Lornoth Posted November 1, 2017 Share Posted November 1, 2017 1 minute ago, osiruz said: Like I said look at the stats before you say something really stupid. No one is Tryin to trade a 3rd rounder for Sanu ever. I already gave you a point, I said look at the stats since you know they use these things to measure performance and separate players. What does KB do better than Sanu? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Osiruz Posted November 1, 2017 Share Posted November 1, 2017 Just now, Lornoth said: What does KB do better than Sanu? Better RZ threat, better seasonal yardage, unstoppabpe frame, undisputed #1 wr etc etc...if stats don't matter then would you take Sanu over Jerry rice? This is a dumb freaking argument. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lornoth Posted November 1, 2017 Share Posted November 1, 2017 3 minutes ago, osiruz said: Better RZ threat, better seasonal yardage, unstoppabpe frame, undisputed #1 wr etc etc...if stats don't matter then would you take Sanu over Jerry rice? This is a dumb freaking argument. How is he a better RZ target? That's not something he does better, that's a title. Does he have better hands? Does he make contested catches better? Does he run better routes to get open? Better feel for the soft spots in zone? Give me anything. Sanu is not as good as Rice, and it has nothing to do with stats, or who was a #1 WR more, or who has a better 'frame'. Rice had a better feel for soft spots in coverage than anyone. He ran better routes than anyone. His hands were amazing. KB? What does he do better? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Osiruz Posted November 1, 2017 Share Posted November 1, 2017 Bro KB has 18 Tds in 3 seasons. Sanu has 17 Tds in 6, I can't even. This is just stupid, very very stupid. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Osiruz Posted November 1, 2017 Share Posted November 1, 2017 KB also has as many career yards as Sanu in 3 less seasons, but yeah let's pretend that sanu is better based on the "eye test." Smh. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lornoth Posted November 1, 2017 Share Posted November 1, 2017 2 minutes ago, osiruz said: Bro KB has 18 Tds in 3 seasons. Sanu has 17 Tds in 6, I can't even. This is just stupid, very very stupid. But why? What does he do better to get those TD's? If you don't know, just say that mate. It's okay to be like, 'He looks better but I don't know why'. Just say so. But just know if you don't understand how someone is better, then you won't be persuading anyone. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HEIST Posted November 1, 2017 Share Posted November 1, 2017 I never thought about it, but yeah I might take what Sanu has done here over what KB has shown in Carolina. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Osiruz Posted November 1, 2017 Share Posted November 1, 2017 24 minutes ago, Lornoth said: But why? What does he do better to get those TD's? If you don't know, just say that mate. It's okay to be like, 'He looks better but I don't know why'. Just say so. But just know if you don't understand how someone is better, then you won't be persuading anyone. Lol this is funny. You are clueless man. KB is bigger, just as fast, a lot stronger, and knows how to use his body in the rz. You clearly haven't seen him play if you think Sanu is in any way, shape, or form on his level. Carolina did us a huge favor by trading him out of the division. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Osiruz Posted November 1, 2017 Share Posted November 1, 2017 As far as blocking that can be arguable, KB is a very capable run blocker. But that's not the primary trait I want in a #1 wr. I want him to be able to catch, get some yac, and be a rz force. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThisIsNotFantasyFootball Posted November 1, 2017 Share Posted November 1, 2017 (edited) 15 hours ago, PeytonMannings Forehead said: You sure said a mouthful there, brother. I wish I coulda been a fly on the wall during the strategy session with Rivera on this one. I mean they're already bereft of outside weapons. Guess they're going full time throw to the tight ends, check it down to the backs, pound it 45 times a game. They might come out there and run straight wing-t Sunday. I was at the Falcons/Panthers game Christmas Eve 2006. Panthers had to play Chris Weinke at QB that day. They ran the ball 52 times (a ton were direct snaps to the RBs) and had only 7 pass attempts for 11 total net yards........They beat us 10-3........ Edited November 1, 2017 by Mr.Blank Typo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ltstorm2 Posted November 1, 2017 Share Posted November 1, 2017 3 hours ago, Mr.Blank said: I was at the Falcons/Panters game Christmas Eve 2006. Panthers had to play Chris Weinke at QB that day. They ran the ball 52 times (a ton were direct snaps to the RBs) and had only 7 pass attempts for 11 total net yards........They beat us 10-3........ Ugh, I was at this game as well. It just blew my mind how we couldn't stop them and they were running the same FKN play over and over and over. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mescalito Posted November 1, 2017 Share Posted November 1, 2017 4 hours ago, osiruz said: Bro KB has 18 Tds in 3 seasons. Sanu has 17 Tds in 6, I can't even. This is just stupid, very very stupid. In all fairness KB has basically been the #1 wr his whole career and Sanu was behind AJ Green, then Julio. I’d like to see the amount of targets for those years for both players. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Osiruz Posted November 1, 2017 Share Posted November 1, 2017 55 minutes ago, Mescalito said: In all fairness KB has basically been the #1 wr his whole career and Sanu was behind AJ Green, then Julio. I’d like to see the amount of targets for those years for both players. Yes sanu was #2 and sometimes #3 for a reason. He's no where near their level or #1 receiver level. He's also benefitting from being single covered, which means he should be open more frequently than Benjamin. Even his finest season, he turned 98 targets to 790 yards and like 5 tds. KB turned 118 targets for like 941 yards, 7tds which was his worst. This is not even close at all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Osiruz Posted November 1, 2017 Share Posted November 1, 2017 KB's worst season: 118 targets, 941 yards, 14.9 yards per catch, 7tds. Sanu's best season: 98 targets, 790 yards, 14.1 yards per catch, 5 tds. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
quotemokc Posted November 1, 2017 Share Posted November 1, 2017 KB is better than Sanu, that being said, KB is not a good enough route runner for our scheme and Sanu fits it way better. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flying Falcon Posted November 1, 2017 Share Posted November 1, 2017 14 hours ago, PeytonMannings Forehead said: You sure said a mouthful there, brother. I wish I coulda been a fly on the wall during the strategy session with Rivera on this one. I mean they're already bereft of outside weapons. Guess they're going full time throw to the tight ends, check it down to the backs, pound it 45 times a game. They might come out there and run straight wing-t Sunday. Either Wing T, Oklahoma Box, or Wishbone. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RichardCNile Posted November 1, 2017 Share Posted November 1, 2017 16 hours ago, PeytonMannings Forehead said: You sure said a mouthful there, brother. I wish I coulda been a fly on the wall during the strategy session with Rivera on this one. I mean they're already bereft of outside weapons. Guess they're going full time throw to the tight ends, check it down to the backs, pound it 45 times a game. They might come out there and run straight wing-t Sunday. I remember when Mora was here and we'd had a bad year, but could have finished against the panthers with our first back to back winning season at 9-7. Carolina didn't have a QB, Fox was the HC I think and they were playing us in the GA Dome. This was before the wildcat was the wildcat and they just came out and ran almost every play of the game, if not every play and beat us. I was soooooo pissed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MasterBateser Posted November 1, 2017 Share Posted November 1, 2017 9 hours ago, osiruz said: This is the problem with a lot of folks on this board. They lack reason. Too many dumb Homers trying to kill board iq with their "we have the bestest playerz ever" rationale. One quick gander at the stats and it's painfully obvious to see KB is a star wr, and Sanu is a career role player. Says the guy who’s only argument is “u been drinking??” I like Kevin but Sanu is better. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clark Posted November 1, 2017 Share Posted November 1, 2017 16 hours ago, SamMills51 said: I mean this whole forum was talking about a perfect season and how Sarkisian would be better than Shanahan. That's pretty comical. Way to deflect Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peyton Posted November 1, 2017 Share Posted November 1, 2017 I think the idea that is being circulated in this thread that Kelvin Benjamin isn't a good football player is pretty hilarious. But I'm not going to pretend that I know how this is going to impact the Carolina Panthers in the long run. What I do know is that Cam Newton, a guy with a long history of pouting when things don't go his way, is pretty freaking upset right now. Kelvin Benjamin was his guy. "When you want people in a foxhole, Kelvin Benjamin is the person you want". He didn't say that about KB in 2014. He didn't say that about KB last year. He didn't say that about KB in the preseason. He made that statement about KB on Sunday. Here's to hoping that pouty Cam takes a while to process this one and lays one of his signature big fat eggs on Sunday. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hashbrown3 Posted November 1, 2017 Share Posted November 1, 2017 So weird, reading all this, suddenly you think Kelvin Benjamin was an all pro WR. If he wasn't so big, he wouldn't even be in the NFL. Mo is better if put in that role in Carolina imo. Meh, whatever. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dmo_dlo Posted November 1, 2017 Share Posted November 1, 2017 18 hours ago, SamMills51 said: Well I mean it's been established we were rebuilding ever since we talked of offensive evolution over the offseason. But more on my thoughts on the Kelvin Benjamin dump. In my opinion, this is a really good move. Dumping Kelvin Benjamin will make our offense even better this year. Yes, I'm being serious. Weren't you the guy that back during the training camp when people were saying benjamin was overweight was swearing that he was absolutely dominating and was going to be a revelation this year? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JDaveG Posted November 1, 2017 Share Posted November 1, 2017 12 hours ago, osiruz said: This is the problem with a lot of folks on this board. They lack reason. Too many dumb Homers trying to kill board iq with their "we have the bestest playerz ever" rationale. One quick gander at the stats and it's painfully obvious to see KB is a star wr, and Sanu is a career role player. It's a pretty **** important role in our offense, though. Matt Ryan is a role player too. So is Julio Jones. "Role player" =/= "bad player" or even "mediocre player." Sanu is basically responsible for a whole bunch of our 3rd down conversions last week. That's an incredibly important role to have someone play on your team. And I would not trade that for Kelvin Benjamin 10 times out of 10. Sanu is better. In general, but especially for our needs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Osiruz Posted November 1, 2017 Share Posted November 1, 2017 22 minutes ago, JDaveG said: It's a pretty **** important role in our offense, though. Matt Ryan is a role player too. So is Julio Jones. "Role player" =/= "bad player" or even "mediocre player." Sanu is basically responsible for a whole bunch of our 3rd down conversions last week. That's an incredibly important role to have someone play on your team. And I would not trade that for Kelvin Benjamin 10 times out of 10. Sanu is better. In general, but especially for our needs. That's cool and all, but I'll take KB's tds bro. We need someone who can score. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Osiruz Posted November 1, 2017 Share Posted November 1, 2017 2 hours ago, Yo_Lover said: Says the guy who’s only argument is “u been drinking??” I like Kevin but Sanu is better. That's just a really dumb post. You ignored the fact that i pointed to KB having the same stats in half as many seasons, but yes let's spin my argument to whatever you think it means. I'll make you a bet since you are so convinced. If KB has more yards and tds by the end of the season you'll get an avatar that says "I am football stupid." Same for me if say Sanu has more, deal? I'll quote your post once you agree, since this is one of the dumbest things I've heard on this board. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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