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The Trump Presidency (take 2)

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Wonder what the chances are that Trump will use the damage of the shutdown on air traffic safety, law enforcement, etc. as the basis for his “declaration of emergency”.  

That’s the only way this whole thing could get more perverse.

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14 minutes ago, achilles return said:

 

I don't even know the guy who lives across the street from me.  I'm so glad we decided to give stupid people a shot at running the country.

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1 hour ago, HolyMoses said:

Wait . . . 

I'm not a math ace, but that sounds like there was a bill to open the government that past both legislative houses with majorities.

But the Senate Bill got "fillibustered" and therefore won't go to Trump.

Yeah, I’m getting very annoyed with the media’s dumb habit of saying that bills which get a majority vote but are filibustered were “defeated”.  Most people reading “the bill was defeated” think it means the majority of senators voted against it.

The media needs to make clear that a bill got majority support but was filibustered and does not get a vote because 40+ senators opposed it.

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2 hours ago, big_dog said:

Commerce Secretary Wilbur Ross said Thursday that he did not understand why federal workers who are not being paid during a government shutdown that is in its fifth week "would use services like food banks," suggesting that they should take out loans to stay afloat. :doh: 

Nancy Pelosi Torches Wilbur Ross Over Comment About Federal Workers
"Is this the 'Let them eat cake' kind of attitude?"
11:41 AM - 24 Jan 2019

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8 minutes ago, GEORGIAfan said:

 

On policy, I think Warren is the strongest candidate. 

Some good ideas but she's not electable

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3 hours ago, JayOzOne said:

It's out of touch to think that everybody has a family member who can help them out. It's out of touch to think that being furloughed is like a vacation. It's out of touch to suppose that the people who are about to lose their mortgages, be evicted from apartments and are turning to food banks to feed their families are doing it because they don't want to stay with you. And finally, it's out of touch to call anything a "shutdown" when the people are actually working but simply not being paid. That's not a shutdown. It's intentionally inflicting financial and emotional distress because the Very Good Brain behind the scheme has Very Bad Brain Damage.

How in **** is the government "shut down" when every week, more people are added to the essential list of employees and made to work without pay?

I think you are missing a lot here.

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Russian oligarchs and Kremlin apparatchiks may find the tables turned on them later this week when a new leak site unleashes a compilation of hundreds of thousands of hacked emails and gigabytes of leaked documents. Think of it as WikiLeaks, but without Julian Assange’s aversion to posting Russian secrets. The site, Distributed Denial of Secrets, was founded last month by transparency activists. Co-founder Emma Best said the Russian leaks, slated for release Friday, will bring into one place dozens of different archives of hacked material that, at best, have been difficult to locate, and in some cases appear to have disappeared entirely from the web.

The site’s Russia section already includes a leak from Russia’s Ministry of the Interior, portions of which detailed the deployment of Russian troops to Ukraine at a time when the Kremlin was denying a military presence there. Though some material from that leak was published in 2014, about half of it wasn’t, and WikiLeaks reportedly rejected a request to host the files two years later, at a time when Julian Assange was focused on exposing Democratic Party documents passed to WikiLeaks by Kremlin hackers.

“A lot of what WikiLeaks will do is organize and re-publish information that’s appeared elsewhere,” said Nicholas Weaver, a researcher at the University of California at Berkeley’s International Computer Science Institute. “They’ve never done that with anything out of Russia.”

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Both the Republican-backed Senate proposal to reopen the government — which included $5.7 billion to fund President Trump's border wall — and the Democrat-backed clean funding bill failed to garner the 60 votes necessary to advance either measure. The big picture: Neither bill was expected to pass. However, the Democrat proposal, which would have funded the government through Feb. 8, earned 2 more votes than Trump's plan to trade temporary DACA and TPS protections for a border wall. Six Republicans — Sens. Susan Collins (Maine), Lisa Murkowski (Alaska), Cory Gardner (Colo.), Mitt Romney (Utah), Lamar Alexander (Tenn.) and Johnny Isakson (Ga.) — voted in favor of both bills.

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2 minutes ago, Psychic Gibbon said:

 

Why do some politicians want Venezuela politics here when we know the havoc that socialism brings to is people?

Oh right, because even though we have an inept government, people believe they can make it work here because unicorns and rainbows

 

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2 minutes ago, big_dog said:

Both the Republican-backed Senate proposal to reopen the government — which included $5.7 billion to fund President Trump's border wall — and the Democrat-backed clean funding bill failed to garner the 60 votes necessary to advance either measure. The big picture: Neither bill was expected to pass. However, the Democrat proposal, which would have funded the government through Feb. 8, earned 2 more votes than Trump's plan to trade temporary DACA and TPS protections for a border wall. Six Republicans — Sens. Susan Collins (Maine), Lisa Murkowski (Alaska), Cory Gardner (Colo.), Mitt Romney (Utah), Lamar Alexander (Tenn.) and Johnny Isakson (Ga.) — voted in favor of both bills.

The Dems under Pelosi's control says dayum the people identity politics full speed ahead 

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3 minutes ago, WhenFalconsWin said:

Why do some politicians want Venezuela politics here when we know the havoc that socialism brings to is people?

Oh right, because even though we have an inept government, people believe they can make it work here because unicorns and rainbows

 

Dunno. Are we going to sanction ourselves to undermine our government?

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Just now, Psychic Gibbon said:

Dunno. Are we going to sanction ourselves to undermine our government?

Standard answer...tell me again how Carter srewed up Central America again.

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Just now, WhenFalconsWin said:

Standard answer...tell me again how Carter srewed up Central America again.

It's pretty much the standard American foreign policy: If there is a government we don't like then we heavily sanction them in order to apply pressure to the population by depriving them of goods and resources they need so they will be induced to rise up and overthrow the government. You're old enough to have lived through all of these instances. Don't tell me your brain has rotted too much to recall this.

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