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Here's the magic: Since Trump doesn't give a **** about inequality or declining real wages it doesn't matter.

It's literally a chain email that boomers forward to each other.    https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/canadian-health-care/

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2 hours ago, Doozer said:

Because doing magazine photoshoots,wearing clothes made for the uber-rich, is about fighting for a living wage. :lol:

Getting your message out is the point so, yeah, it is. Not exactly her fault you guys have no argument and clutch on any straw you can find to not address what she's advocating for.

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8 minutes ago, WhenFalconsWin said:

Technically it does, more money to go around for consumers to pay the exorbitant ACA fees.

So singlepayer and subsidizing college like it was back in your day is free stuff and bad but throwing money at farmers hurt by Trump's tariffs since 80% of their market no longer will buy their product is good because we'll get money somehow which means it's super good.

Cool. Sounds very brainwormy.

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2 minutes ago, Psychic Gibbon said:

So singlepayer and subsidizing college like it was back in your day is free stuff and bad but throwing money at farmers hurt by Trump's tariffs since 80% of their market no longer will buy their product is good because we'll get money somehow which means it's super good.

Cool. Sounds very brainwormy.

Getting fair trade lowers consumers cost on many things which translates into more cash for the average citizen.

When your costs on cars, health, and other consumables are cheaper you can thank Trump in front of me 

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Just now, WhenFalconsWin said:

Getting fair trade lowers consumers cost on many things which translates into more cash for the average citizen.

When your costs on cars, health, and other consumables are cheaper you can thank Trump in front of me 

I know this will go in one ear and out the other but whatever.

1. The American dollar is the standard for global reserves and trade liquidity. To simplify that as much as possible, because of this we can effectively trade greenbacks for raw materials and manufactured goods while getting a cut of the global trade pie because everyone else is using our currency. That system, however, only functions if there are more dollars going out than coming back in (ie. if we run trade deficits). That means the trade balances out and works out for us in the end even if it looks less than ideal on the ledgers.

Here's the wiki for how this global trade system came to be: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bretton_Woods_Conference

2. Corporations will only move production back here if the profits of doing so exceed what they're making now by taking advantage of dirt cheap, unorganized labor, no regulations, and so on. That happens with some industries, such as car manufacturing (which is why a lot of foreign auto companies have factories here), but for the most part they're remaining overseas. The ways to combat this are to either to gut our own labor expectations in a race to the bottom or to undermine the current profit motive by, say, replacing current corporate structures with worker cooperative models.

Trump's trade wars, if successful (though so far he hasn't been), fundamentally undermines #1 and does absolutely nothing to address #2.

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1 minute ago, Psychic Gibbon said:

I know this will go in one ear and out the other but whatever.

1. The American dollar is the standard for global reserves and trade liquidity. To simplify that as much as possible, because of this we can effectively trade greenbacks for raw materials and manufactured goods while getting a cut of the global trade pie because everyone else is using our currency. That system, however, only functions if there are more dollars going out than coming back in (ie. if we run trade deficits). That means the trade balances out and works out for us in the end even if it looks less than ideal on the ledgers.

Here's the wiki for how this global trade system came to be: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bretton_Woods_Conference

2. Corporations will only move production back here if the profits of doing so exceed what they're making now by taking advantage of dirt cheap, unorganized labor, no regulations, and so on. That happens with some industries, such as car manufacturing (which is why a lot of foreign auto companies have factories here), but for the most part they're remaining overseas. The ways to combat this are to either to gut our own labor expectations in a race to the bottom or to undermine the current profit motive by, say, replacing current corporate structures with worker cooperative models.

Trump's trade wars, if successful (though so far he hasn't been), fundamentally undermines #1 and does absolutely nothing to address #2.

I don't know where to start with this, except to say the "fair concept" eludes the left.

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