FalconsIn2012 Posted March 17, 2018 Share Posted March 17, 2018 Does anyone else find our CAP distribution troubling? If we can’t start drafting talent on offense we are going to see many young studs we drafted walk out the door. We currently have 21 players on defense and they account for 51 million (28th in NFL). Meanwhile on Offense we have 27 players who eat up $108,000,000 in CAP (2nd in NFL) 64% of our CAP goes to the offense. We need more balance over the next few years IMO Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GeorgiaBoyz Posted March 17, 2018 Share Posted March 17, 2018 We will in due time .. the only guys who are locks to be paid for the long haul is Matt & Julio an Julio is definitely on a pitch count compared to Matt . Guys like Sanu, Freeman, Levitre, Fresco, Mack days are all numbered so to speak . I say that because they’re older & paid more than our young guys on Defense who will be due 2nd contracts soon. Neal, Grady, Debo, Vic & Campbell are gonna change this allotment within a year or 2. Then Takk .. by the time Takk gets his all those guys I listed on offense above will be gone . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Butudontseeme™ Posted March 17, 2018 Share Posted March 17, 2018 I’d imagine teams with franchise QBs are all pretty heavily weighted toward the offense, especially if the guy is the $20 mil + type. Honestly, I think part of the problem is the rules involving the salary cap. IMO, the salary cap should consist of the bottom 52 salaries on the roster instead of the top 50. It penalizes teams who have franchise type players when the time comes to pay them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
falcons007 Posted March 17, 2018 Share Posted March 17, 2018 It’s combination of draft and FA. As long as they both balance it’s no big deal. Falcons under TD had focused mostly on Defense in top 3 rounds. If the Falcons start paying Garrett, Vic, Allen, Neal and Debo on defense, they would be forced to draft offense in 1-3 rounds. I am ok with Picking the defense in draft and spending money on offense in FA. TD and DQ have drafted well on the defense. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
etherdome Posted March 17, 2018 Share Posted March 17, 2018 3 hours ago, Butudontseeme™ said: I’d imagine teams with franchise QBs are all pretty heavily weighted toward the offense, especially if the guy is the $20 mil + type. Honestly, I think part of the problem is the rules involving the salary cap. IMO, the salary cap should consist of the bottom 52 salaries on the roster instead of the top 50. It penalizes teams who have franchise type players when the time comes to pay them. QB salaries are major outliers. They often cost more than twice the next salary on every team. For that reason, I propose that QB salaries not be adjusted for cap calculations. For example, divide the annual salary by 2 before counting agains the cap. As mentioned in an earlier post, most team's salaries will be weighted towards the offense because of the cost of maintaining a franchise QB. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Knight of God Posted March 17, 2018 Share Posted March 17, 2018 4 hours ago, Falconsin2012 said: Does anyone else find our CAP distribution troubling? If we can’t start drafting talent on offense we are going to see many young studs we drafted walk out the door. We currently have 21 players on defense and they account for 51 million (28th in NFL). Meanwhile on Offense we have 27 players who eat up $108,000,000 in CAP (2nd in NFL) 64% of our CAP goes to the offense. We need more balance over the next few years IMO I was thinking it, but hey. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UnrealfalcoN Posted March 17, 2018 Share Posted March 17, 2018 The guys on offense arent getting new contracts unless their name is Ryan, Julio or mathews. The young guys on defense on the other hand are gonna get big contracts. Guys like Grady, Deion, Beasley, keanu, campbell, rico allen etc are gonna tie up some money in abt 2 years. Lets revisit this thread then Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FalconFanSince1969 Posted March 17, 2018 Share Posted March 17, 2018 Look at any team with a top qb and you'll see the same. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FalconsIn2012 Posted March 17, 2018 Author Share Posted March 17, 2018 (edited) 1 hour ago, FalconFanSince1969 said: Look at any team with a top qb and you'll see the same. New England has 48% of their CAP on offense (Brady CAP $22,000,000) Seattle has 40% (Russell Wilson CAP $24,000,000) Falcons at 64% (MR CAP $21,000,000) Edited March 17, 2018 by Falconsin2012 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UnrealfalcoN Posted March 17, 2018 Share Posted March 17, 2018 38 minutes ago, Falconsin2012 said: New England has 48% of their CAP on offense (Brady CAP $22,000,000) Seattle has 40% (Russell Wilson CAP $24,000,000) Falcons at 64% (MR CAP $21,000,000) Neither of them have the number 1 WR, one of the best WR2, top 5 RB or top 5 center on their payroll. Simple math Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
falcons007 Posted March 17, 2018 Share Posted March 17, 2018 1 hour ago, Falconsin2012 said: New England has 48% of their CAP on offense (Brady CAP $22,000,000) Seattle has 40% (Russell Wilson CAP $24,000,000) Falcons at 64% (MR CAP $21,000,000) It’s not just QB. How many top 3 round offensive players did Falcons pick under TD and how many defense? It will change when the Falcons decide to play the good young defensive players. The Falcons will be forced to pick Drafts with more offensive players. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
falcons007 Posted March 17, 2018 Share Posted March 17, 2018 55 minutes ago, UnrealfalcoN said: Neither of them have the number 1 WR, one of the best WR2, top 5 RB or top 5 center on their payroll. Simple math Falcons OL almost takes up 50 M in cap space. The Falcons haven’t had much success in draft because they focus on D most of the years. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FalconFanSince1970 Posted March 17, 2018 Share Posted March 17, 2018 9 hours ago, Falconsin2012 said: Does anyone else find our CAP distribution troubling? If we can’t start drafting talent on offense we are going to see many young studs we drafted walk out the door. We currently have 21 players on defense and they account for 51 million (28th in NFL). Meanwhile on Offense we have 27 players who eat up $108,000,000 in CAP (2nd in NFL) 64% of our CAP goes to the offense. We need more balance over the next few years IMO I've been posting about this for years. Believe it or not it used to be even more imbalanced with closer to an 80/20 split. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FalconFanSince1970 Posted March 17, 2018 Share Posted March 17, 2018 1 hour ago, UnrealfalcoN said: Neither of them have the number 1 WR, one of the best WR2, top 5 RB or top 5 center on their payroll. Simple math But they have rings. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UnrealfalcoN Posted March 17, 2018 Share Posted March 17, 2018 1 hour ago, FalconFanSince1970 said: But they have rings. That's good for them, and we all want to get there. But the point is, most of their money goes to towards the QB more than any other other player. SEA was paying for Jimmy Graham though, ill give them that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Butudontseeme™ Posted March 17, 2018 Share Posted March 17, 2018 2 hours ago, Falconsin2012 said: New England has 48% of their CAP on offense (Brady CAP $22,000,000) Seattle has 40% (Russell Wilson CAP $24,000,000) Falcons at 64% (MR CAP $21,000,000) So Seattle is unbalanced the opposite way (I wonder if these numbers are counted before or after Bennett and Sherman left). Either way, Seattle is a pretty good example of what happens when you never invest in offense. I’d say these percentages are pretty all over the spectrum with a team like NE being probably the closest to 50/50 there is. Where do you see this at? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Domed Outter Posted March 17, 2018 Share Posted March 17, 2018 Why is it troubling? With consistently good drafts, it should result in balanced drafts, and the cycle goes on. If Quinn prefers to work with players drafted, then of course the defensive players won't be using as much of the cap as the other side. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FalconsIn2012 Posted March 17, 2018 Author Share Posted March 17, 2018 5 hours ago, UnrealfalcoN said: Neither of them have the number 1 WR, one of the best WR2, top 5 RB or top 5 center on their payroll. Simple math That’s the point, right? Our offense assumes too much of our CAP. You don’t need #1 players at every skill position. Especially when the offense was 8th out of 16 in the NFC Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jgentry162 Posted March 17, 2018 Share Posted March 17, 2018 Cap money is almost always more on offense when you have a top tier qb Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FalconsIn2012 Posted March 17, 2018 Author Share Posted March 17, 2018 12 minutes ago, jgentry162 said: Cap money is almost always more on offense when you have a top tier qb It should be slightly higher. Not 60,000,000 vs 108,000,000 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
capologist Posted March 17, 2018 Share Posted March 17, 2018 16 minutes ago, Falconsin2012 said: It should be slightly higher. Not 60,000,000 vs 108,000,000 It goes in cycles. The cap money tends to follow the age... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
falconfanatic365 Posted March 18, 2018 Share Posted March 18, 2018 (edited) that's the way it goes when you have a young defense that you just allocated by far the majority of it's draft picks towards and a talented franchise QB who will never give a Brady or Brees like discount to help the team. Edited March 18, 2018 by falconfanatic365 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moist Words Posted March 18, 2018 Share Posted March 18, 2018 When the young guys (Vic, Debo, Jarrett, Neal) get their contracts it's going to balance out. And that's if we can keep all of them... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FalconsIn2012 Posted March 18, 2018 Author Share Posted March 18, 2018 (edited) 4 hours ago, Jpowers said: When the young guys (Vic, Debo, Jarrett, Neal) get their contracts it's going to balance out. And that's if we can keep all of them... And how do we compensate for having $25,000,000 less to spend on offense. Imagine us without Sanu, Mack, Freeman & Schraeder? Edited March 18, 2018 by Falconsin2012 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moist Words Posted March 18, 2018 Share Posted March 18, 2018 1 minute ago, Falconsin2012 said: And how do we compensate for having $25,000,000 less to spend on offense. Imagine us without Sanu, Mack, Freeman & Schraeder? Honestly.....we probably don't. There's going to come a day when we have to let go of/cut a good player because we're planning for the future contract of another good player and this board is going to be unbearable. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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