Once Again He Erred On The Side Of MORON!

[achin2be]

2nd 4th attempt was idiotic.

[slider]

3 minutes ago, Mid-Nite-Toker said:

TATF criticized a good coach for being too conservative...regimented.

TATF is criticising a good coach, for being too aggressive...reckless. 

There's a big difference between conservative play calling and conservative decision making. I'm all for the all out play calling we saw last year, but the HC needs to make good decisions in game management or that agressive play calling is in desperation.

[slamee101]

Harsh words.

What's becoming apparent to me is that last year and the run we made after 7-5 (and the playoff run) was more an anomaly with Quinn.  He'll be here next year.  Maybe even the year after that.  I think we've seen the best of him though and the "Ra Ra" tactics appear to have already worn off. 

 

He's outmatched by "good coaches" and I don't know that he has the answer as to how to get a team to bounce back from a loss like SB 51.

[Peyton]

Quinn is still very early in his coaching career and he has been instrumental in building an extremely talented team.  I think maybe a little early to jump to any extreme conclusions.  Most coaches are going to have their rough spots early in their careers and all of them have rough spots at some point.

[Mid-Nite-Toker]

3 minutes ago, slider said:

There's a big difference between conservative play calling and conservative decision making. I'm all for the all out play calling we saw last year, but the HC needs to make good decisions in game management or that agressive play calling is in desperation.

Just saying. We have total different approach from what brought us some success...consistency

DQ got us to a SB... why doubt it.

The first half was just unfortunate...some big plays went against us.

 

 

[slider]

6 minutes ago, Peyton said:

With the way the Falcons are playing on defense, the offense usually only gets 8 possessions.  I think they should go for it anytime they are across the 50.  The ball is precious, hang on to it if you can.

Going for it gets you nothing but another play. You don't get points, you still have to execute to get points. You don't guarantee anything. If you miss it, you guarantee that your tired defense will have a short field to stop a team that knows how to turn your mistakes against you. I think the risk vs. reward at that point of the game is no where near even. 

[BLM]

it's obvious dan quinn had ptsd from the superbowl.  was making decisions on tilt can't even think straight

[Peyton]

4 minutes ago, slider said:

Going for it gets you nothing but another play. You don't get points, you still have to execute to get points. You don't guarantee anything. If you miss it, you guarantee that your tired defense will have a short field to stop a team that knows how to turn your mistakes against you. I think the risk vs. reward at that point of the game is no where near even. 

The defense couldn't have been tired, the Patriots had been 3 and out on the previous possession and had run only 11 plays.

[slamee101]

5 minutes ago, Peyton said:

Quinn is still very early in his coaching career and he has been instrumental in building an extremely talented team.  I think maybe a little early to jump to any extreme conclusions.  Most coaches are going to have their rough spots early in their careers and all of them have rough spots at some point.

Certainly fair.  He'll get two more seasons and he's earned that.  

I just get that feeling in my gut that he's more Mora than we thought after the SB run.  I've already accepted the playoffs/SB run are out this year.  I'm just not certain he can turn it around beyond that.

[slider]

I give DQ all the credit in the world for what he's accomplished but he has a fatal flaw as a head coach. Can he change, sure, but he says he won't and you can only take him at his word. The team is in a much better place than they have been in a long time talent wise, maybe ever and DQ is a big part of that but sometimes you have to be the adult in the room. What's the difference in DQ and Jim Mora at this point as far as approach to the players is concerned? Jim Mora's act got stale with them also because you have to hold up your end if you want the players to hold up theirs and your end is decision making and game management. Don't put the team in a bad place during games. Don't hurt their chances to win because you think the aggression will spur the team to 'win one for the gipper'. This ain't college.

[Peyton]

2 minutes ago, slider said:

I give DQ all the credit in the world for what he's accomplished but he has a fatal flaw as a head coach. Can he change, sure, but he says he won't and you can only take him at his word. The team is in a much better place than they have been in a long time talent wise, maybe ever and DQ is a big part of that but sometimes you have to be the adult in the room. What's the difference in DQ and Jim Mora at this point as far as approach to the players is concerned? Jim Mora's act got stale with them also because you have to hold up your end if you want the players to hold up theirs and your end is decision making and game management. Don't put the team in a bad place during games. Don't hurt their chances to win because you think the aggression will spur the team to 'win one for the gipper'. This ain't college.

I'd think the defensive guys would love him for going for it.

Giving up a 55 yard TD drive has to be a little less tiring than giving up an 80 yard TD drive.

[NateDogg1215]

He took this team farther than any Atlanta coach has .

i was fine with him going for it on 4th downs , half the time we convert . I do have a problem with that idiot Sark.

3rd and 2 pass ?

3rd and 4 Run?

jet sweep on the goaline ?   You want to travel the farthest distance to get 10 inches .   How do you know run free right up the middle or attempt a QB over the top reaching out is beyond compression.

 

this clown has got to go .  Never seen this horrible play calling .

 

as much as I love Ryan .  He is overthrowing the ball a lot and in crucial moments ...

[slider]

{I'd think the defensive guys would love him for going for it.

Giving up a 55 yard TD drive has to be a little less tiring than giving up an 80 yard TD drive}

 

Wut? Then why not start all our offensive series deep in our own territory, that way when the drives inevitably stall and we have to punt, the defense will have a short field and won't get tired! 

Edited October 23, 2017 by slider

[BLM]

6 minutes ago, NateDogg1215 said:

He took this team farther than any Atlanta coach has .

i was fine with him going for it on 4th downs , half the time we convert . I do have a problem with that idiot Sark.

3rd and 2 pass ?

3rd and 4 Run?

jet sweep on the goaline ?   You want to travel the farthest distance to get 10 inches .   How do you know run free right up the middle or attempt a QB over the top reaching out is beyond compression.

 

this clown has got to go .  Never seen this horrible play calling .

 

as much as I love Ryan .  He is overthrowing the ball a lot and in crucial moments ...

maybe time to bring mularkey back that'll decrease the amount of over throws 

[slider]

28 minutes ago, Peyton said:

Quinn is still very early in his coaching career and he has been instrumental in building an extremely talented team.  I think maybe a little early to jump to any extreme conclusions.  Most coaches are going to have their rough spots early in their careers and all of them have rough spots at some point.

This is the third year that we've had this same problem with him and he continues to spout the mantra that he's doing it because he believes in his players and he will always err on the side of aggression, blah, blah blah. How long do you have to go before you realize that he means to F&*( up. If I had made the same mistakes at my job over and over and I said that I would continue to do it how long would I last? If he would just for once say, "yea, maybe that was a bad call there. If I had to do it over again I might do something different." He won't say that and I suspect he never will. He has no intention of learning from his mistakes. 

[slider]

 

11 minutes ago, BLM said:

maybe time to bring mularkey back that'll decrease the amount of over throws 

Mularkey runs an overly conservative offense, I am all for the type of offense and defense the Falcons run, that is not in any way the same as game management decisions.  Those two shouldn't be confused. 

[slider]

1 hour ago, Peyton said:

With the way the Falcons are playing on defense, the offense usually only gets 8 possessions.  I think they should go for it anytime they are across the 50.  The ball is precious, hang on to it if you can.

If you're not being stopped by the defense and you're gashing them with your running game and you happen onto 4th down in that situation then maybe the HC could say, "they haven't stopped us yet, lets go for it". That wasn't the case. The defense was forcing third and longs on most series and the run game was iffy at best. Ryan was clearly off and the receivers were getting no separation. That's not a time where the HC should be considering to go for it on 4th and long.

[slider]

1 hour ago, Peyton said:

The defense couldn't have been tired, the Patriots had been 3 and out on the previous possession and had run only 11 plays.

Yes I know, I agree, I was attempting to show that his argument of the tired defense was actually a reason not to go for it.

[Domed Outter]

1 hour ago, NateDogg1215 said:

He took this team farther than any Atlanta coach has .

i was fine with him going for it on 4th downs , half the time we convert . I do have a problem with that idiot Sark.

3rd and 2 pass ?

3rd and 4 Run?

jet sweep on the goaline ?   You want to travel the farthest distance to get 10 inches .   How do you know run free right up the middle or attempt a QB over the top reaching out is beyond compression.

as much as I love Ryan .  He is overthrowing the ball a lot and in crucial moments ...

Not coaching smart. 

On the deep throws, but on key throws in the end zone he seems to be underthrowing. Two plays where one, he underthrows Julio on the run in coverage, and two, too low on the Julio TD and not in the corner.  Got to put these throws where only our players can make the play.

[slider]

1 hour ago, Peyton said:

Quinn is still very early in his coaching career and he has been instrumental in building an extremely talented team.  I think maybe a little early to jump to any extreme conclusions.  Most coaches are going to have their rough spots early in their careers and all of them have rough spots at some point.

So this is still "Early Dan" we have to wait for "Middle Dan' to actually hold him accountable? The Cincinnati Bengals have stuck with Marvin Lewis for way too long in my opinion. The argument I always hear is that he's gotten them to a place that's way better than where they were. OK, I give 'em that but they have great talent now and that talent is apparently not being managed properly to get the full potential out of them and the window is closing. There is a danger of getting into that same mentality with DQ. I know he hasn't been here that long but, if I was Dimitroff or Blank, I'd resist the "we're better off than we were" mentality if you want to reach full potential before the next cap purge.