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I know it’s being discussed in the other thread, but I think this is important enough to deserve its own thread.

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/10/12/us/politics/trump-obamacare-executive-order-health-insurance.html?hp&action=click&pgtype=Homepage&clickSource=story-heading&module=first-column-region&region=top-news&WT.nav=top-news&_r=0

Trump to Scrap Critical Health Care Subsidies, Hitting Obamacare Again

By ROBERT PEAR, MAGGIE HABERMAN and REED ABELSONOCT. 12, 2017

 

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http://theweek.com/speedreads/730661/cbo-predicts-trumps-move-end-obamacare-subsidies-hike-premiums-uninsured-rate-deficits

The CBO estimates the premiums and the uninsured rate will increase. 

Basically, Trump’s executive orders undermine the Obamacare law in ways that harm people, will cost them higher premiums and will result in fewer being insured.  He is demanding that Democrats work with him to fix the damage he is creating.  

And Republicans do not have an alternative to Obamacare that would result in more insured and lower premiums.  They never had an Obamacare replacement.  

So here we are - Trump has taken actions that will be harmful for millions of Americans regarding their health insurance.  He owns it.  Republicans own it.  They created this mess and the burden is on them to fix the mess that they created.  

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8 minutes ago, Gritzblitz 2.0 said:

But did he own those libs? 

 

1 minute ago, mdrake34 said:

Grabbed 'em right by the *****.  Didn't even take them furniture shopping either. 

He really showed them! 

Taking away healthcare from the folks that need it the most, while the Libs have to deal with having their own healthcare and will probably end up getting higher premiums right along side the other Republicans. 

Yeah, he showed them! :bang:

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17 minutes ago, HMFIC said:

This whole thread is absolutely laughable. First of all the dang thing is a tome, which is usual for a Trotsky post, but then he adds his own jabberwosky to it, as if we couldn't read the link.  The hilarity is that Trotsky and his idols, Chuckie and Nancy  STILL insist on calling this disaster of Obamacare, "The Affordable Care Act".  That's the biggest oxymoron I have EVER seen.  Premiums and deductibles have gone up so high that most of the "Insured" can't afford to even use the "Insurance" they "have".  And yet, you blind, lefty enablers still whine that Trump will increase premiums..  Obamacare is, and always has been, a cruel joke on the American people, and all of you who stubbornly defend it, in spite of it disastrous and obvious failure, should be ashamed of yourselves.  Trump is a good man, seriously trying to correct a horrendous insult inflicted upon the American people, by the incompetent Socialistic, Obama administration.

Correction: The lackluster nature of Obamacare and Trump's meddling in its market will make actually socialist healthcare policies possible.

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Alright, I haven't seen the full CBO report, I've just read the summerization that eliminating the $100B subsidy (over the next decade) will actually increase the federal deficit by $100 billion.  I guess the argument goes that if you don't subsidize the insurers, then premiums will rise and since premiums are also linked to tax credits, those tax credits will be even more than the subsidy to the insurers.  Not buying it on the surface but I need to read up on it.

Also, I did read this...so it doesn't sound like people are going to lose the ability to buy insurance:

"By 2020, though, insurers would have observed the operation of markets in many areas under the policy and CBO and JCT expect that more insurers would participate, so people in almost all areas would be able to buy nongroup insurance (as is projected to be the case throughout the next decade under CBO’s baseline projection)."

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4 minutes ago, Psychic Gibbon said:

 

Yep.  You can’t say, “Obamacare is collapsing and we need to do something” and then turn around and ensure that it collapses and then whine about nobody doing anything.  

The GOP promises on healthcare have always been fantasyland rhetoric.  People get to see the consequences of Trump’s policies now.  And as I’ve been saying, it’s going to go over like s*** on a cold biscuit.

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6 hours ago, Leon Troutsky said:

http://theweek.com/speedreads/730661/cbo-predicts-trumps-move-end-obamacare-subsidies-hike-premiums-uninsured-rate-deficits

The CBO estimates the premiums and the uninsured rate will increase. 

Basically, Trump’s executive orders undermine the Obamacare law in ways that harm people, will cost them higher premiums and will result in fewer being insured.  He is demanding that Democrats work with him to fix the damage he is creating.  

And Republicans do not have an alternative to Obamacare that would result in more insured and lower premiums.  They never had an Obamacare replacement.  

So here we are - Trump has taken actions that will be harmful for millions of Americans regarding their health insurance.  He owns it.  Republicans own it.  They created this mess and the burden is on them to fix the mess that they created.  

GTFO with the CBO.  They also said the original cost of the ACA would be $830 billion, I think it was.  Good, let the guy who is going to fix it, own it, I have no problem with that.  

Anyways you knuckleheads, I'm heading down to the lake house, see most of you at game time on Mono's official thread.

Have a good weekend folks.  

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2 minutes ago, HMFIC said:

Obamacare will collapse of it's own volition, no matter if Trump does nothing, it was DESIGNED to collapse, in order to pave the way for a single payer system. Obama and others have admitted that.  Trump is trying his best to help the American people to afford healthcare, and the Leftists are stubbornly trying to prevent it. They don't CARE if Obamacare crashes and burns , as long as Trump and the Republicans get the blame. That's unbelievable , because the Left designed it and forced it down the throats of the American people., knowing the eventual outcome. 

And by "trying his best to help the American people to afford healthcare", you really mean throw millions off their insurance and cause premiums to increase by 20% next year.  

I don't think you know what the word "help" means.

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2 hours ago, HMFIC said:

The criminal Obama asked Congress for the  money to subsidize premiums for the poor. Congress refused, so Obama used an executive order to circumvent Congress, and ordered the Treasury to supply the money anyway.  This was deemed unconstitutional by a Federal Court.  Presidents cannot appropriate money on their own, only Congress can do that. Furthermore, the illegal subsidies were supposed to reduce and control the premiums. Again, the criminal actions by Obama failed as premiums soared , along with deductibles.  Yet you, and those like you, STILL defend these reprehensible acts by Obama and his leftist administration. It makes me wonder, if you, and the Democratic Party , actually even care about the welfare of the general public, or only about defeating any Republican action, no matter what the cost to the nation. I don't think you know what the word "Honesty" means.

Are you seriously complaining about Obama using an executive order in a thread discussing Trump's executive order? 

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10 minutes ago, HMFIC said:

Trump's XOs are either for the benefit of the American people, improving the economy, reducing red tape regulations, or undoing the malignant damage inflicted on the American people by the incompetent, Socialist, Constitution hating, America hating Obama. But wait .......all that is OK......after all Obama is BLACK, we must not criticize him .

hahahahahahahahaha

Okay, crazy pants

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12 minutes ago, Snowball said:

Btw, I think you capitalized the word black because you see it as some sort of insult.  Racist.

Come on, @Snowball. @HMFIC isn't racist! He just LOVES the same things a white president is doing that he thinks were CRIMINAL SOCIALIST TREASON when a black president did them. Why is that so hard to understand?!

You're just upset because Crooked Hillary is going to be indicted along with Obummer and his criminal justice department! TICK TOCK 

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2 minutes ago, Snowball said:

$100 says HMFIC says "I'm not racist, I hate everyone equally" at least once a week.

I'll do you one better. $500 says he has argued "I'm not racist. There's a difference between n-words and black people. Just like there are white trash and white people" a minimum of 10 times in his life. 

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