Smiler11 6,204 Posted January 30, 2018 Share Posted January 30, 2018 A former CB with exceptional range who isn't afraid to lay the wood. If we're in the market for a FS, this is a guy who could be a late round gem. To me he was the most impressive safety at the senior bowl. I'm the game itself he came up big with 2 turnovers: an INT of Tanner Lee and a 4th down stop against Kalen Ballage, as well as shutting down anything over the middle. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
cpm 259 Posted January 31, 2018 Share Posted January 31, 2018 I hope we get him. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Ovie_Lover 29,588 Posted February 1, 2018 Share Posted February 1, 2018 If he can stop Ballage then I want him Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Summerhill 1,641 Posted February 1, 2018 Share Posted February 1, 2018 I know nothing about him but I usually assume any small school FS likely projects as a NFL SS. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Smiler11 6,204 Posted February 1, 2018 Author Share Posted February 1, 2018 8 minutes ago, Summerhill said: I know nothing about him but I usually assume any small school FS likely projects as a NFL SS. No this guy is a corner convert. Would be a great fit as a single high for teams running cover 1 or cover 3. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
MSalmon 10,998 Posted February 1, 2018 Share Posted February 1, 2018 2 minutes ago, Smiler11 said: No this guy is a corner convert. Would be a great fit as a single high for teams running cover 1 or cover 3. Agree. He really stood out. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Summerhill 1,641 Posted February 1, 2018 Share Posted February 1, 2018 36 minutes ago, Smiler11 said: No this guy is a corner convert. Would be a great fit as a single high for teams running cover 1 or cover 3. If you truly know, I'll trust you, but the info out there seems shaky. Quote Jaguar Highlights: Expected to start at free safety his final season at the collegiate level ... As A Junior (2016): Started the first nine games at cornerback before being shifted to the ‘Rover’ safety position http://www.usajaguars.com/roster.aspx?rp_id=7377 I do love my small school corner converts but he would have an uphill climb in Atlanta with Kazee drafted last year. He's supposedly 205 lbs without having seen a NFL weight room, 20 lbs heavier than Kazee, so backup SS may not be a bad place to try and fit in. I like Ishmael a lot but he's not even under contract anymore. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
MSalmon 10,998 Posted February 1, 2018 Share Posted February 1, 2018 1 hour ago, Summerhill said: If you truly know, I'll trust you, but the info out there seems shaky. http://www.usajaguars.com/roster.aspx?rp_id=7377 I do love my small school corner converts but he would have an uphill climb in Atlanta with Kazee drafted last year. He's supposedly 205 lbs without having seen a NFL weight room, 20 lbs heavier than Kazee, so backup SS may not be a bad place to try and fit in. I like Ishmael a lot but he's not even under contract anymore. Why with Kazee? Kazee is better at nb, regardless. This kid could play FS Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Ovie_Lover 29,588 Posted February 1, 2018 Share Posted February 1, 2018 2 hours ago, Summerhill said: If you truly know, I'll trust you, but the info out there seems shaky. http://www.usajaguars.com/roster.aspx?rp_id=7377 I do love my small school corner converts but he would have an uphill climb in Atlanta with Kazee drafted last year. He's supposedly 205 lbs without having seen a NFL weight room, 20 lbs heavier than Kazee, so backup SS may not be a bad place to try and fit in. I like Ishmael a lot but he's not even under contract anymore. You have no idea what you're talking about do you?? Ish isn't a SS, so losing him doesn't equal we need a SS. And what small school FS have gone to SS?? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Summerhill 1,641 Posted February 1, 2018 Share Posted February 1, 2018 6 minutes ago, Yo_Lover said: You have no idea what you're talking about do you?? Ish isn't a SS, so losing him doesn't equal we need a SS. And what small school FS have gone to SS?? You're right I'm behind the times Ishmael has been LB for a little while. As far as converting DBs, the theory goes like this. Most DBs are close to the same size - 5'10"-6'0" and 180-200 lbs. In college the coaches play the fastest ones at CB, the next fastest at FS, and the slowest at SS. Once those players get to the NFL, they're competing for a select number of spots against the fastest players from every other school from the last 10 years. It's tough. Unless you're one of the elite prospects, chances are there are other players who are faster at your position, so it helps to bump down a level. A big CB moves to FS, a slow FS moves to SS, and a slow SS moves to LB. I'm too old these days to pay attention to every player on every team anymore, but some examples: Tyvon Branch (2008): Played CB at UConn, SS in NFL Dwight Lowery (2008) Played CB at San Jose State, mostly FS in NFL Jairus Byrd (2009): Played CB at Oregon, FS in NFL Malcolm Jenkins (2009): Played CB at Ohio State, FS in New Orleans, SS in Philadelpia Devin McCourty (2010): Played CB at Rutgers, FS in NFL Tayshaun Gipson (2012): Played CB at Wyoming, FS in NFL Glover Quinn (2012): Played CB at New Mexico, FS in NFL Eric Berry (2010): Played FS at Tenn, SS in NFL Mark Barron (2012): Played SS at Alabama, LB in NFL Deone Buchanon (2014): Played SS at Wazzu, LB in NFL Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Ovie_Lover 29,588 Posted February 1, 2018 Share Posted February 1, 2018 9 minutes ago, Summerhill said: You're right I'm behind the times Ishmael has been LB for a little while. As far as converting DBs, the theory goes like this. Most DBs are close to the same size - 5'10"-6'0" and 180-200 lbs. In college the coaches play the fastest ones at CB, the next fastest at FS, and the slowest at SS. Once those players get to the NFL, they're competing for a select number of spots against the fastest players from every other school from the last 10 years. It's tough. Unless you're one of the elite prospects, chances are there are other players who are faster at your position, so it helps to bump down a level. A big CB moves to FS, a slow FS moves to SS, and a slow SS moves to LB. I'm too old these days to pay attention to every player on every team anymore, but some examples: Tyvon Branch (2008): Played CB at UConn, SS in NFL Dwight Lowery (2008) Played CB at San Jose State, mostly FS in NFL Jairus Byrd (2009): Played CB at Oregon, FS in NFL Malcolm Jenkins (2009): Played CB at Ohio State, FS in New Orleans, SS in Philadelpia Devin McCourty (2010): Played CB at Rutgers, FS in NFL Tayshaun Gipson (2012): Played CB at Wyoming, FS in NFL Glover Quinn (2012): Played CB at New Mexico, FS in NFL Eric Berry (2010): Played FS at Tenn, SS in NFL Mark Barron (2012): Played SS at Alabama, LB in NFL Deone Buchanon (2014): Played SS at Wazzu, LB in NFL I asked about FS to SS and you gave me one time that happened. And Berry wasn't from a small school. And it's not just about speed. Otherwise Rico slow *** would be SS Also Jenkins 40 is faster than Sherman's. Just an example. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Summerhill 1,641 Posted February 1, 2018 Share Posted February 1, 2018 2 minutes ago, Yo_Lover said: I asked about FS to SS and you gave me one time that happened. And Berry wasn't from a small school. And it's not just about speed. Otherwise Rico slow *** would be SS If that's what you want to get hung up about, knock yourself out. But the larger point remains in order to compete in the NFL, players in the defensive backfield bump down to slower positions all the time. Reeves is basically the same size as Neal. The Falcons have a warm body in Neasman backing up Neal. IMO Reeves could very easily be looked at as a backup SS. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Ovie_Lover 29,588 Posted February 1, 2018 Share Posted February 1, 2018 1 minute ago, Summerhill said: If that's what you want to get hung up about, knock yourself out. But the larger point remains in order to compete in the NFL, players in the defensive backfield bump down to slower positions all the time. Reeves is basically the same size as Neal. The Falcons have a warm body in Neasman backing up Neal. IMO Reeves could very easily be looked at as a backup SS. If they get bumped down then explain Browner, Sherman, Peters, etc Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Summerhill 1,641 Posted February 1, 2018 Share Posted February 1, 2018 11 minutes ago, Yo_Lover said: If they get bumped down then explain Browner, Sherman, Peters, etc They're elite. If you're a college CB and don't have elite NFL skills your choice is work at UPS or try and play safety. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Ovie_Lover 29,588 Posted February 1, 2018 Share Posted February 1, 2018 1 hour ago, Summerhill said: They're elite. If you're a college CB and don't have elite NFL skills your choice is work at UPS or try and play safety. Browner was far from elite. Peters isn't really elite either. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Summerhill 1,641 Posted February 1, 2018 Share Posted February 1, 2018 35 minutes ago, Yo_Lover said: Browner was far from elite. Peters isn't really elite either. If they're making Pro Bowls, they're elite. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Ovie_Lover 29,588 Posted February 1, 2018 Share Posted February 1, 2018 14 minutes ago, Summerhill said: If they're making Pro Bowls, they're elite. that is the most ridiculous thing I've ever heard Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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