Sign in to follow this  
Followers 0
achilles return

us politics and elections thread

2,175 posts in this topic

3 hours ago, Psychic Gibbon said:

It's mostly due to elective procedures. Otherwise their wait times are comparable to ours.

This was sent from Canada to a friend in the States.

 

I saw on the news up here in Canada where Hillary Clinton introduced her new health care plan. Something similar to what we have in Canada. I also heard that Michael Moore was raving about the health care up here in Canada in his latest movie. As your friend and someone who lives with the Canada health care plan I thought I would give you some facts about this great medical plan that we have in Canada.

First of all:

1) The health care plan in Canada is not free. We pay a premium every month of $96 for Shirley and I to be covered. Sounds great eh. What they don’t tell you is how much we pay in taxes to keep the health care system afloat. I am personally in the 55% tax bracket. Yes 55% of my earnings go to taxes. A large portion of that and I am not sure of 

of the exact amount goes directly to health care our #1 expense.

2) I would not classify what we have as health care plan, it is more like a health diagnosis system. You can get into to see a doctor quick enough so he can tell you “yes indeed you are sick or you need an operation” but now the challenge becomes getting treated or operated on. We have waiting lists out the ying yang some as much as 2 years down the road.

3) Rather than fix what is wrong with you the usual tactic in Canada is to prescribe drugs. Have a pain here is a drug to take — not what is causing the pain and why. No time for checking you out because it is more important to move as many patients thru as possible each hour for Government re-imbursement

4) Many Canadians do not have a family Doctor.

Don’t require emergency treatment as you may wait for hours in the emergency room waiting for treatment.

6) Shirley’s dad cut his hand on a power saw a few weeks back and it required that his hand be put in a splint – to our surprise we had to pay $125 for a splint because it is not covered under health care plus we have to pay $60 for each visit for him to check it out each week.

7) Shirley’s cousin was diagnosed with a heart blockage. Put on a waiting list. Died before he could get treatment.

8) Government allots so many operations per year. When that is done no more operations, unless you go to your local newspaper and plead your case and embarrass the government then money suddenly appears.

) The Government takes great pride in telling us how much more they are increasing the funding for health care but waiting lists never get shorter. Government just

keeps throwing money at the problem but it never goes away. But they are good at finding new ways to tax us, but they don’t call it a tax anymore it is now a user fee.

10) A friend needs an operation for a blockage in her leg but because she is a smoker they will not do it. Despite paying into the health care system all these years. My friend is 65 years old. Now there is talk that maybe we should not treat fat and obese people either because they are a drain on the health care system. Let me see now, what we want in Canada is a health care system for healthy people only. That should reduce our health care costs.

11) Forget getting a second opinion, what you see is what you get.

12) I can spend what money I have left after taxes on booze, cigarettes, junk food and anything else that could kill me but I am not allowed by law to spend my money on getting an operation I need because that would be jumping the queue. I must wait my turn except if I am a hockey player or athlete then I can get looked at right away. Go figger. Where else in the world can you spend money to kill yourself but not allowed to spend money to get healthy.

13) Oh did I mention that immigrants are covered automatically at tax payer expense having never contributed a dollar to the system and pay no premiums.

14) Oh yeh we now give free needles to drug users to try and keep them healthy. Wouldn’t want a sickly druggie breaking into your house and stealing your things. But people with diabetes who pay into the health care system have to pay for their needles because it is not covered but the health care system.

I send this out not looking for sympathy but as the election looms in the states you will be hearing more and more about universal health care down there and the advocates will be pointing to Canada. I just want to make sure that you hear the truth about health care up here and have some food for thought and informed questions to ask when broached with this subject.

Step wisely and don’t make the same mistakes we have.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
14 minutes ago, WhenFalconsWin said:

This was sent from Canada to a friend in the States.

 

I saw on the news up here in Canada where Hillary Clinton introduced her new health care plan. Something similar to what we have in Canada. I also heard that Michael Moore was raving about the health care up here in Canada in his latest movie. As your friend and someone who lives with the Canada health care plan I thought I would give you some facts about this great medical plan that we have in Canada.

First of all:

1) The health care plan in Canada is not free. We pay a premium every month of $96 for Shirley and I to be covered. Sounds great eh. What they don’t tell you is how much we pay in taxes to keep the health care system afloat. I am personally in the 55% tax bracket. Yes 55% of my earnings go to taxes. A large portion of that and I am not sure of

I'm just going to stop it there.

The top tax rate in Canada is 33%.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

 

If you are not in the heat with the mainstream candidate, you might as well drop out. If you are not on stage with Bernie/Biden/Harris/etc, you do not have a chance. 

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
1 hour ago, GEORGIAfan said:

 

If you are not in the heat with the mainstream candidate, you might as well drop out. If you are not on stage with Bernie/Biden/Harris/etc, you do not have a chance. 

IIRC, if enough candidates qualify and they need two debates then they're going to randomize the candidates so there isn't a main group and a kid's table group. Though if it randomizes them so the top candidates are in one debate then, yeah, no one is going to give a **** about the other one.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
17 hours ago, Psychic Gibbon said:

IIRC, if enough candidates qualify and they need two debates then they're going to randomize the candidates so there isn't a main group and a kid's table group. Though if it randomizes them so the top candidates are in one debate then, yeah, no one is going to give a **** about the other one.

Send it

Psychic Gibbon likes this

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
21 minutes ago, GEORGIAfan said:

 

kamala is killing it in the invisible primary. Lee and Delores are big. She also seems to be doing well in event turnout. 

 

Isn't she the one who said Obama voters were racist for not supporting Hillary?

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
1 hour ago, Psychic Gibbon said:
Top is still the same. Harris seems to be eating into Beto's support. Booker continues to wallow with the ones we know don't have a shot.
1

Polling now doesn't mean much. As long as you are on the main debate stage, you are good. And your chance isn't a function of your polling in a national poll. 1st, there isn't a national primary and states don't vote on the same day. What matters now is do you have a path to winning the primary based on the map. 2nd, we are still a year away. 3rd, debates haven't even started which is what generates the biggest amount of movement. 

Black voters represent roughly 25% of the primary electorate. That is a sizable portion, but to make matters worse for the other candidates, they usually vote as a block. This makes their voice extremely important to winning the primary. And to add onto that, the states with large amounts of delegates and black voters vote early. 

Candidates like Bernie, Biden, Booker, and Harris clearly have a strong chance to win over black voters. They all have high name recognition and favorability among black voters. That is why I rate them highly in having a chance. They have a much easier and clearer path. Brown/Klobuchar/Beto/Warren need a few more things to bounce their way to have a path to win. 

 

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Her staff really does hate her. Why would you campaign in a state that doesn't have a primary until APRIL?!?!?! By the time we get to april, something like 60% of delegates will have been allocated. 

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
13 hours ago, AF89 said:

For some reason I think there's a 75% Beto is VP nominee. Nothing to back that up just a gut prediction.

It makes a lot of sense. If a female/poc candidate wins, I think there will be pressure to balance the ticket with a white male candidate. Beto helps put TX in play, can excite the youth vote and grassroots support, and is a moderate. He won't bring the governing experience that Biden brought, but I don't think there are any Biden like VP candidates. 

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
4 hours ago, GEORGIAfan said:
Her staff really does hate her. Why would you campaign in a state that doesn't have a primary until APRIL?!?!?! By the time we get to april, something like 60% of delegates will have been allocated. 

 

Klobuchar is throwing epic shade.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Create an account or sign in to comment

You need to be a member in order to leave a comment

Create an account

Sign up for a new account in our community. It's easy!


Register a new account

Sign in

Already have an account? Sign in here.


Sign In Now
Sign in to follow this  
Followers 0