(3rd Annual) Players You Are Curious To See At Combine & Pro Days

k-train · March 1, 2018

I started this two years ago & it's been of interesting to have one place to see how players different posters had their eye on prior to the workouts turned out.

- First, you list a few players (maybe even a few per position) that leading up to the combine, you have a feeling could be useful to the Falcons.
- Next, following the combine, you edit your original post to add the workout numbers for each of your selections.
- Do the same following their pro day workouts.
- Submit another post w/ final analysis of your selections... which guys surprised you, which let you down, etc.

My list from 2016 had K. Neal, D. Jones, and D. Campbell on it, so it was really cool to see guys I had a good feeling about prior to any workouts become Falcons. I didn't hit on any last year though.
Who do you think is going to be a Falcon this year?

k-train · March 1, 2018

Smiler11 · March 1, 2018

Here's my short list per round:

1st round

1. Vita Vea, DL

2. Da'Ron Payne, DL

3. Isiah Wynn, OL

4. Taven Bryan, DL

5. Maurice Hurst, DL

2nd Round

1. Rasheem Green, DL

2. Andrew Brown, DL

3. James Daniels, OL

4.Mike Gesicki, TE

5. Martinas Rankin, OL

3rd round

1. Frank Ragnow, OL

2. Braden Smith, OL

3. Geron Christian, OL

4. Jaylen Samuels, FB

5. BJ Hill, DL

4th round

1. Tony Brown, CB

2. Darius Leonard, LB

3. Dashawn Hand, DL

4. Keke Coutee, WR

5. Josh Sweat, DE

6. Marquis Haynes, DE

5th - 7th round

1. Chris Herndon, TE

2. Bo Scarborough, RB

3. Jeremy Reaves, FS

4. Daniel Carlson, K

5. Janarion Grant, WR

6. Evan Berry, DB

7. Nic Shimonek, QB

8. Bruce Hector, DL

9. David Bright, OL

10. Jacob Pugh, LB

11. Nick Bawden, FB

12. Ryan Nall, FB

13. Jester Weah, WR

14. Robert Foster, WR

Doctor Kildare · March 1, 2018

One thing I am interested in is the bench press results for Wynn and other linemen the Falcons may be interested in. I remember Konz's lackluster bench press performance.

And the defensive tackles like Vea, Payne, Bryan and Settle.

Knight of God · March 1, 2018

Siran Neal and Wynn

k-train · March 1, 2018

1 hour ago, Doctor Kildare said:

One thing I am interested in is the bench press results for Wynn and other linemen the Falcons may be interested in. I remember Konz's lackluster bench press performance.

And the defensive tackles like Vea, Payne, Bryan and Settle.

OL did the bench today.

Apparently Wynn is still recovering from a torn labrum & skipped the bench. I'm not sure if he plans on doing any other tests at the combine.

Billy Price did 3 reps and then got hurt & did not finish. Apparently he torn a pec... which likely means he's not helping anyone early this season, if at all. That could very well drop him a round.

With Wynn not working out yet, Price getting hurt, Daniels bringing the weaksauce, Ragnow still not quite ready to test his ankle in agility drills, things may get very interesting... especially if guys like Hernandez, Smith, and Teller do well in the rest of the workouts.

The top 5 on the bench were:
Will Hernandez - 37
Quenton Nelson - 35
Braden Smith - 35
Colby Gossett - 32
Wyatt Teller - 30

Middle of the pack were:
Sam Jones - 28
Tony Weathersby - 28
Brian Allen - 27
Joseph Noteboom - 27
Timon Parris - 27
Frank Ragnow - 26
Cole Madison - 26
KC McDermott - 26
Connor Williams - 26
Will Clapp - 25
Scott Quessenberry - 25

Underwhelming but serviceable w/ NFL weight training were:
Alex Cappa - 24
Mike McGlinchy - 24
Kolton Miller - 24
Martinas Rankin - 24
Cole Mason - 23
Brian O'Neill - 22
James Daniels - 21
Nick Gates - 20
Sean Welsh - 20

Bad were:
Geron Christian - 19
Austin Corbett - 19
Rick Leonard - 19
Chukwuma Okorafor - 19
Greg Senat - 19
Taylor Hearn - 18
Tyrell Crosby - 17
Jamil Demby - 17
Jaryd Jones-Smith - 16
KJ Malone - 15
Orlando Brown - 14

For some perspective, the RBs finished up the bench too & here's how the top 10 RBs compared:

Saquon Barkley & Nick Chubb both did 29 reps... that's better than every o-lineman except the top 5.
Chris Warren - 25
Lavon Coleman - 23
Sony Michel - 22
Kamryn Pettway - 22
Darrel Williams - 22
Chase Edmunds - 19
Josh Adams - 18
Jarvion franklin - 18

k-train · March 1, 2018

Sam Jones is really interesting, because he's supposed to be pretty athletic & ideal for a zone-blocking scheme. Coming in the knock on him was a lack of strength, but he just put up the 6th most reps on the bench, so it's possible he's put in the work to get that under control. He's played LT, RT, and LG so he has the versatility we look for, too.

kiwifalcon · March 2, 2018

Teller and Gossett look interesting to me and I think we've already spoken to the latter.

k-train · March 2, 2018

5 hours ago, kiwifalcon said:

Teller and Gossett look interesting to me and I think we've already spoken to the latter.

I've been talking up Wyatt Teller & Frank Ragnow for a while now & am really high on both of them. I'd be ecstatic if we land one of those guys.

kiwifalcon · March 2, 2018

6 hours ago, k-train said:

I've been talking up Wyatt Teller & Frank Ragnow for a while now & am really high on both of them. I'd be ecstatic if we land one of those guys.

They've talked to Daniels I know that so it would seem they prefer him over Ragnow at this stage.

k-train · March 2, 2018

Just now, kiwifalcon said:

They've talked to Daniels I know that so it would seem they prefer him over Ragnow at this stage.

Do we know that they didn't also talk to Ragnow?

kiwifalcon · March 2, 2018

7 minutes ago, k-train said:

Do we know that they didn't also talk to Ragnow?

Not sure man I just know they've had a chat to Daniels and more recently talked to Hayden Hurst and low and behold they just released Toilolo.

k-train · March 2, 2018

1 minute ago, kiwifalcon said:

Not sure man I just know they've had a chat to Daniels and more recently talked to Hayden Hurst and low and behold they just released Toilolo.

I'm good with Daniels, too. (He's up there on my list of dudes to watch & he was actually the guy I took in the one mock I did). He makes a lot of sense in terms of scheme fit & versatility, but I just prefer Ragnow by a hair. Given the fact that Ragnow was pretty decent on the bench & Daniels numbers on the bench were borderline worrisome, that hair may have grown a little bit longer.

I'd love to find a way to get Teller, too. He might not be great right out the gate, but he strikes me as the kind of guy that with a year to get comfortable at the next level will be an absolute beast on the o-line for a decade. He lwas awesome in 2016, not quite as good but still very solid in 2017, looked really good at the Senior Bowl, and looked really good in the tests & drills at the combine. He's got the size, strength, and Harvey Dahl-esqe attitude to be a force.

Wouldn't hurt my feelings to see Hurst lined up with Hooper in 2 TE sets, but I'd really like to see Gesicki for that role.

kiwifalcon · March 2, 2018

1 minute ago, k-train said:

I'm good with Daniels, too. (He's up there on my list of dudes to watch & he was actually the guy I took in the one mock I did). He makes a lot of sense in terms of scheme fit & versatility, but I just prefer Ragnow by a hair. Given the fact that Ragnow was pretty decent on the bench & Daniels numbers on the bench were borderline worrisome, that hair may have grown a little bit longer.

I'd love to find a way to get Teller, too. He might not be great right out the gate, but he strikes me as the kind of guy that with a year to get comfortable at the next level will be an absolute beast on the o-line for a decade. He lwas awesome in 2016, not quite as good but still very solid in 2017, looked really good at the Senior Bowl, and looked really good in the tests & drills at the combine. He's got the size, strength, and Harvey Dahl-esqe attitude to be a force.

Wouldn't hurt my feelings to see Hurst lined up with Hooper in 2 TE sets, but I'd really like to see Gesicki for that role.

Good post mate.

Ragnow to be honest I had a look at him quickly and I just didn't get that I'm coming to get you type deal when he blocks especially when he pulls Im looking for guys that really send a message and finish blocks I didn't get that sense from Ragnow.

Teller you could be on the money if he s got the Dahl mean streak and can pass pro I'm onboard but to be fair I haven't seen enough of him.

Smiler11 · March 2, 2018

30 minutes ago, kiwifalcon said:

Good post mate.

Ragnow to be honest I had a look at him quickly and I just didn't get that I'm coming to get you type deal when he blocks especially when he pulls Im looking for guys that really send a message and finish blocks I didn't get that sense from Ragnow.

Teller you could be on the money if he s got the Dahl mean streak and can pass pro I'm onboard but to be fair I haven't seen enough of him.

I know exactly what you mean kiwi, but Ragnow is just a pure technician. He does what he needs to do to take guys out of the play, there is no nasty streak just business. He reminds me a lot of Alex Mack in that sense. Probably the best pass pro out of all the interior guys as well.

You would like to see a few more of these out of him...

kiwifalcon · March 2, 2018

6 minutes ago, Smiler11 said:

I know exactly what you mean kiwi, but Ragnow is just a pure technician. He does what he needs to do to take guys out of the play, there is no nasty streak just business. He reminds me a lot of Alex Mack in that sense.

You would like to see a few more of these out of him...

I'm slightly different when I look at o--lineman especially against the run.I like to see them explode out of there stance hands inside and win the intial contact wheather that be on the move and then finish.

Much like a D-linemen when we talk getoff with the man that's what's I look for initially when I look at o-linemen blocking the run.

Macks a technician but he finishes I love seeing guys finish guys even if the balls ten yards away and continue to do it.Battle of attrition the physical guy wins in the closet.

Slappywhite · March 4, 2018

On 3/2/2018 at 3:25 AM, kiwifalcon said:

Teller and Gossett look interesting to me and I think we've already spoken to the latter.

Wyatt Teller moving up on my radar.

RYNE · March 4, 2018

I wanna see how good or bad Josey Jewell tests

k-train · March 7, 2018

Ok, so following the combine, here's my thoughts on my guys...

QB
Riley Ferguson
He ran a pretty slow 40, but did really well in the rest of the testing & looked good where it matters most, in the passing drills. Depending on what are needs are following FA, he'd likely still be in consideration in my book for rounds 5-7 as a much cheaper, much younger replacement for Schaub.

Mike White
He looked like garbage in workouts but threw the ball very well. That was kind of expected of him. He's in the same boat... 5th-7th round backup QB if more pressing needs have been filled.

HB

Josh Adams
He only did the bench, so will have to wait for his Pro Day to see how he works out

Jordan Wilkins
He looked solid in the workouts & drills he took part in, but didn't run the 40 or 3-cone so the jury's still out on him

Kerryon Johnson
He also didn't run the 40 which was a bummer to me. He jumped outta the gym, which is usually a good sign of a guy who can accelerate fast & drive with his legs. His 3-cone & shuttle times weren't the best, but on the field he showed he has absolutely no issues changing direction on a dime. He also caught the ball nicely in drills. For what it's worth, his player comp on NFL.com is Tevin Coleman.

Royce Freeman
He's not flashy, but is solid & will likely fall under the radar a bit. This could lead to him going a round or two later than he should & becoming a bit of a steal.

Martez Carter
He wasn't there, but excited to see what he does at his Pro Day

Kalen Ballage
He was expected to do well at the combine, and I don't know how he could've done any better. He probably got himself into the 2nd or early 3rd with that performance. He's big, has great speed, good accelerations, and can catch. What's not to like?

Roc Thomas
His timed speed left a lot to be desired, especially considering his size, but he has the acceleration & hands to be a very serviceable backup

Chase Edmunds
Showed good agility, acceleration & hands, but he's likely nothing more than a late round backup at the next level.

FB

Dimitri Flowers
I was hoping to be blown away by him. I wasn't. He's fine, but doesn't seem to be anything worth spending more than a 6th or 7th on.

Jordan Chunn
He wasn't working out (if he was even there), so will have to wait until his pro day

Nick Bawden
He didn't do much at the combine, so hard to gauge, but I have the same feeling on him as I do on Flowers

TE

Mike Gesicki
He was my favorite TE coming into the combine & one of my favorites in years. So, I'm not surprised really that he blew the combine to bits with his testing. If anything, I'm kinda bummed because I war really hoping we could get him as a super steal int eh 2nd or 3rd to pair with Hooper. I just don't see that happening now. He's going to be a weapon & everyone knows it know. He might not make it outta the1st.

Chris Herdon
He didn't do much, so will have to wait until his pro day

WR

Dante Pettis
He didn't work out so have to wait for his pro day

Simmie Cobbs
He tested horribly IMO. Was hoping for a late round steal, but just don't see it now.

Equanimous St. Brown
He didn't do a lot at the combine, but showed to be big, strong, fast, and have reliable hands. HE probably goes too early for us, but I think he'd be a great compliment to what we have now & able to replace Sanu in a year or two.

Cedrick Wilson
He didn't show blazing speed, but certainly enough to be serviceable. He did well in agility drills & showed good explosion/acceleration & the ability to go up and get the ball.

Marcell Ateman
He didn't blow away with anything he showed

Michael Gallup
He's very promising IMO, especially if there's any chance he can be had in rounds 4-7

Keke Coutee
I'm back & forth with him. I think he could easily make up the production of both Gabriel & Roberts, but his small size combined with a reported lack of toughness are concerns

Quadree Henderson
I'd have him in the same boat as Coutee... mainly used as a #4 WR & return specialist. He's seemingly far more under the radar than Coutee at the moment, so seems a bit more realistic in him being available late ... or even as a UDFA possibly.

OL

Frank Ragnow
He didn't work out beyond the bench, so have to wait for his pro day. Very promising to see him put up that weight though. Great combo of technical prowess with more than enough strength to be super solid. My favorite o-lineman in this class & a guy who fits the TD/DQ mold perfectly in terms of talent, need, versatility, leadership, smarts, and character.

James Daniels
He tested as expected... great athlete with less strength than most. He's not my fave, but really good & it definitely wouldn't hurt my feelings if he ends up a Falcon

Wyatt Teller
If not for Ragnow, Teller would be my favorite o-lineman in this class. I've been very high on him for a while now & from the Senior bowl to the combine, he just keeps giving me more & more reasons to want him to become a Falcon. He's strong, can move well enough to fit the scheme, and has a ton of upside. He has that 'play through the whistle' toughness/attitude like Harvey Dahl & Tyson Clabo. Might not be a guy who hits the ground running, but I really feel like he can be serviceable now & really special after he has a year to get acclimated.

Jamarco Jones
He was a bit of a let down

Joseph Noteboom
I really like everything he did. He was someone who intrigued me as an OT who could be moved to OG, but I think he did well enough to show folks he can stay at OT at the next level

Sam Jones
I expected him to show more athleticism, so kind of disappointing in that regard. Makes me wonder of he actually trained for the combine.

Nick Gates
He was trash

David Bright
Gotta wait until his pro day to see what he can do

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