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All those phantom calls and none calls. I saw atleast 2 clipping calls on Shelby on the MIA last drive. Ajayi gashed us on both runs. Im really starting to believe sports gambling is killing the NFL. Too many home teams lost or played like crap today. If the refs make calls to keep 1 of offense on the field and another off of it, 1 team will cool off and lose momentum. Not really feeling the NFL today, because the Jets got jobbed too.

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Lets go back to the Superbowl and talk about covering the spread.  I think sports betting is the number one thing that will kill profesional sports.  We have gamefixing going on in all sports but I really think the NFL needs to own their own sport, employ full time refs, and assure that the games get called correctly.  I think the money has endangered the game and I also have suspected many times that the NFL is a money hungry farce and in deep cahoots with Vegas.  Especially after the Superbowl, how much money did the league make off Tom Brady Jersey sales?  Atlanta was destroying New England going into half time!  Enter the NFL......Do you know how much money Brady Jersey sales generate?  I have always thought the fix was in but the NFL is a league product and the league has always taken precedence.  Thats why small market teams rarely make a splash. 

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3 minutes ago, lostnmexico said:

Lets go back to the Superbowl and talk about covering the spread.  I think sports betting is the number one thing that will kill profesional sports.  We have gamefixing going on in all sports but I really think the NFL needs to own their own sport, employ full time refs, and assure that the games get called correctly.  I think the money has endangered the game and I also have suspected many times that the NFL is a money hungry farce and in deep cahoots with Vegas.  Especially after the Superbowl, how much money did the league make off Tom Brady Jersey sales?  Atlanta was destroying New England going into half time!  Enter the NFL......Do you know how much money Brady Jersey sales generate?  I have always thought the fix was in but the NFL is a league product and the league has always taken precedence.  Thats why small market teams rarely make a splash. 

I thought the refs were full time

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3 minutes ago, 2_legit_2_legit_2_quit said:

I thought the refs were full time

No.  Not all of them.  Here is an article from before the season:  https://www.sbnation.com/nfl/2017/8/9/15041112/nfl-will-employ-full-time-referees-for-2017-and-beyond

The NFL never employed full time refs and as of 2017 only have 24 Full time referees.  That means the officiating crews are all part time employees and for that reason I think the officiating suffers.

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16 minutes ago, lostnmexico said:

Lets go back to the Superbowl and talk about covering the spread.  I think sports betting is the number one thing that will kill profesional sports.  We have gamefixing going on in all sports but I really think the NFL needs to own their own sport, employ full time refs, and assure that the games get called correctly.  I think the money has endangered the game and I also have suspected many times that the NFL is a money hungry farce and in deep cahoots with Vegas.  Especially after the Superbowl, how much money did the league make off Tom Brady Jersey sales?  Atlanta was destroying New England going into half time!  Enter the NFL......Do you know how much money Brady Jersey sales generate?  I have always thought the fix was in but the NFL is a league product and the league has always taken precedence.  Thats why small market teams rarely make a splash. 

They showed a picture of AB in the stands today. We were up 17-0. His expression looked like he didn't care for the game at all. And we were up 17-0! WTH!

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*shrug* The PI on Alford was a bad call, 2 weeks ago "The Fumble" was such an egregious call that I put it up there with the Cheathawks of last year....bottom line though is that the Falcons are simply not playing good football. We have to be able to overcome crap like that because history shows us that it has happened before, it is happening now, and will continue to happen long after we are dead and buried. Bad officiating will always exist, and quite frankly, since moving all of the final decisions to the NY office it has seemed to get worse. We were up 17-0 at the half, and while a few bad calls did perhaps sway the game, there wasn't enough of them to generate 20 unanswered points. The Falcons did that, and sadly, that seems to be their thing now.....

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24 minutes ago, Wardog357 said:

They showed a picture of AB in the stands today. We were up 17-0. His expression looked like he didn't care for the game at all. And we were up 17-0! WTH!

That Super Bowl probably broke AB. He's always been passionate, he's probably not letting himself get too emotionally invested anymore. At least for now. Probably just being a businessman for now

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This sort of conspiracy would be impossible to pull off. You would need complete compliance from all of the league offices, the officials, owners, and players. Also add in the casinos, gaming commissions and state level auditors. You’re expecting all of this to go on with no one saying anything? Never happen. Human nature tells us that at least one person would write a book or record a conversation or come clean.

Some teams win. Some teams lose. More often than not over the past 53 years, it’s been the Falcons doing the losing. 

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8 minutes ago, Jesus said:

This sort of conspiracy would be impossible to pull off. You would need complete compliance from all of the league offices, the officials, owners, and players. Also add in the casinos, gaming commissions and state level auditors. You’re expecting all of this to go on with no one saying anything? Never happen. Human nature tells us that at least one person would write a book or record a conversation or come clean.

Some teams win. Some teams lose. More often than not over the past 53 years, it’s been the Falcons doing the losing. 

You haven't been paying attention:

The NFL has insisted for years that it has not, is not and never will be in favor of making sports wagering legal, it has actually been doing all it can to keep the gambling interest up. It has lived on that interest.

This past week, ESPN.com reported that a search of public documents revealed examples of NFL lawyers making the claim in legal proceedings over the past 12 years that gambling on sports is a game of skill, not chance. That sounds like no small thing, a technical difference, but it's also a crucial one.

If sports gambling is legally determined to remain a game of chance, then it will remain illegal. But if it is found to be a game of skill, as NFL lawyers have claimed, then it has a path to being legalized. So why is the NFL, which ostensibly hates gambling and all its sordidness, making this claim?

"The NFL used to argue that gambling would screw up the integrity of the game,'' said Arnie Wexler, a compulsive gambling counselor who is a former compulsive gambler himself. "This whole country is turning into a gambling state and the NFL can just smell the money. It's all about the money.

"They just want a piece of the action. Where's the integrity? The hypocrisy has been going on for years; now they just have the balls to be more upfront about it.''

The NFL, after all, has been profiting on interest in gambling. The league knows how many people bet on its games, and how all that wagering draws viewers.

"They've been doing it for years," said Benjamin Eckstein, a longtime Vegas oddsmaker. "The people who yell the loudest about anything—politics, religion—always get my antenna up. The NFL yells the loudest about gambling. Hypocrisy is a very kind word for what they've done.

"But they've done a very good job. They're a multi-billion dollar product and they've done a good job of hoodwinking the public into thinking they're so anti-gambling. They've spent millions of dollars reinforcing it.''

https://sports.vice.com/en_us/article/aemmx8/the-nfl-has-a-gambling-problem

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1 minute ago, lostnmexico said:

You haven't been paying attention:

The NFL has insisted for years that it has not, is not and never will be in favor of making sports wagering legal, it has actually been doing all it can to keep the gambling interest up. It has lived on that interest.

This past week, ESPN.com reported that a search of public documents revealed examples of NFL lawyers making the claim in legal proceedings over the past 12 years that gambling on sports is a game of skill, not chance. That sounds like no small thing, a technical difference, but it's also a crucial one.

If sports gambling is legally determined to remain a game of chance, then it will remain illegal. But if it is found to be a game of skill, as NFL lawyers have claimed, then it has a path to being legalized. So why is the NFL, which ostensibly hates gambling and all its sordidness, making this claim?

"The NFL used to argue that gambling would screw up the integrity of the game,'' said Arnie Wexler, a compulsive gambling counselor who is a former compulsive gambler himself. "This whole country is turning into a gambling state and the NFL can just smell the money. It's all about the money.

"They just want a piece of the action. Where's the integrity? The hypocrisy has been going on for years; now they just have the balls to be more upfront about it.''

The NFL, after all, has been profiting on interest in gambling. The league knows how many people bet on its games, and how all that wagering draws viewers.

"They've been doing it for years," said Benjamin Eckstein, a longtime Vegas oddsmaker. "The people who yell the loudest about anything—politics, religion—always get my antenna up. The NFL yells the loudest about gambling. Hypocrisy is a very kind word for what they've done.

"But they've done a very good job. They're a multi-billion dollar product and they've done a good job of hoodwinking the public into thinking they're so anti-gambling. They've spent millions of dollars reinforcing it.''

https://sports.vice.com/en_us/article/aemmx8/the-nfl-has-a-gambling-problem

Yeah, this doesn’t prove or mean anything. The NFL makes most of its money from licensing its product. That includes TV rights, fantasy football, t-shirt sales, etc. That also includes how the gambling community might use the product to make money. If there is money to be made through the licensing Goodell is going after it. Gambling on football is as old as professional football. If the gambling community is going to make money without the licensing, the NFL will want a piece of that. 

What’s being said is there is a complicit plan to change the outcome of the games using a conspiracy between players, coaches, referees, owners, and so on. This doesn’t prove that.

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I think its our market. They NFL doesn't believe a city in the heart of SEC country is a good sports town?? But they praise and give markets like GB and KC. Ive been to both markets and we are just as passionate about our Falcons as they are. I see flocks of beatiful woman without a man with them in site at our games. Im talking 6-8 deep. You wont find that in other markets...atleast pretty 1s

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11 hours ago, lostnmexico said:

You haven't been paying attention:

The NFL has insisted for years that it has not, is not and never will be in favor of making sports wagering legal, it has actually been doing all it can to keep the gambling interest up. It has lived on that interest.

This past week, ESPN.com reported that a search of public documents revealed examples of NFL lawyers making the claim in legal proceedings over the past 12 years that gambling on sports is a game of skill, not chance. That sounds like no small thing, a technical difference, but it's also a crucial one.

If sports gambling is legally determined to remain a game of chance, then it will remain illegal. But if it is found to be a game of skill, as NFL lawyers have claimed, then it has a path to being legalized. So why is the NFL, which ostensibly hates gambling and all its sordidness, making this claim?

"The NFL used to argue that gambling would screw up the integrity of the game,'' said Arnie Wexler, a compulsive gambling counselor who is a former compulsive gambler himself. "This whole country is turning into a gambling state and the NFL can just smell the money. It's all about the money.

"They just want a piece of the action. Where's the integrity? The hypocrisy has been going on for years; now they just have the balls to be more upfront about it.''

The NFL, after all, has been profiting on interest in gambling. The league knows how many people bet on its games, and how all that wagering draws viewers.

"They've been doing it for years," said Benjamin Eckstein, a longtime Vegas oddsmaker. "The people who yell the loudest about anything—politics, religion—always get my antenna up. The NFL yells the loudest about gambling. Hypocrisy is a very kind word for what they've done.

"But they've done a very good job. They're a multi-billion dollar product and they've done a good job of hoodwinking the public into thinking they're so anti-gambling. They've spent millions of dollars reinforcing it.''

https://sports.vice.com/en_us/article/aemmx8/the-nfl-has-a-gambling-problem

More money is bet on the Super Bowl than the whole season combined! That is why the SBs are rigged. Last year I heard that most of the money around the world was on the Falcons, which if the Falcons would have won would have left the Bookies underwater big time. Reverse that out come and the Bookies clean-up. Nuff said!

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29 minutes ago, DoYouSeeWhatHappensLarry said:

There's an awful lot of dubious stuff flying around in this thread. 

I go out to Vegas on a regular basis, and heard several Vegas Bookies say there was a large position building for the Falcons. Then shortly thereafter you heard the official press come out and say just the opposite, that the money was on the Patriots. I trust the Bookies that I heard, not main-stream media. 

It is you job to protect NFL interests right? To disparage the 'tin-foil-hat' people?

Go ahead and ban me, about done with this so-called 'sport' anyway.

Anyone want to buy some front row PSLs?

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1 minute ago, Cheap Talk said:

I go out to Vegas on a regular basis, and heard several Vegas Bookies say there was a large position building for the Falcons. Then shortly thereafter you heard the official press come out and say just the opposite, that the money was on the Patriots. I trust the Bookies that I heard, not main-stream media. 

It is you job to protect NFL interests right? To disparage the 'tin-foil-hat' people?

Go ahead and ban me, about done with this so-called 'sport' anyway.

Anyone want to buy some front row PSLs?

lol. 

You done yet, lil guy? 

 

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