Vandy Posted March 4, 2018 Share Posted March 4, 2018 9 minutes ago, MSalmon said: True. at the time Osi was our main guy. We have takk, Jarrett and Vic. Different time SJax was just an odd signing. Wrong scheme and he was just slow In hindsite, it was a Big mistake by TD/Smith grasping for one last run instead of rebuilding around nucleus...we got old fast. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jerz Posted March 4, 2018 Share Posted March 4, 2018 Just now, MSalmon said: He just made some money Dude is 250lbs!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MSalmon Posted March 4, 2018 Author Share Posted March 4, 2018 1 minute ago, GATXBOI said: I feel the same way I believe Ryan contact is done their just waiting to announce it. I wouldn't mind this money going to the fullback from Dallas Keith Smith and possibly a DT and OG in free agency. That’d be a heckuva offseason if we ended up with Pugh, Smith and maybe Wilkerson on a Poe-type deal. itd let us be creative in the draft Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
g-dawg Posted March 4, 2018 Share Posted March 4, 2018 5 minutes ago, MSalmon said: If he put up an 8.5 sack year would you still be mad? YES, because it’s a 3rd round pick which is supposed to be a starter at some point - for a guy that is a 1-2yr rental at $8mm per year who wants his contract renegotiated every other year. You won’t get three years of 8.5 sacks and if he gets 8 the first year, 6 the second year and 4 the third year then you are paying more than the rule of thumb “1mm per sack” AND you gave up a 3rd rounder- that would be an awful trade. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moist Words Posted March 4, 2018 Share Posted March 4, 2018 3 minutes ago, Vandy said: His mental health is the key.... The one thing I swear I remember reading about Wilkerson is that his get off was just average. We're talking years and years ago though so I could be wrong but Quinn really does value that first step and it's evident in the Dlineman we've brought in since he's been here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MSalmon Posted March 4, 2018 Author Share Posted March 4, 2018 Just now, Jerz said: Dude is 250lbs!! I don’t see him going in fourth anymore Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vandy Posted March 4, 2018 Share Posted March 4, 2018 4 minutes ago, MSalmon said: How would he sit? Dude, we got clay and brooks plenty of snaps, plus Bennett moves inside on passing downs. You’re talking speed demons Vic and takk off the edge with Grady and Bennett inside. That’s sick! 3 minutes ago, Jpowers said: Bennett can slide inside in certain formations. Made a living do as much in Seattle. Exactly....plus we need to rebuild a rotation at DL... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MSalmon Posted March 4, 2018 Author Share Posted March 4, 2018 Just now, g-dawg said: YES, because it’s a 3rd round pick which is supposed to be a starter at some point - for a guy that is a 1-2yr rental at $8mm per year who wants his contract renegotiated every other year. You won’t get three years of 8.5 sacks and if he gets 8 the first year, 6 the second year and 4 the third year then you are paying more than the rule of thumb “1mm per sack” AND you gave up a 3rd rounder- that would be an awful trade. Ok. Your opinion. But I think you’re horribly wrong and myopic on this one. We have a 3 to four year window period if not shorter on SB. A third round traded for a proven player is a smart risk when you have a fairly young team to start with Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MSalmon Posted March 4, 2018 Author Share Posted March 4, 2018 2 minutes ago, g-dawg said: YES, because it’s a 3rd round pick which is supposed to be a starter at some point - for a guy that is a 1-2yr rental at $8mm per year who wants his contract renegotiated every other year. You won’t get three years of 8.5 sacks and if he gets 8 the first year, 6 the second year and 4 the third year then you are paying more than the rule of thumb “1mm per sack” AND you gave up a 3rd rounder- that would be an awful trade. Using your logic, shouldn’t Harlow be a starter this year or next thus negating the need for a first round OG? Also, why give up on wes if picks are so valuable. we gave a fifth for Ty Sambrailo btw, yet you balk at a third for Bennett! Gtfo here lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheFatboi Posted March 4, 2018 Share Posted March 4, 2018 40 minutes ago, MSalmon said: First and foremost you all are seriously underrating our OL. second, you have plenty of picks. Third a third and 7th is nothing for a proven upgrade from clayborn lastly, they are far worse off on OL than us Facts. The oline was just about on par with the SB year. The running backs were about the same and Matt was hit/sacked about the same. We don’t have to FIX the oline. We have to bring more competition and depth. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MSalmon Posted March 4, 2018 Author Share Posted March 4, 2018 3 minutes ago, Vandy said: Exactly....plus we need to rebuild a rotation at DL... And with Bennett in fold you can take guys to develop and bring along slowly like Bryan or bj Hill Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GATXBOI Posted March 4, 2018 Share Posted March 4, 2018 1 minute ago, MSalmon said: That’d be a heckuva offseason if we ended up with Pugh, Smith and maybe Wilkerson on a Poe-type deal. itd let us be creative in the draft Smith and Wilkerson yeah I don't know on Pugh I think Giants will try to keep them. Even if we plug two of these holes in free agency with those two being fullback and OG. We could be creative in the draft...if we signed a free agent DT I would draft another one any way. I really starting to like Harrison Phillips and we the Vea injury maybe he falls to 26 i would take him anyway with the recovery time bringing him in possibly mid season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheFatboi Posted March 4, 2018 Share Posted March 4, 2018 1 minute ago, MSalmon said: Using your logic, shouldn’t Harlow be a starter this year or next thus negating the need for a first round OG? Also, why give up on wes if picks are so valuable. we gave a fifth for Ty Sambrailo btw, yet you balk at a third for Bennett! Gtfo here lol Wes wasn’t that bad and he got better as he year went. The oline didn’t cause one loss last year but wr drops contributed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MSalmon Posted March 4, 2018 Author Share Posted March 4, 2018 1 minute ago, TheFatboi said: Facts. The oline was just about on par with the SB year. The running backs were about the same and Matt was hit/sacked about the same. We don’t have to FIX the oline. We have to bring more competition and depth. Finally the truth! man, you’re right. It was just the first year of a similar but different system Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D.B.N. Posted March 4, 2018 Share Posted March 4, 2018 Most definitely Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vandy Posted March 4, 2018 Share Posted March 4, 2018 7 minutes ago, Jpowers said: The one thing I swear I remember reading about Wilkerson is that his get off was just average. We're talking years and years ago though so I could be wrong but Quinn really does value that first step and it's evident in the Dlineman we've brought in since he's been here. I dunno J...two years of double-digit sacks....and he’s still only 28-29... if he’s open to it, i’d give him a one-year prove-it deal like we did Poe. Easier said than done though... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MSalmon Posted March 4, 2018 Author Share Posted March 4, 2018 Just now, TheFatboi said: Wes wasn’t that bad and he got better as he year went. The oline didn’t cause one loss last year but wr drops contributed. See, I though Wes showed some talent. He had rough patches, but I’m not ready to give up on him. i like Braden Smith in fourth, or someone similar. Sign a vet and let all compete Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JD dirtybird21 Posted March 4, 2018 Share Posted March 4, 2018 1 hour ago, MSalmon said: Me too. Believe it or not, I’d trade Teco and a 7th for him as well. good rbs in this draft. I know TD said he’s not on block, but we know gms lie lol I got a good one. I’d trade Freeman for Bennett and their 4th. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MSalmon Posted March 4, 2018 Author Share Posted March 4, 2018 2 minutes ago, GATXBOI said: Smith and Wilkerson yeah I don't know on Pugh I think Giants will try to keep them. Even if we plug two of these holes in free agency with those two being fullback and OG. We could be creative in the draft...if we signed a free agent DT I would draft another one any way. I really starting to like Harrison Phillips and we the Vea injury maybe he falls to 26 i would take him anyway with the recovery time bringing him in possibly mid season. I don’t know on Pugh either. It’ll be interesting to see how FA advances, but we haven’t been afraid to sign a vet and let pick develop phillips would be great. Particularly if we traded for Bennett. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
g-dawg Posted March 4, 2018 Share Posted March 4, 2018 1 minute ago, MSalmon said: Ok. Your opinion. But I think you’re horribly wrong and myopic on this one. We have a 3 to four year window period if not shorter on SB. A third round traded for a proven player is a smart risk when you have a fairly young team to start with I think you are myopic. Every mistake made has been adding an expensive vet to chase SB. Alex Mack signing was not that. Older players with high salaries are on the cut line all the time. Nobody else is going to give up a 3rd rounder for Michael Bennett. 3rd round draft picks are not given in trades for anything less than a QB - if 30yr old or older. Patriots only got a 2nd rounder for Jimmy Garoppolo who just got paid $20mm+ per year. You give it away too easy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MSalmon Posted March 4, 2018 Author Share Posted March 4, 2018 Just now, JD dirtybird21 said: I got a good one. I’d trade Freeman for Bennett and their 4th. You are about to get bombarded by the board lol i think that would be cap helll Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
g-dawg Posted March 4, 2018 Share Posted March 4, 2018 5 minutes ago, MSalmon said: Using your logic, shouldn’t Harlow be a starter this year or next thus negating the need for a first round OG? Also, why give up on wes if picks are so valuable. we gave a fifth for Ty Sambrailo btw, yet you balk at a third for Bennett! Gtfo here lol <Insert SIGH here> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moist Words Posted March 4, 2018 Share Posted March 4, 2018 Just now, Vandy said: I dunno J...two years of double-digit sacks....and he’s still only 28-29... if he’s open to it, i’d give him a one-year prove-it deal like we did Poe. Easier said than done though... **** I'm open to it too. I remember a game years back where he was just demolishing our O-line and Gruden was going on and on about him. He could play inside or slide outside on running downs too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GATXBOI Posted March 4, 2018 Share Posted March 4, 2018 Just now, MSalmon said: I don’t know on Pugh either. It’ll be interesting to see how FA advances, but we haven’t been afraid to sign a vet and let pick develop phillips would be great. Particularly if we traded for Bennett. Right I was thinking that with Bennett Grady Phillips Crawford and maybe Wilkerson or Rubin that's a great rotation at DT. With Bennett and Crawford getting some snaps at DE. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JD dirtybird21 Posted March 4, 2018 Share Posted March 4, 2018 Just now, MSalmon said: You are about to get bombarded by the board lol i think that would be cap helll Would it? Freeman has a bigger contract than Coleman (obviously). Dumping his contract to Seattle and getting Bennett in return is almost like an even swap in terms of cap. Freeman has concussion issues. Coleman has fresher legs. And to your point, we can draft another RB in the middle of the draft. I’ve always liked Freeman. But I don’t think he’s a life time Falcon like many people here suggest. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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