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For those people who think our defense is fine,

Atlanta ranks 31st in the league in rush defense DVOA and was dead last as recently as one week ago

Who here thinks deion jones needs to get bigger? I think he's regressed this year and hasn't made any impactful plays. Getting beat by opposing rbs,  numerous missed tackles. I think he needs to beef up. Our defense is getting pushed around like little girls. I don't think any teams are scared of our defense at all!!!

 

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I am typically pretty positive but imo the defense is not fine.

These stats don't represent the whole picture by any means, there have certainly been bright spots. It is very telling, however, that we are on the field for fewer drives than most teams but the opponent's drives last longer by both plays and TOS.  That contributes to our ppg.  Teams are scoring on us, they're just doing it slowly eating up clock.    

We aren't creating many takeaways, and we're one of the worst defenses in the league on tackling efficiency.  If all of this adds up to fine then I guess I'm not OK with fine.

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http://www.footballoutsiders.com/stats/drivestatsdef

These stats are computed from NFL Drive Charts and are not adjusted for strength of schedule or situation.

TO/Dr represents turnovers per drive. FUM/Dr represents fumbles lost per drive. LOS/Dr represents average starting field position (line of scrimmage) per drive. TOP/Dr represents time of possession per drive. DSR represents Drive Success Rate, as introduced in Pro Football Prospectus 2005, which measures the percentage of down series that result in a first down or touchdown. Take-a-knee drives at the end of a half are discarded.

The top number in each category is in bold type.  NFL ranking is in parentheses.

 

Team Drives Yds/Dr Pts/Dr TOs/Dr INT/Dr FUM/Dr LOS/Dr Plays/Dr TOP/Dr DSR
JAC 146 23.08   (1) 1.12   (1) .178   (2) .110   (4) .068   (3) 27.29 (10) 5.23   (3) 2:20   (1) .599   (1)
DEN 144 24.85   (2) 1.93 (14) .076 (30) .049 (27) .028 (28) 34.88 (32) 5.10   (1) 2:25   (3) .644   (5)
BAL 144 25.71   (3) 1.42   (2) .201   (1) .139   (1) .062   (4) 27.28   (9) 5.45   (5) 2:31   (7) .632   (2)
PIT 131 26.24   (4) 1.54   (5) .130 (10) .092   (7) .038 (20) 26.60   (5) 5.51   (6) 2:34 (12) .639   (4)
PHI 134 27.06   (5) 1.50   (3) .157   (4) .119   (2) .037 (21) 27.83 (18) 5.53   (8) 2:24   (2) .638   (3)
CAR 128 27.26   (6) 1.74 (11) .086 (26) .039 (30) .047 (13) 27.76 (16) 5.45   (4) 2:31   (6) .657   (7)
ARI 144 27.68   (7) 1.99 (20) .097 (24) .076 (14) .021 (32) 28.47 (21) 5.57 (10) 2:33 (10) .671 (11)
MIN 126 28.22   (8) 1.60   (6) .103 (21) .071 (18) .032 (23) 27.79 (17) 5.91 (18) 2:37 (15) .664   (9)
LARM 140 28.24   (9) 1.62   (8) .143   (7) .100   (5) .043 (17) 27.59 (12) 5.51   (7) 2:32   (8) .655   (6)
SEA 140 28.43 (10) 1.54   (4) .121 (13) .071 (19) .050 (11) 26.67   (6) 5.66 (13) 2:32   (9) .669 (10)
TEN 135 28.51 (11) 1.98 (18) .119 (14) .074 (15) .044 (16) 29.38 (24) 6.02 (19) 2:41 (16) .699 (22)
MIA 135 28.81 (12) 2.01 (21) .104 (20) .052 (25) .052   (7) 28.06 (19) 5.53   (9) 2:41 (17) .698 (20)
WAS 135 28.83 (13) 2.07 (24) .119 (15) .089   (8) .030 (26) 29.79 (27) 5.72 (15) 2:36 (13) .686 (15)
HOU 142 29.30 (14) 1.99 (19) .099 (23) .070 (20) .028 (27) 29.11 (22) 5.19   (2) 2:26   (4) .659   (8)
CLE 136 29.43 (15) 2.05 (23) .081 (29) .044 (28) .037 (22) 29.76 (26) 5.70 (14) 2:47 (20) .686 (16)
LACH 131 30.56 (16) 1.61   (7) .160   (3) .115   (3) .046 (15) 27.15   (8) 6.03 (20) 2:49 (21) .675 (12)
Team Drives Yds/Dr Pts/Dr TOs/Dr INT/Dr FUM/Dr LOS/Dr Plays/Dr TOP/Dr DSR
NO 130 30.65 (17) 1.78 (12) .108 (18) .085 (10) .023 (30) 25.44   (3) 5.75 (16) 2:37 (14) .677 (13)
CIN 134 30.90 (18) 1.72 (10) .082 (27) .060 (22) .022 (31) 27.67 (13) 6.40 (31) 2:56 (27) .683 (14)
NYJ 139 31.01 (19) 1.96 (16) .122 (12) .072 (17) .050   (9) 27.76 (15) 5.65 (12) 2:31   (5) .692 (18)
DET 140 31.05 (20) 1.96 (17) .136   (9) .079 (11) .057   (6) 28.46 (20) 5.60 (11) 2:33 (11) .702 (23)
CHI 124 31.52 (21) 1.93 (13) .113 (16) .040 (29) .073   (1) 29.13 (23) 6.35 (28) 3:08 (32) .698 (19)
ATL 119 32.06 (22) 1.93 (15) .076 (31) .025 (31) .050   (8) 30.14 (30) 6.65 (32) 3:07 (31) .725 (30)
SF 135 32.08 (23) 2.14 (27) .081 (28) .052 (26) .030 (25) 30.00 (29) 6.04 (21) 2:55 (25) .710 (24)
NYG 140 32.81 (24) 2.04 (22) .107 (19) .057 (24) .050 (10) 29.95 (28) 5.89 (17) 2:45 (18) .690 (17)
BUF 131 33.13 (25) 2.07 (25) .145   (5) .099   (6) .046 (14) 29.45 (25) 6.15 (24) 2:55 (26) .718 (28)
OAK 123 33.71 (26) 2.15 (29) .057 (32) .008 (32) .049 (12) 26.82   (7) 6.15 (25) 2:58 (29) .698 (21)
GB 125 33.98 (27) 2.14 (28) .144   (6) .072 (16) .072   (2) 30.58 (31) 6.38 (30) 3:04 (30) .722 (29)
TB 128 35.01 (28) 2.16 (31) .141   (8) .078 (12) .062   (5) 27.70 (14) 6.09 (23) 2:50 (24) .716 (27)
IND 130 35.03 (29) 2.19 (32) .108 (17) .077 (13) .031 (24) 27.45 (11) 6.05 (22) 2:50 (23) .713 (25)
DAL 121 35.17 (30) 2.16 (30) .099 (22) .058 (23) .041 (18) 25.31   (2) 6.36 (29) 2:57 (28) .729 (31)
KC 130 36.25 (31) 2.11 (26) .092 (25) .069 (21) .023 (29) 25.65   (4) 6.35 (27) 2:50 (22) .739 (32)
NE 125 36.26 (32) 1.68   (9) .128 (11) .088   (9) .040 (19) 24.70   (1) 6.25 (26) 2:46 (19) .714 (26)
Avg 133 30.29 1.86 .117 .073 .043 28.20 5.83 2:42 .685
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7 minutes ago, PeytonMannings Forehead said:

Not far off from what I've seeing. I don't know that theyre #31 bad but the run defense has been a problem for a while now and I'm really not sure how it gets fixed at this point.

Hopefully the light comes on like it can do with talent. 

Moving forward, the only thing I can think of is that we need at least two more players that are equally effective against the run and the pass. 

I feel like our need to rotate players in to cover certain bases probably hurts us, overall. That could certainly be wrong but clearly theres something deeper going on. 

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2 minutes ago, DoYouSeeWhatHappensLarry said:

Moving forward, the only thing I can think of is that we need at least two more players that are equally effective against the run and the pass. 

I feel like our need to rotate players in to cover certain bases probably hurts us, overall. That could certainly be wrong but clearly theres something deeper going on. 

This is kind of what I’ve been seeing from the jump.

 

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Guess Im on my own here but I don't think the run defense has been all that bad this year.  Other than the Dolphins game, I don't remember a game where we got run all over (maybe the Bears game).  We struggled with Cam and Russell's scrambling, but I think that's different.  Call me crazy.

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7 minutes ago, DriveHomeSafelyAtlantaWins said:

Yeah, and having poor run defense KILLS you.

If run defense is your only problem that's like a pilot whose only problem is blindness.

I don't know that it's Deion's fault ... I do agree our ends fail to keep containment a lot.

It’s not all Deion’s fault but some of his size and strength limitations are starting to show up more and more, especially when he has to fit a gap. 

@Jerz posted one of those gifs from one of those Allen Strk breakdowns a few weeks ago where he fit the gap perfectly and didn’t have the strength to anchor. Guard just nudged him right aside and the run popped right in that hole.

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Yeah, my Christmas wish list is a big powerful DT and at least one LB that is built to blowup the run lanes.

On offense a case of stickum for each WR and TE. Maybe get Matt to not put so much power behind the under 15 yard passes. With at least one more O-lineman to help sure up the short falls of our line. Man they need help in how to make blocks on LBs. Some plays they just stand a watch the LB run past them and make the play. They look slow or at least like they are in mud.

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6 minutes ago, Clark said:

Guess Im on my own here but I don't think the run defense has been all that bad this year.  Other than the Dolphins game, I don't remember a game where we got run all over (maybe the Bears game).  We struggled with Cam and Russell's scrambling, but I think that's different.  Call me crazy.

Yea, I don't think that's really crazy.  The one that stands out to me is the Dolphins game.  Russell and Cam breaking off runs against us is different.  

The counter to that to me would be that we faced a Cowboys team without Zeke.  The Seahawks rushing attack has  been poor all year sans Russell and the Bucs...well they're the Bucs.  Forte was upset about the Jets game for saying they abandoned the run too early.  

Saints Oline hasn't gotten a lot of credit for what they've done.  All the bouquets have been thrown to the RB duo.  I don't think we're in store for a Saints/Bills performance tonight.  Especially if we can put some points on a D that I'm not convinced is as improved as advertised with the Saints.

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31 minutes ago, Clark said:

Guess Im on my own here but I don't think the run defense has been all that bad this year.  Other than the Dolphins game, I don't remember a game where we got run all over (maybe the Bears game).  We struggled with Cam and Russell's scrambling, but I think that's different.  Call me crazy.

They raw totals haven’t always reflected it but when teams throughout the season have decided to lean on their run game vs Atlanta, this defense has had trouble holding up. The Bills had three double-digit play drives sparked by their run game. They had a 19 play drive in the second half that started on their own 12 yard line with 8:20 left on the clock in the 3rd quarter. It didn’t end until 12:03 of the 4th quarter on Atlanta’s 6 yard line. 15 runs in 19 plays where they just straight housed the front 7 and ran it right down their throat and Atlanta couldn’t do a thing.

You already pointed out Miami. New England pounded us in the second half with their run.

Jets game was stellar and i thought we actually did pretty well against Carolina’s base runs, especially the inside zone stuff but then you get to Tampa a few weeks ago. They only ran for 94 yards, but they were getting yards when they wanted them.  Even after Doug went out Quizz came in and it looked like no one could get off a block, no one could make a tackle the LOS. Every run, the back was leaning forward and putting them in 2nd and manageable.

 

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Nothing matters except points on the scoreboard when the clock hits quadruple zeros. 

That being said, this defense is giving up 20 points per game. That's 13th in the league.

In retrospect that "Mighty Saints" all "improved" defense is ALSO giving up 20 points per game. However they are 9-2 and we aren't. Why? Because our offense is putting up an average of 23 points per game and the Saints are dropping 30 per game on average. They are the Falcons of 2016. If the Falcons of 2017 want to get in the playoffs, they better put 30 on the board tonight. 

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Our edge defenders are a huge reason for this. They are great pass rushers, but tend to give up the edge against the run. Sometimes they really struggle to hold the point of attack.

When you build defense for speed, this is one downfall of it. Personally, I think we need a heftier thumping LB and a stout DE. Also if we don’t retain Poe (who has been okay, not a world beater), we definitely need to add some more beef to the interior DL. We have been getting pushed around this year against the run. 

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5 minutes ago, A-TowN.- said:

Our edge defenders are a huge reason for this. They are great pass rushers, but tend to give up the edge against the run. Sometimes they really struggle to hold the point of attack.

When you build defense for speed, this is one downfall of it. Personally, I think we need a heftier thumping LB and a stout DE. Also if we don’t retain Poe (who has been okay, not a world beater), we definitely need to add some more beef to the interior DL. We have been getting pushed around this year against the run. 

I think the bold is true regardless of the status of Poe next year.

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4 minutes ago, Byrdman242424 said:

Nothing matters except points on the scoreboard when the clock hits quadruple zeros. 

That being said, this defense is giving up 20 points per game. That's 13th in the league.

In retrospect that "Mighty Saints" all "improved" defense is ALSO giving up 20 points per game. However they are 9-2 and we aren't. Why? Because our offense is putting up an average of 23 points per game and the Saints are dropping 30 per game on average. They are the Falcons of 2016. If the Falcons of 2017 want to get in the playoffs, they better put 30 on the board tonight. 

You have to look at the average per drive stats for both defenses. @vel started banging this drum a few weeks ago and it’s becoming more apparent.

Atlanta’s defense on average let’s opponents get off 6.6 plays per drive. That ranks 32 in the league.

New Orleans defense lets surrenders 5.8 plays to opposing offenses. That’s 15th in the league.

the raw plays may not seem like much but it adds up over the course of a game and adds up to New Orleans defense giving their offense more opportunities with the ball that Atlanta and with better starting field position.

If you look at the per play drive stats for Atlanta and New Orleans offenses they are neck and neck save for starting field position where New Orleans ranks 7th in starting field position and Atlanta ranks 32.

i don’t much care for the saints defense but they have been giving their offense the ball back more frequently and with better starting field position.

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19 minutes ago, Byrdman242424 said:

Nothing matters except points on the scoreboard when the clock hits quadruple zeros. 

That being said, this defense is giving up 20 points per game. That's 13th in the league.

In retrospect that "Mighty Saints" all "improved" defense is ALSO giving up 20 points per game. However they are 9-2 and we aren't. Why? Because our offense is putting up an average of 23 points per game and the Saints are dropping 30 per game on average. They are the Falcons of 2016. If the Falcons of 2017 want to get in the playoffs, they better put 30 on the board tonight. 

It's never that cut and dry. What happens if a team runs the ball down your throat at the end of the 4th quarter only to take a knee on the 5 to end the game?

No points are recorded, but your defense cost you the game

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Fixing Special Teams and becoming "first drive and you score" on offense like last year is critical.

The way the Pats eventually came back was a lot of breaks their way yet all the while methodically letting our D tire itself out. No more pass rush and they could close the comeback. Keep passing off to their back and let our offense fall out of rhythm.

This year? Defense can't stop the run so they are negating our "build a big lead and rush the QB" roster moves this offseason.

Poe was supposed to become a huge enabler for our run D. What happened? Duke failed? Hageman/Crawford being gone hurt us a lot...

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3 minutes ago, slimjim said:

Fixing Special Teams and becoming "first drive and you score" on offense like last year is critical.

The way the Pats eventually came back was a lot of breaks their way was all the while methodically letting our D tire itself out. No more pass rush and they could close the comeback. Keep passing off to their back and let our offense fall out of rhythm.

This year? Defense can't stop the run so they are negating our "build a big lead and rush the QB" roster moves this offseason.

Poe was supposed to become a huge enabler for our run D. What happened? Duke failed? Hageman/Crawford being gone hurt us a lot...

I'd settle for the Special Teams not being a legitimate obstacle at the beginning of 75% of drives. 

I think the Hageman loss was a pretty big one, TBH. It also feels like weve been hit pretty hard, in both the run game and the pass game, by plays that reverse field and work against the momentum of the defense. Happens every week, really. 

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