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Jerusalem 101: Why President Trumps Policy is Yuge

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Many here won't click on a link to save their lives, so I will post this article in its entirety. This historical action by our President is a Big deal in many ways. As we've seen many times before any action Israel takes is met by a chorus of hate in the Middle East and like we will see in due time, by our left media types. Not all mind you, as there are some deeper thinkers on the left, and some who really understand this monumental day for Israeli's alike. So for those who will never allow a positive to be told or said about our President, he is getting things done, and more importantly, big things like this.

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President Donald Trump is announcing Wednesday that the U.S. officially recognizes Jerusalem as the capital of Israel, and that the State Department will begin the process of moving the embassy to Jerusalem from Tel Aviv.

It might be unclear at first why that policy change is so important. Jerusalem is, after all, the de facto capital of Israel. The Israeli parliament (Knesset) is there, as are the prime minister’s office, the president’s residence, the Supreme Court, and all of the executive agencies. Israelis consider Jerusalem their capital whether or not the U.S. recognizes it as such. As a practical matter, the change is symbolic. But as such, it is still extremely important.

To understand why, it is important to understand the history of the city. The Old Testament describes in 2 Samuel 5 how King David conquered the city and made it his capital, over 3000 years ago. It later describes in 1 Kings 8 how David’s son, King Solomon, built the Holy Temple and installed the Ark of the Covenant there. Since then, Jews have always faced Jerusalem in their daily prayers. It is the center of the Jewish faith and the core of Jewish history.

The Bible also tells the story of how the Jews were exiled from Jerusalem by the Babylonians, and later returned to rebuild the Temple. Another exile happened after 70 A.D., when the Romans destroyed the Second Temple and the city itself. Still, many Jews remained, and Jews worldwide prayed for 2,000 years for a return to “Zion.” Jews have been the largest ethnic group in Jerusalem for nearly 200 years, and a majority since the mid-nineteenth century.

Jerusalem is also holy to Christians and to Muslims, though it is less central to either. And under Israeli sovereignty, all religions have enjoyed the freedom to worship at their respective holy sites. The Temple Mount — or Haram ash-Sharif, to Muslims — has only been closed when there are imminent security threats, as radicals have sometimes used that holy site to attack Jews worshipping at the Western Wall — the last remnant of the Temple — below.

 

Jews began returning to the region in large numbers in the late nineteenth century as part of the Zionist movement, which aimed to re-establish Israel as a modern state, and as a refuge for the persecuted Jews of Europe. In 1917, the British government backed the establishment of a Jewish “national home” in what was then called Palestine (though the Arabs of the region did not call themselves Palestinians), in lands under British control since World War One.

The Jewish community of Jerusalem had, by then, expanded beyond the Old City and developed neighborhoods to the west. In 1947, the United Nations voted to approve the partition of Palestine west of the Jordan River into two states — one Jewish, one Arab. Jerusalem was to be an international city, not under the control of either side. The Jews accepted the plan and declared independence in 1948; the Arabs rejected the plan and declared war instead.

During that war, Arab forces fought to sever the connection between the Jewish community in Jerusalem and the Jewish communities further west. There was only one road to Jerusalem, and it was constantly under attack. In the Old City, Jewish fighters were eventually overrun by Jordanian troops — which, trained by Britain, were the Arab world’s best. Jordan occupied the Old City and flattened the Jewish quarter, ethnically cleansing its inhabitants.

From 1948 to 1967, Jerusalem was divided into two parts. On the western side, Israel established its capital amidst a modern city. On the eastern side, Jordan governed the Old City and the surrounding Arab neighborhoods of the West Bank. There was never any discussion of establishing a Palestinian state in the West Bank or a Palestinian capital in Jerusalem. Jews were denied access to the holy sites of the Old City, especially the Western Wall.

In the Six Day War of 1967, Israel — under direct threat of destruction by the surrounding Arab states — won a surprise victory and took control of the Sinai peninsula, the West Bank, and the Golan Heights. Israeli troops also conquered all of Jerusalem, reuniting it and liberating the Old City. But the Arab states still refused to negotiate with Israel, and most countries declined to place their embassies there for fear of antagonizing the Palestinians.

In the 1990s, when formal negotiations began between Israel and the Palestinians, Jerusalem was one of the most difficult issues — more difficult than the questions of borders and Palestinian refugees. Though Congress passed the Jerusalem Embassy Act in 1995, it gave the president the power to sign a waiver every six months delaying the embassy move. The idea was to preserve the status quo in Jerusalem so as not to jeopardize ongoing peace talks.

But as administration officials explained to reporters on Tuesday, after more than two decades, it was clear that recognition of Jerusalem as Israel’s capital was not a real obstacle to peace. It was clear to all that the western part of Jerusalem, at least, would be under Israeli sovereignty in any conceivable peace agreement. The idea that all of the city would be up for negotiation was little more than a concession to the most extreme Palestinian demands.

As such, recognizing Jerusalem as Israel’s capital and moving the U.S. embassy there is just a recognition of reality. But it is also a courageous decision, showing that the U.S. will stand with our allies regardless of terrorist threats.

President Trump’s decision also represents a guarantee of Israeli sovereignty in at least part of Jerusalem. As such, it represents the fulfillment of thousands of years of Jewish prayer, and over a century of Zionist efforts to establish and protect a Jewish state in the ancient homeland of the Jewish people.

It is no exaggeration to say that for Jews, recognition of Jerusalem as Israel’s capital is an event of almost Biblical significance. And we are witnesses to it.

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42 minutes ago, dirtyhairy said:

Once again you act like a spoiled child on a day you should reflect and offer hope. 

Trump knows as much about foreign policy as you do.

Not much.

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All these politicians making all these promises, election after election and never do what they promised. In come Trump a builder a doer, and then he does what he promised at the dismay of the political class. There's a new sheriff in town.

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12 minutes ago, dirtyhairy said:

All these politicians making all these promises, election after election and never do what they promised. In come Trump a builder a doer, and then he does what he promised at the dismay of the political class. There's a new sheriff in town.

Remember the time you framed our weapons sale to Saudi Arabia as Trump demonstrating authority over them? 

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you literally can ask for any information you want and can have it.  You watch fox and friends to inform you...

#jackieChanWhat

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5 hours ago, BernieBernstein said:

^^^Breitbart^^^

 

 

Next time you're in J-town hm, you can enjoy the amenities of the capital city.  

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52 minutes ago, WhenFalconsWin said:

Next time you're in J-town hm, you can enjoy the amenities of the capital city.  

 I have enjoyed the amenities of Israel's capital city during two trips to Israel in the last five years. 

 Israel is doing just fine without the United States recognizing Jerusalem as its capital. 

 Israel is blessed with the  entrepreneurial ADD  which can only exist in a country founded short generations ago by desperate but brave  pioneers.   Their economy is in hyperdrive.   

They don't  want peace, they want quiet. And the wall provides them with that.   Of course, it also, in fact, creates an apartheid system and the human rights  deprivations consistent therein.  

 Currently, the best defense for Israel is it's high tech economy, which the world is actually relying on.   (Guess who came up with your phone's GPS guidance system?)   The world is not going to turn off the Spicket of this rails exports in order to help out the Palestinians, who "never miss an opportunity to miss an opportunity" to help themselves. 

 Israel turned the desert into orchards a generation ago to create exportable goods. Last year, an Israeli start up was sold to Google or   Microsoft for $45 billion. That's a lot of freaking oranges. 

 I'm not an expert on any of this, but it seems like Israel's security is also being helped by the instability surrounding istill simmering from the the Arab spring. 

 The real threat right now are the hard right/ultra orthodox JEWS within Israel  

  The last thing Isreal needs right now is for the Arab world to notice what they're doing to the Palestinians. 

 The current quartered Jerusalem works out just fine.     Only the zealots on both sides want to change anything.    (Unfortunately, the Palestinians keep electing leadership which endorses the violence to change the status quo.)  

 So,  what Trump did today was issue a big reminder to the entire Arab world that Israel is bullying their Palestinian brothers. And the United States is the biggest bully on the block supporting Israel. 

 Sure, the idiot evangelicals like it because, somehow, the more pure Jerusalem is, the closer we get to the rapture.   

 And the ultra orthodox Jewish conservatives like it because, they WANT to bully the Arabs. 

 The rest of us who have a passion for Israel are scared **** less that Trump has upset the apple cart and is going to invite another wave of violence. And when you're dealing with a country the size of Israel, that is always a concern. 

 Again, I'm not a scholar, I've just been there and I talk to people. These are my impressions.

And, when snake sites a Breitbart article that starts out talking about old testament crap to justify modern geographic boundaries, well,  I know there are 5 billion or whatever Arabs /Muslim who have their own book. 

 As an aside, one of the first things we did during our first visit was go to an archaeological site.    There was a room with a little AV set up like you would have in grade school where they showed a short introductory film.   As an old Saturday Night Live fan, you will appreciate that it reminded me of something out of Dan Ackroyd's "bad ______theater."   Except this was "bad  politically motivated archeological propaganda theater."

 During both trips, I asked various guides about the hazards of imposing a political bias on archaeological dig's. 

 I never really got an answer I was comfortable with. 

 Regardless, that's exactly what comes to mind when I read articles like what snake posted. 

 

 

 

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Just now, BernieBernstein said:

 I have enjoyed the amenities of Israel's capital city during two trips to Israel in the last five years. 

 Israel is doing just fine without the United States recognizing Jerusalem as its capital. 

 Israel is blessed with the  entrepreneurial ADD  which can only exist in a country founded short generations ago by desperate but brave  pioneers.   Their economy is in hyperdrive.   

They don't  they don't one piece, they want quiet. And the wall provides them with that.  They don't, they want quiet. And will provide them with that.  Of course, and also in fact creates an apartheid system and the human rights  deprivations consistent therein.  

 Currently, the best defense for Israel is it's high tech economy, which the world is actually relying on.   ;Guess who came up with your phone's GPS guidance system?)

 Israel turned the desert into orchards a generation ago to create exportable goods. Last year, and it's really start up was sold to Google or   Microsoft for $45 billion. That's a lot of freaking oranges. 

 I'm not an expert on any of this, but it seems like Israel's security is also being helped by the instability surrounding it from  still simmering from the the Arab spring. 

 The real threat right now are the hard right/ultra orthodox within Israel

  The last thing Isreal needs right now is for the Arab world to notice what they're doing to the Palestinians. 

 The current quartered Jerusalem works out just fine.     Only the zealots on both sides want to change anything.    (Unfortunately, the Palestinians keep electing leadership which endorses the violence to change the status quo.)  

 So,  what Trump did today was issue a big reminder to the entire Arab world that Israel is bullying their Palestinian brothers. And the United States is the biggest bully on the block supporting Israel. 

 Sure, the idiot evangelicals like it because, somehow, the more pure Jerusalem is, the closer we get to the rapture.   

 And the ultra orthodox Jews conservatives like it because, they WANT to bully the Arabs. 

 The rest of us who have a passion for Israel are scared **** less that Trump has upset the apple cart and is going to invite another wave of violence. And when you're dealing with a country the size of Israel, that is always a concern. 

 Again, I'm not a scholar, I've just been there and I talk to people. These are my impressions.

And, when snake sites a Breitbart article that starts out talking about old testament crap to justify modern geographic boundaries, well,  I know there are 5 billion or whatever Arabs who have their own book. 

 As an aside, one of the first things we did during our first visit was go to an archaeological site.    There is a room with a little AV set up like you would have a great school where they showed a short introductory movie.  As an old Saturday Night Live fan, you will appreciate that reminded me of something out of Dan Ackroyd's "bad ______theater."   Except this was "bad  politically motivated archeological propaganda theater."

 During both trips, I asked various guides about the hazards of imposing a political bias on archaeological dig's. 

 I never really got an answer I was comfortable with. 

 Regardless, that's exactly what comes to mind when I read articles like what snake posted. 

 

 

 

Hey, that sounds interesting.

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13 hours ago, Serge said:

Remember the time you framed our weapons sale to Saudi Arabia as Trump demonstrating authority over them? 

No

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Moses, your opinion is fine, but I'll suggest every democrat in office has voted for this move for the past 30 years. Obama campaigned on it, but as we know, Political speech is often just lies, UNTIL now. As for the arabs that surround Israel, nothing will make them happy until the Jews are all dead, which makes the Iran nuclear deal during Obama's reign that more plausable. This is Leadership and the Courage to do what is Obvious and already the precedent, and remember, there are always Naysayers. See moses, Trump is doing what he said he'd do, and this proves to the mass's that the crap political class that rules us all, are mainly a bunch of leaches and hypocrites. 

I'll go with BB's take on this. 

 

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7 minutes ago, dirtyhairy said:

Image may contain: sky, text and outdoorBut nows not the time, the Arab world will be mad. They've been mad for 3000 years. 

 That's great. So tell me again how this helps the United States? And how specifically does it help Israel? How does it make Israel more secure? 

 What does this do other than to get a few massively hypocritical evangelicals to vote for a pedophile in Alabama next week? 

 

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