TheFatboi Posted March 4, 2018 Share Posted March 4, 2018 11 minutes ago, Vandy said: I hear ya fatboi, and agree up to a point. Quinn definetely is in those coaches league in evaluating talent for his scheme...by far best we’ve ever had in that area. where he’s not shown me to be in their league is situationally making the right decisions at the right times in games. Not just in the SB either, but I keep seeing him make panicky type decisions that make me question if he is freezing up in close games...I know that’s harsh and all coaches have a learning curve like B.B. did in Cleveland, but until he improves in that area, it makes me wonder about him in that regard.... players like Bennett/Poe et al want to come play for Quinn, but he needs to win one for that to continue. My bigger point is we need to win it now...with a couple smart FA moves ( like a Bennett + a vet OG signing) and a quality draft (and a little luck health wise) I think this could be our year. Do that, and I agree we could go on a multi-year NE type run. I agree with you. We need to win now. That’s blanks sentiment and also Quinn’s. The whole team. If not Freeman wouldn’t have tweeted what he did. That’s our team mindset. As for Quinn I agree with that too with his situational coaching. I think all young coaches go thru that before they figure it out. I think he will. I saw growth this past season. Even tho he still needs work he’s a work in progress. What I do like that he does is he trusts and believes in his players. Mark of hall if fame hc’s Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vandy Posted March 4, 2018 Share Posted March 4, 2018 2 minutes ago, Jpowers said: I wouldn't do that either. LOL Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hingle McCringleberry Posted March 4, 2018 Share Posted March 4, 2018 9 minutes ago, papachaz said: and the past few years we've actually done pretty dang well......there's a common denominator, care to take a guess???? Marquand Manual? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
papachaz Posted March 4, 2018 Share Posted March 4, 2018 Just now, Asault86 said: Marquand Manual? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheFatboi Posted March 4, 2018 Share Posted March 4, 2018 3 minutes ago, papachaz said: yeah last years draft wasn't quite as good as the previous two, and yeah I realize he probably had SOME say in SEA but maybe not a lot....but I'll take it! I know our last 3 all together probably have a better overall grade than the previous 4 or 5, and that includes the one with Julio in it.... We already had a core of talent in place. So we didn’t need everything to be starter material. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gazoo Posted March 4, 2018 Share Posted March 4, 2018 No thanks man. I want to go to games and enjoy football without media circus distractions followed by unending commentary from the talking heads that has nothing to do with football. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snafu Posted March 4, 2018 Share Posted March 4, 2018 My only concern w/ bringing in Bennett is that Quinn may make Takk the rotation piece rather than Bennett. Takk needs to be featured this season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
papachaz Posted March 4, 2018 Share Posted March 4, 2018 2 minutes ago, gazoo said: No thanks man. I want to go to games and enjoy football without media circus distractions followed by unending commentary from the talking heads that has nothing to do with football. so you've quit watching pro games altogether??? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Knight of God Posted March 4, 2018 Share Posted March 4, 2018 I’d rather draft a starter at every position and not need them, than need them and not have them. As far as Bennett, huge upgrade to Clayborn. Huge. Then draft like your life depends on it and take the training wheels off. Smell some blood and attack. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheFatboi Posted March 4, 2018 Share Posted March 4, 2018 1 minute ago, gazoo said: No thanks man. I want to go to games and enjoy football without media circus distractions followed by unending commentary from the talking heads that has nothing to do with football. How exactly would he be a distraction? This is Matt and Julio’s team. He can’t come here and be the same michael Bennett he is in Seattle. Actually he makes me laugh. The boycott is done. Everybody is back to playing football. And being in a chocolate city is just what he needs. Atl is made for a payer like Bennett. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Knight of God Posted March 4, 2018 Share Posted March 4, 2018 3 minutes ago, RubberDucky said: My only concern w/ bringing in Bennett is that Quinn may make Takk the rotation piece rather than Bennett. Takk needs to be featured this season. This is a problematic way of seeing the game. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheFatboi Posted March 4, 2018 Share Posted March 4, 2018 1 minute ago, Knight of God said: I’d rather draft a starter at every position and not need them, than need them and not have them. As far as Bennett, huge upgrade to Clayborn. Huge. Then draft like your life depends on it and take the training wheels off. Smell some blood and attack. Very simple. You draft for create an atmosphere of competition but nobody we drafted last year was gonna uproot anybody we already had. Why would you waste a pick on a middle linebacker early when you already have Jones?? That’s why you draft smart. That’s why Riley was drafted to be a STARTER so Campbell could play SLB. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snafu Posted March 4, 2018 Share Posted March 4, 2018 Just now, Knight of God said: This is a problematic way of seeing the game. Maybe, but I stand by my opinion that we need to get him WAY more involved. We **** sure didn't move up in the 1st round to draft him for him to only play 160 snaps a season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jerz Posted March 4, 2018 Share Posted March 4, 2018 55 minutes ago, TheFatboi said: That’s my point I’ve been telling y’all since the Julio trade. We didn’t draft well under smith. And again, we’ll draft a DT early IF we don’t get a DT in FA. So it’s a temporary hole. I saw the eagles coming 3 years ago just like I saw the Seahawks coming. What’s your point? You’re literally saying what I’ve bwen saying forever. Build thru the draft and Round out the edges with FA. We’ve had a franchise qb since 2008. I saw the eagles when they beat us last year lol. This ain’t rocket science man. Bennett for a 3rd is not a bad price for the type of team we have. Again, a team with no real holes. A DT will get drafted and we STILL may get one in FA. A 3rd just doesn’t hurt this team. You get better by drafting well. We draft well. Why? Because Quinn gets scheme specific talent. Just like Walsh. Just like Tuna. Just like Belichik. Just like Lombardi. How’s many picks do we have this year? All seven?? Losing a third doesn’t hurt one bit And that’s without FA and after draft FA’s which will make the draft picture even more clear. And who’s to say Rubin won’t come back? Bennett also plays inside next to Grady when/if needed. I def understand your point but it only applies to a team that’s not as well built as us we want to win next year and that’s the mindset. I’m not saying we have to get Bennett but for a third id do it The draft is a crapshoot and if we keep trading our picks away that is going to effect us negatively in Ryans latter years. Taking a DT early is never a sure thing and someone like you should know this. Ryan has plenty of years to play so extending that window instead of going all in and still potentially failing should always be the desired course of action. We only have 6 picks right now and losing a 3rd further decreases your chances from coming out of the draft successfully. Forking a 3rd for a very temporary stop gap is not the move. Saying we draft well is not an absolute and has yet to be determined. You saw the Eagles coming 3 years ago huh? lol thats not my point. Having a franchise QB was the catalyst in opening a SB window for them even after paying their top defensive talent. LMAO Rubin is not a solution in the hole we have at DT. He is at best a emergency reserve. Big boy will not be effective if he has more than 100 snaps in the season I promise you. I could already see him lose intensity after 2 games. I'd love to have Bennett on the squad but not for a top 3 draft pick man we still have needs that are immediate now an will be immediate next offseason. We need a TE, #2 WR, 2 DT's, DE, OG, and that's not to mention some of the positions we can upgrade NOW. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gazoo Posted March 4, 2018 Share Posted March 4, 2018 17 minutes ago, TheFatboi said: How exactly would he be a distraction? This is Matt and Julio’s team. He can’t come here and be the same michael Bennett he is in Seattle. Actually he makes me laugh. The boycott is done. Everybody is back to playing football. And being in a chocolate city is just what he needs. Atl is made for a payer like Bennett. If he can do that I’m all for him coming. I may even join him on days other than Sunday with his non football related causes but let’s presevre Sunday between 1-4 for NFL football. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gazoo Posted March 4, 2018 Share Posted March 4, 2018 21 minutes ago, papachaz said: so you've quit watching pro games altogether??? I know, right? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mescalito Posted March 4, 2018 Share Posted March 4, 2018 47 minutes ago, MSalmon said: And, why do you say that? Which part? The a&%hole part? Isn't it common knowledge that he is a very dirty player? I think that makes him an azzhole. Locker room cancer? I said he probably is. I don't know; maybe he's a dream locker room kinda guy. I think the Falcons have a pretty good thing going chemistry wise and I would hate to see this guy screw that up, and I could see that happening. Just my opinions; could be totally off base about all of this. I wouldn't take him for anything higher than a 6th. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Knight of God Posted March 4, 2018 Share Posted March 4, 2018 16 minutes ago, RubberDucky said: Maybe, but I stand by my opinion that we need to get him WAY more involved. We **** sure didn't move up in the 1st round to draft him for him to only play 160 snaps a season. Bennett will take Clayborns snaps Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jerz Posted March 4, 2018 Share Posted March 4, 2018 1 hour ago, Vandy said: I hear you jerz, you make an excellent point. As long as matt stays healthy, we should stay in the hunt for next 5 Years. But with that being said, we’re not new england, nobody is. Matt’s not Brady, and quinn’s Not Belichick. Everyone thought Seattle was a mini-dynasty, and look what happened to them. We have a Top 5 NFL roster today, and we need to go for it now. We can still go for it now and have stock in the future. The draft last year told me trading one of our 1st 3 picks increases the possibility on missing a good player that can be effective day 1. We may or may not have a top 5 roster but that can change in a heartbeat. We honestly looked like a middle of the pack team for long stretches last year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JD dirtybird21 Posted March 4, 2018 Share Posted March 4, 2018 (edited) 39 minutes ago, RubberDucky said: My only concern w/ bringing in Bennett is that Quinn may make Takk the rotation piece rather than Bennett. Takk needs to be featured this season. Nah man, think of it like this: the more weapons you have, the harder it is to gameplan against. The less assignments your talent has, the easier the job gets and the fresher the legs throughout the season. Also, if/when someone goes down, it will be much less painful because the job they were doing was just one job, not 4. It’s why John Abraham was so good when he played here. The team played to his strengths and utilized him only as a pass rusher on passing downs. Nothing more. Getting Bennett would likely make Takk BETTER by playing LESS snaps Edited March 4, 2018 by JD dirtybird21 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
g-dawg Posted March 4, 2018 Share Posted March 4, 2018 58 minutes ago, Vandy said: That’s what I’m saying, we’re right there and need to go for it before these contracts start escalating. That’s fine but you still gotta be smart about it. The odds are always against you winning a SuperBowl no matter how many aggressive moves you make. Our defense was not the problem last year - it was the offense - and it wasn’t close. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JD dirtybird21 Posted March 4, 2018 Share Posted March 4, 2018 32 minutes ago, TheFatboi said: Very simple. You draft for create an atmosphere of competition but nobody we drafted last year was gonna uproot anybody we already had. Why would you waste a pick on a middle linebacker early when you already have Jones?? That’s why you draft smart. That’s why Riley was drafted to be a STARTER so Campbell could play SLB. And just continue to get better. Raise the level of the weakest link every offseason. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Knight of God Posted March 4, 2018 Share Posted March 4, 2018 37 minutes ago, TheFatboi said: Very simple. You draft for create an atmosphere of competition but nobody we drafted last year was gonna uproot anybody we already had. Why would you waste a pick on a middle linebacker early when you already have Jones?? That’s why you draft smart. That’s why Riley was drafted to be a STARTER so Campbell could play SLB. I wasn’t high on a MLB like some. There were other things. Hopefully Riley pans out. I see him as an ST ace myself. Eddie Jackson would have been a better pick Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MSalmon Posted March 4, 2018 Author Share Posted March 4, 2018 21 minutes ago, JD dirtybird21 said: Nah man, think of it like this: the more weapons you have, the harder it is to gameplan against. The less assignments your talent has, the easier the job gets and the fresher the legs throughout the season. Also, if/when someone goes down, it will be much less painful because the job they were doing was just one job, not 4. It’s why John Abraham was so good when he played here. The team played to his strengths and utilized him only as a pass rusher on passing downs. Nothing more. Getting Bennett would likely make Takk BETTER by playing LESS snaps Great points Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MSalmon Posted March 4, 2018 Author Share Posted March 4, 2018 57 minutes ago, gazoo said: No thanks man. I want to go to games and enjoy football without media circus distractions followed by unending commentary from the talking heads that has nothing to do with football. Lol if it gets us to a SB, I don’t mind in the least Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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