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TD, Smith, and Quinn have all benefited from having a hall of fame QB on the team.  They've never had to worry about playing a backup for any significant amount of time.  At the end of the day, all of these guys will be thanking Ryan for their success.  Ryan, of course, will be thanking everyone else, because that's who he is.

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7 hours ago, BirdHeadKemo said:

He's definitely one of the better GMs in the league but lets face it he has made a bunch of questionable decisions. I think Dan Quinn helped him out a ton. It was a draft stat out there saying that through certain years of him being our GM a lot of our picks weren't in the league anymore. He's good financially tho.

To me all DQ did was provide TD with a very clear picture of what he wanted that never became convoluted like it did under MS and co at the end of his tenure.Sure TD like many have mentioned has made mistakes but for the most part he's been on point.

Outside of winning a SB the move to grab Julio Jones while giving away 2 drafts will go down as one of the most ballsey moves by a GM in NFL history.Looking back to 2011 was he wrong I don't think so.

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1 hour ago, Sun Tzu 7 said:

Again,  I totally understand why there was a clear need for Matthews. 

But I think your kind of missing the point.  You would think that Smith and staff would have seen Donald in practice and realized what they were working with and been like ‘I know we need an LT but this kid is unbelievable.’

And technically Baker was an issue every season except for maybe 2.  I loved the Matthews pick at the time and still do.  But the point was about Smith & staff’s ability to evaluate line talent.  They had Lamar Holmes starting over Ryan Schrader for example...

Understand the point, it’s just wrong. Atlanta taking matthews was a no-Brainer to protect its franchise qb....a lot of teams s/b questioned on passing on Donald, but not falcons. If we had picked Donald over matthews, our qb would be dead by now. 

And No, UDFA Schrader was discovered by and became falcons starting right tackle under TD/smith coaching staff....as a rookie no less. 

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6 minutes ago, OilFuturesTrader19 said:

I'm not a TD basher.......I think he has done a good job.

But this team went to the next level in regards to draft and personnel because of Dan Quinn.

Why would you say that?

TD and his scouts still have to go evaluate and pick the talent.

I will say this the vision is very clear and I will say DQ has made TD and co's job easier for sure in that regard.

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24 minutes ago, kiwifalcon said:

Why would you say that?

TD and his scouts still have to go evaluate and pick the talent.

I will say this the vision is very clear and I will say DQ has made TD and co's job easier for sure in that regard.

I say that because it's true. what's the difference? TD and his scouts worked with Smitty and Quinn. Did they do as well when Smitty was there? NO! So, the difference has been Quinn. Simple.

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5 minutes ago, OilFuturesTrader19 said:

I say that because it's true. what's the difference? TD and his scouts worked with Smitty and Quinn. Did they do as well when Smitty was there? NO! So, the difference has been Quinn. Simple.

It's not that simple because the difference being the narrative changed with MS he never liked leaning on young talent the scheme Defensively was convoluted so the message wasn't as clear as it was with DQ.

DQs defensive scheme is simple so he knows exactly what he needs MS on the other hand chopped and changed with Pornstache and Nolan completely different schemes square peg into round hole scenario talent wise.

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14 minutes ago, kiwifalcon said:

It's not that simple because the difference being the narrative changed with MS he never liked leaning on young talent the scheme Defensively was convoluted so the message wasn't as clear as it was with DQ.

DQs defensive scheme is simple so he knows exactly what he needs MS on the other hand chopped and changed with Pornstache and Nolan completely different schemes square peg into round hole scenario talent wise.

So, you are telling me Smitty didn't know talent and Quinn does know talent. Exactly what I said. Quinn is the difference. Look at the quality of the drafts between Mike Smith and Dan Quinn. From top to bottom. Is TD responsible for this difference?

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1 hour ago, Vandy said:

Understand the point, it’s just wrong. Atlanta taking matthews was a no-Brainer to protect its franchise qb....a lot of teams s/b questioned on passing on Donald, but not falcons. If we had picked Donald over matthews, our qb would be dead by now. 

And No, UDFA Schrader was discovered by and became falcons starting right tackle under TD/smith coaching staff....as a rookie no less. 

I don’t think Schrader was a starter in his rookie season unless Holmes was injured.

As a matter of fact I think Holmes started 2013 and the beginning of 2014

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48 minutes ago, Sun Tzu 7 said:

I don’t think Schrader was a starter in his rookie season unless Holmes was injured.

As a matter of fact I think Holmes started 2013 and the beginning of 2014

Schraeder started 4 games his rookie season as an UDFA. Holmes started Year at RT, then switched over to LT when baker got injured. 

Schraeder started 12 Games at RT year 2.

an UDFA was discovered by smith coaching staff and started 16 games his 1st two seasons in league, which is practically unheard of in nfl. You’re the one who brought him up, but he’s a piss poor example of your “Smith can’t evaluate talent” narrative. 

You gonna bring up Brent Grimes and Paul worrilow next?

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1 hour ago, OilFuturesTrader19 said:

So, you are telling me Smitty didn't know talent and Quinn does know talent. Exactly what I said. Quinn is the difference. Look at the quality of the drafts between Mike Smith and Dan Quinn. From top to bottom. Is TD responsible for this difference?

No what I'm telling you is because MS message became convoluted it made TDs job harder.

DQ runs a very simple scheme so he knows exactly what he needs from his players and it also allows younger players to acclimate quicker.

The reason why TD is able to get the players DQ wants is because the message is very clear what he wants with MS at the end of it god knows what he wanted.

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7 minutes ago, kiwifalcon said:

No what I'm telling you is because MS message became convoluted it made TDs job harder.

DQ runs a very simple scheme so he knows exactly what he needs from his players and it also allows younger players to acclimate quicker.

The reason why TD is able to get the players DQ wants is because the message is very clear what he wants with MS at the end of it god knows what he wanted.

You do realize that Quinn is telling him who to draft..right?

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14 minutes ago, kiwifalcon said:

I know they have a discussion about it for sure but because the message is clear TDs job is a lot easier.

 

TD worked with Smitty to get him the players he wanted. Likewise, He's doing the same with Quinn.

Yes, the message is clearer and TD's guys are finding guy's that Quinn wants.

Clearly, the difference has been Quinn.

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6 hours ago, OilFuturesTrader19 said:

You do realize that Quinn is telling him who to draft..right?

 

I don't think so. We have multiple GM type guys and a group of scouts. My guess is that Quinn tells them the type of guys he likes at each position and they shoot for that.

 

Quin simply does not have the time to scout like the other guys do. 

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11 hours ago, FalconFanSince1969 said:

That 2012 defense that gave up 42 points to the Packers and couldn't force ONE first down?

 

 

 

No...that was 2010.     Our offense turned the ball over 4 times that day and Rodgers had one of his fire games...mostly going after Chris Owens who was filling in an injured Brian Williams. 

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1 hour ago, thesouphead said:

 

I don't think so. We have multiple GM type guys and a group of scouts. My guess is that Quinn tells them the type of guys he likes at each position and they shoot for that.

 

Quin simply does not have the time to scout like the other guys do. 

True. He's not a scout. But the scouts give him a list of players and then he watches film of them with TD and he determines if they are a scheme fit or not. So, in essence, he's making the call of who he wants for his scheme, at least on the defensive side. I'm sure the Offensive coordinator is making the call for the offensive players too. Probably why Marvin Hall is playing above Nick Williams. This is obvious.

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