year and then last season it was nothing but praise. One thing to remember and it’s important, every single player that’s getting these big contracts struggled at one point in their career and still have things they struggle with. There aren’t many that come in day one and play all pro football instantly Rileys been there for 5 minutes and the instant gratification crowd have the knives out already then if or when he comes round they disappear.Here in lies where fans have to understand that not everyone develops at the same rate. He had a rough first year for sure but alot of rookies do. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tribal Chief Posted March 17, 2018 Share Posted March 17, 2018 1 minute ago, kiwifalcon said: Rileys been there for 5 minutes and the instant gratification crowd have the knives out already then if or when he comes round they disappear.Here in lies where fans have to understand that not everyone develops at the same rate. He had a rough first year for sure but alot of rookies do. I blame guys like luke kuechly or however you spell his name Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ramonezy Posted March 17, 2018 Share Posted March 17, 2018 4 minutes ago, kiwifalcon said: You mention the drop off how bout talking about the improvement around the position for example do you see Beasley Takk and Jarrett improving or do you think there talent is tapped out? See this is the point your assuming a rookie has to come in and play at Poes level which is a joke the slack will be picked up around him and the mentioned just has to come in and do his job and develop. As for Clayborn leaving I think it was planned to release him anyway.Whats the point in drafting a guy like Takk to sit him back and watch as a situational pass rusher we did that last year and now with the mentioned release Takk gets more playing time in the rotation with Reed and Beasley. I'll put it another way. If Takk replaces Clay, then who replaces Takk? This draft is not deep on rushers and our first two picks may go to interior linemen. The overall production of the defense will suffer, because there is simply no depth. And we all know what happens when a defense gets tired... Also can't say that we planned to release Clay, it was reported that we were one of five teams trying to sign him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kiwifalcon Posted March 17, 2018 Share Posted March 17, 2018 59 minutes ago, Dirtybird3 said: Anywhere in my post did I say our defense sucks? We lost a kog in the middle and our leading sacker from last year and you think our defense is improving? Yall can be as optimistic as yall want, I don't get on yall for that. But me hoping and wishing doesn't do much for me. Teams that were stronger are getting stronger, while we to this point have not done much to get better let alone make up for our defencincies.. Besides a possible starting guard from the 9ers So we lost those 2 guys right so are you saying guys like Jarrett Beasley Takk Debo Neal Trufant Alford Campbell can't improve here or what.Are you saying what we've lost is irreplaceable.I don't get the narrative your trying to get across here. 1. Clayborn release was planned why else are you drafting Takk.They held him back last year snap count wise and now that will be picked up in a rotation with Reed and Beasley. 2.Poe tough release but it had to be done there are a number of ways we can fix this platoon his snaps with a vet like Rubin and a draftee.As above tough release but not unfixable like alot are making out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B_84falcons Posted March 17, 2018 Share Posted March 17, 2018 25 minutes ago, ramonezy said: See Patriots.... that actually had less cap space than us but have already added Clay, Danny Shelton and Jeremy Hill Patriots also lost their best offensive lineman, best rb and received Shelton through trade Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kiwifalcon Posted March 17, 2018 Share Posted March 17, 2018 Just now, ramonezy said: I'll put it another way. If Takk replaces Clay, then who replaces Takk? This draft is not deep on rushers and our first two picks may go to interior linemen. The overall production of the defense will suffer, because there is simply no depth. And we all know what happens when a defense gets tired... Also can't say that we planned to release Clay, it was reported that we were one of five teams trying to sign him. No one replaces Takk you have enough versatility in Reed,Takk,Crawford and Beasley to mix your players for run v pass. Depth please they can still add that.Bringing back Rubin and double dipping in the draft solves that DT depth issue if they feel they need to. One of 5 to sign him yeah ok I think if we really wanted to keep him he wouldn't have hit FA.All the Falcons guy's that were allowed to test FA are planned let goes.They can use whatever speak they want but when the GM comes out and says we allowing this guy and that to test the above there pretty much on the way out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ramonezy Posted March 17, 2018 Share Posted March 17, 2018 6 minutes ago, kiwifalcon said: No one replaces Takk you have enough versatility in Reed,Takk,Crawford and Beasley to mix your players for run v pass. Depth please they can still add that.Bringing back Rubin and double dipping in the draft solves that DT depth issue if they feel they need to. One of 5 to sign him yeah ok I think if we really wanted to keep him he wouldn't have hit FA.All the Falcons guy's that were allowed to test FA are planned let goes.They can use whatever speak they want but when the GM comes out and says we allowing this guy and that to test the above there pretty much on the way out. Disagree... teams will allow their players to test the market with hopes that they can sign them at a reasonable price... thus has already happened several times this off-season. Doesn't mean they're not interested... simply means there is a limit. The facys are that Clay had over 550 snaps last season and Takk had over 400.To say that Takk will take over from Clay is saying he'll play 900 snaps and DQ will not do that to his rushers. Also replacing Poe is not as simple as you're making it out to be... Poe commanded a double team and allowed Jarrett to eat. But he could also rush from the interior. I cant imagine a player like Rubin filling those traits... at most he's a big body to clog lanes, but there will be zero rush threat. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dirtybird3 Posted March 17, 2018 Share Posted March 17, 2018 58 minutes ago, ya_boi_j said: Poe was good but no where near as special as what Grady displayed. Clayborn racked up a huge percentage of his sacks against a 3rd stringer. I know y’all don’t care how he got them yadda yadda but that Did not make him anything special. Outside of that one game he was average as ****. So they didn’t lose much at all if we’re gonna be realistic. Teams are doing what they’re able to do which is spend money. Thank your man td for that. Last I remember most of the board was excited when all these big contracts were dished out to tru, Alf, Julio, free and Ryan. Let’s not forget the love for picking up the 5th year options on players who haven’t truly played up to those cap hits. But with Poe gone and Grady getting double team that own falls on someone lesser. Regardless of how you break it down and next man up we have yet to see, from a roster stand point, replacements yet.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kiwifalcon Posted March 17, 2018 Share Posted March 17, 2018 1 minute ago, ramonezy said: Disagree... teams will allow their players to test the market with hopes that they can sign them at a reasonable price... thus has already happened several times this off-season. Doesn't mean they're not interested... simply means there is a limit. The facys are that Clay had over 550 snaps last season and Takk had over 400.To say that Takk will take over from Clay is saying he'll play 900 snaps and DQ will not do that to his rushers. Also replacing Poe is not as simple as you're making it out to be... Poe commanded a double team and allowed Jarrett to eat. But he could also rush from the interior. I cant imagine a player like Rubin filling those traits... at most he's a big body to clog lanes, but there will be zero rush threat. No no no no in a rotation with Reed Takk and Beasley you spread that out amongst those 3 and throw in Crawford if you want a bigger line up to defend the run on the edge. Your looking at it like this is black n white I'm telling you now it isn't. Poes job is replaceable you just don the want to see it. Ive mentioned options which you don't agree with fair enough but sitting there saying Poe and Clayborn are the reasons this defense is going to go backwards isn't it. The only reason this team goes backwards on that side of the ball is if the drafted and incoming defensive talent doesn't step up it won't be because of what we lose. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dirtybird3 Posted March 17, 2018 Share Posted March 17, 2018 56 minutes ago, ramonezy said: I am with you 100%... i have to laugh when I read some of the arguments put forward on this board. With the exception of the Falcons, EVERY contender has made a move this free agency, there was talent at every position and every age group at every price. If we didn't need a player like Poe, why did we sign him last free agency then. Not sure how many persons were doing the math, but Schaub signed a $9m/2yrs deal and never saw the field once. Our leader in sacks just went to a contender for peanuts... with a $3m signing bonus, we could have used the same Schaub deal to keep Clay. If money was the issue, I'd also rather Clay for two years than Fusco for three... cuz we could have gotten a guard in the draft. You don't replace Poe with a rookie and expect there won't be a drop-off. You didn't say it but I will, unless we wake up in free agency our defense will be worse That's what boggles my mind is the backlash lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dirtybird3 Posted March 17, 2018 Share Posted March 17, 2018 31 minutes ago, kiwifalcon said: So we lost those 2 guys right so are you saying guys like Jarrett Beasley Takk Debo Neal Trufant Alford Campbell can't improve here or what.Are you saying what we've lost is irreplaceable.I don't get the narrative your trying to get across here. 1. Clayborn release was planned why else are you drafting Takk.They held him back last year snap count wise and now that will be picked up in a rotation with Reed and Beasley. 2.Poe tough release but it had to be done there are a number of ways we can fix this platoon his snaps with a vet like Rubin and a draftee.As above tough release but not unfixable like alot are making out. I'm saying that physically when some one leaves, someone has to replace them. Now Grady gets doubled and game planned for, who's eating up those others? Just from a talent level there is a downgrade at some point when two starters leave. How are you guys arguing that? All I've said is teams are adding pieces and depth and we have not, some as that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tribal Chief Posted March 17, 2018 Share Posted March 17, 2018 17 minutes ago, Dirtybird3 said: But with Poe gone and Grady getting double team that own falls on someone lesser. Regardless of how you break it down and next man up we have yet to see, from a roster stand point, replacements yet.. Poe was not as special as you guys make him out to be Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dirtybird3 Posted March 17, 2018 Share Posted March 17, 2018 39 minutes ago, ya_boi_j said: Poe was not as special as you guys make him out to be Yet he was the starter, so the same coach your telling us to belive in and trust his process is the same one who felt he was the more talented to start. But ok breh whatever point you're tryna make you got it.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tribal Chief Posted March 17, 2018 Share Posted March 17, 2018 27 minutes ago, Dirtybird3 said: Yet he was the starter, so the same coach your telling us to belive in and trust his process is the same one who felt he was the more talented to start. But ok breh whatever point you're tryna make you got it.. He was a starter because of his contract. Guess who they allowed to walk and plan on extending....... that should tell you who they feel is more important. Poe did not earn the money he signed for in Carolina and it will show. If you really wanted the falcons to pay that to him then that says a lot Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kiwifalcon Posted March 17, 2018 Share Posted March 17, 2018 1 hour ago, Dirtybird3 said: I'm saying that physically when some one leaves, someone has to replace them. Now Grady gets doubled and game planned for, who's eating up those others? Just from a talent level there is a downgrade at some point when two starters leave. How are you guys arguing that? All I've said is teams are adding pieces and depth and we have not, some as that. Down grade you can't say that yet because you don't know what we are replacing it with.Your just assuming because we are losing these 2 guys we are automatically going to be worse. Its almost as though you don't want to entertain the possibilities that have been presented and the fact we have a coach who specialises in coaching up d-line talent up.Also recognises good d-line talent and actually knows how to deploy it. But I guess if you've already made your mind up fair enough. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kiwifalcon Posted March 17, 2018 Share Posted March 17, 2018 1 hour ago, ya_boi_j said: Poe was not as special as you guys make him out to be I tell you what Poe was a nice piece but the idea that some are coming up with with regards to losing him are all wrong. The idea that Poe and Clayborn aren't replaceable before we have finished FA haven't even entered the draft and waivers or trade possibilities are just mind blowing to me. They automatically have made there minds up that the defense has already gone backwards before any of the above has finished and pretend to think what the roster looks like now is what it's going to become at the seasons start. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Atl Falcon Posted March 17, 2018 Share Posted March 17, 2018 4 hours ago, athell said: Falcon fans since FA started...I hope for the rest of our sakes that Matt gets his deal done so TD AND DQ SIGN SOMEONE OMG so we get the final reaction in this gif. For real. Some of you acting like a spoiled little girl whose father won't buy them everything they want. Grow the eff up. You can be such a ***** bag at times.....not worth the entertainment Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lethal Posted March 17, 2018 Share Posted March 17, 2018 10 minutes ago, Falcon mama said: You can be such a ***** bag at times.....not worth the entertainment Feel free not to quote me then! If you gonna quote me, then I guess just deal with it! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tribal Chief Posted March 17, 2018 Share Posted March 17, 2018 11 minutes ago, Falcon mama said: You can be such a ***** bag at times.....not worth the entertainment You can be such a whiney kid at times. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tribal Chief Posted March 17, 2018 Share Posted March 17, 2018 18 minutes ago, kiwifalcon said: I tell you what Poe was a nice piece but the idea that some are coming up with with regards to losing him are all wrong. The idea that Poe and Clayborn aren't replaceable before we have finished FA haven't even entered the draft and waivers or trade possibilities are just mind blowing to me. They automatically have made there minds up that the defense has already gone backwards before any of the above has finished and pretend to think what the roster looks like now is what it's going to become at the seasons start. Which is completely STUPID Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Atl Falcon Posted March 17, 2018 Share Posted March 17, 2018 Just now, athell said: Feel free not to quote me then! If you gonna quote me, then I guess just deal with it! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Atl Falcon Posted March 17, 2018 Share Posted March 17, 2018 1 minute ago, ya_boi_j said: You can be such a whiney kid at times. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kiwifalcon Posted March 17, 2018 Share Posted March 17, 2018 1 minute ago, ya_boi_j said: Which is completely STUPID Lol and just when they say it the Kendricks trade rumour is started and Johnathan Hankins is getting released from the Colts lol nah but according to them the off seasons over Hahahahaha. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tribal Chief Posted March 17, 2018 Share Posted March 17, 2018 1 minute ago, kiwifalcon said: Lol and just when they say it the Kendricks trade rumour is started and Johnathan Hankins is getting released from the Colts lol nah but according to them the off seasons over Hahahahaha. Lmao Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MoFalconsFan56 Posted March 17, 2018 Share Posted March 17, 2018 2 hours ago, ya_boi_j said: Poe was not as special as you guys make him out to be This is incredibly true Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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