Dolphins game must win - and upcoming schedule

[falconidae]

6 minutes ago, Jerz said:

Those INTs are out of the question most of us understand what happened. But it's the routine throws Ryan is inconsistent with..even in a lot of clean pockets. Our OL hasn't even been playing badly at all or it has been nothing that Ryan can't overcome easily. This abyssmal line play is overblown. Other QB's are still slingin it behind worse OL.

Ryan hasn't been as sharp as he would have liked first quarter of the season,  but gotta disagree--the Oline play, particularly on 3rd down and in the red zone, just hasn't been very good.

[Lornoth]

51 minutes ago, Jerz said:

Seattle has receivers and Wilson is one of the best Qb's in the league. Seattle is still a good team. 

Wilson is good, but as we know well from watching our team the last few years under Smitty, a good QB isn't all an offense needs. Seattle's receivers are mediocre at best. When your second best positional group on one side of the ball is mediocre, that's not a good sign. 

[PeytonMannings Forehead]

1 hour ago, Jerz said:

Right players? Seattle has holes just like every other team in the league. But I know for one thing they sure aren't lacking in the defensive department. They just need an OL and a good RB. 

Those are two pretty big needs -- especially the o-line.  And we're not talking about one or two guys.  That whole line is a mess, and that doesn't just get better as the season goes on.

I still think they're a good team too, but I've watched every game they have played this season.  That line is going to wind up being their achillies heel when they get into it with better competition.  And they have good rb's.  They just keep going down.  

[Dirtybird56]

I fully expect Ryan to come back from the bye sharp. Having Schraeder again only helps 

 

takk is quickly becoming my favorite defender

[Jerz]

9 hours ago, PeytonMannings Forehead said:

Those are two pretty big needs -- especially the o-line.  And we're not talking about one or two guys.  That whole line is a mess, and that doesn't just get better as the season goes on.

I still think they're a good team too, but I've watched every game they have played this season.  That line is going to wind up being their achillies heel when they get into it with better competition.  And they have good rb's.  They just keep going down.  

No doubt that the Seahawks OL is a huge achilles heel. But that is something everyone in Seattle is highly aware of. Yeah they may not improve substantially but as the season goes on they will get more experience and their gameplan will be tailored to limit the mistakes a bad OL can entail. Lucky enough they have a QB like Wilson back there as opposed to someone like Ryan who is not as mobile.

Seattle looked to have had something good going with Chris Carson at RB but like you said they keep going down. Lacy and Rawls are plenty capable of having big games albeit they are very inconsistent and injury prone. But what I'm really trying to say is Seattle can afford to have a major hole at OL with Wilson and that defense more than any other team in the league.

Edited October 11, 2017 by Jerz

[PeytonMannings Forehead]

1 minute ago, Jerz said:

No doubt that the Seahawks OL is a huge achilles hill. But that is something everyone in Seattle is highly aware of. Yeah they may not improve substantially but as the season goes on they will get more experience and their gameplan will be tailored to limit the mistakes a bad OL can entail. Lucky enough they have a QB like Wilson back there as opposed to someone like Ryan who is not as mobile.

Seattle looked to have had something good going with Chris Carson at RB but like you said they keep going down. Lacy and Rawls are plenty capable of having big games albeit they are very inconsistent and injury prone. But what I'm really trying to say is Seattle can afford to have a major hole at OL with Wilson and that defense more than any other team in the league.

This is the thing though, they've been rolling with that line of thinking of a few years now, as one-by-one they've turned over a really good offensive line from their first Super Bowl to a bunch of turnstiles now and it's starting to bite them.  It's one thing to say we're going to go bargain-basement on the o-line, but they're taking it to another level.

Last year they elected to go with a starting left tackle who had never played offensive line before at any level, and it almost got their $100 million quarterback killed.  And this year that guy went down in the preseason.  There's only so much magic Russell's got.

And tailoring your offense at this point to fit that line means pretty much ripping huge chunks of the playbook out until you literally have a handful of plays to run.  That's how bad that offensive line has been.  They can't run power, they struggle blocking inside zone, they can't protect any deep drops by the QB for routes to develop downfield.  It's literally got to be outside zone and quick pass sets and I just don't think that's sustainable because they've had issues all season keeping the offense on the field.  That in turn has left that great defense out there to dry -- which is already starting to get beat up.

I still expect them to make the playoffs because the only real threat in that division is the Rams, but after seeing them play 5 games, unless they find a running game (I guess anything is possible with Tom Cable and bye week) and stay out of long yardage which has been the thing plaguing them all season, then they're not really structured this year to play with the better teams in the NFC.  This is coming from someone who is a huge fan of Pete Carroll and his program.   

[Xyfiel]

I just noticed we have one game remaining vs a under .500 team(Dallas).  Of course that will change but interesting fact.

[octoslash]

We need Beasley, bad. 

[zekeyboy1]

The Miami game is more than a "must win" imo. We need to DOMINATE..But you never know with the Falcons. Sad but true.

Edited October 11, 2017 by zekeyboy1

[Peyton]

11 hours ago, falconidae said:

Think the Vick led falcons getting blown out in KC, with 2 different RBs scoring 4 TDs each would still be in the running.

The "Wing-T" loss to Carolina in 06 stands out as well. Weinke completed 4 of 7 passes, they ran it 52 times.

And, you're right, a loss would be really worrisome

 

The Mora Falcons routinely embarrassed themselves late in the season.

I'm not so sure that Carolina game was even the worst of that season.  The Falcons lost at home to the 2-6 Brian Hoyer led Browns earlier that season.

[falconidae]

27 minutes ago, Peyton said:

The Mora Falcons routinely embarrassed themselves late in the season.

I'm not so sure that Carolina game was even the worst of that season.  The Falcons lost at home to the 2-6 Brian Hoyer led Browns earlier that season.

Sad there are so many choices for the title of worst regular season loss ever. The Carolina game still rankles me-They ran the same play 50+ times and the Falcons never countered it.

[Peyton]

6 minutes ago, falconidae said:

Sad there are so many choices for the title of worst regular season loss ever. The Carolina game still rankles me-They ran the same play 50+ times and the Falcons never countered it.

All the Falcons had to do to counter it was score....once.  Vick and the offense was the real problem in that game, not the wildcat.

[slamee101]

It's a must game in the sense that they all are.  I think this loss obviously wouldn't spell the end for us in reality but our perception as fans and the national perception would change because despite every NFL team being capable of winning any game this is a Miami team that's playing poorly and coming off of a "bad week".  You're coming off the week and get them at home...you should kind of handle business.  

I think this game is as much about mental preparation and coaching as any game.  With 11 more games after this one and what would be two losses against AFC opponents (if we lost) it's not truly a must-win to me but it would be a really bad loss.

[achin2be]

But can the Dirty Birds cover the line?

[g-dawg]

5 hours ago, Xyfiel said:

I just noticed we have one game remaining vs a under .500 team(Dallas).  Of course that will change but interesting fact.

yeah, no cupcakes left.   Regardless of what you think of Saints, they have Drew Brees and that will always make them dangerous.

[falconsd56]

1 hour ago, slamee101 said:

It's a must game in the sense that they all are.  I think this loss obviously wouldn't spell the end for us in reality but our perception as fans and the national perception would change because despite every NFL team being capable of winning any game this is a Miami team that's playing poorly and coming off of a "bad week".  You're coming off the week and get them at home...you should kind of handle business.  

I think this game is as much about mental preparation and coaching as any game.  With 11 more games after this one and what would be two losses against AFC opponents (if we lost) it's not truly a must-win to me but it would be a really bad loss.

This x's 1000.

It is not a must min....it is a should win.

I am not worried about the panthers having a game lead in oct....when we have not played them yet....I think coming out and crushing the phins would be good for the moral.

Then again a loss would really piss the team off.....just in time for pats rematch 

[caponine]

Can we just stop underestimating teams like alot of yall do on here. Yall expect this team to be superman and beat everybody. This is not a fantasy land. Thats not going to happen. You win some, you lose some. Its expected. Any Given Sunday. If some people here think these next 6 weeks are a cakewalk. Then some of you will be in for a rude awakening, these will be hard fought games. Miami could look like a Juggernaut sunday. Like ive said, most teams in this league are jeckell and hyde. They got embrassed last week, they will play us very hard. 

[g-dawg]

1 hour ago, falconsd56 said:

This x's 1000.

It is not a must min....it is a should win.

I am not worried about the panthers having a game lead in oct....when we have not played them yet....I think coming out and crushing the phins would be good for the moral.

Then again a loss would really piss the team off.....just in time for pats rematch 

if we have to lose to Miami to be pissed off to get up for New England - LOL

[Borat]

A 3-3 record in the listed games would be a totally fine result. A winning record (especially with a win against Carolina), and I'd be bullish on HFA again this year. 

[Jerz]

12 hours ago, PeytonMannings Forehead said:

This is the thing though, they've been rolling with that line of thinking of a few years now, as one-by-one they've turned over a really good offensive line from their first Super Bowl to a bunch of turnstiles now and it's starting to bite them.  It's one thing to say we're going to go bargain-basement on the o-line, but they're taking it to another level.

Last year they elected to go with a starting left tackle who had never played offensive line before at any level, and it almost got their $100 million quarterback killed.  And this year that guy went down in the preseason.  There's only so much magic Russell's got.

And tailoring your offense at this point to fit that line means pretty much ripping huge chunks of the playbook out until you literally have a handful of plays to run.  That's how bad that offensive line has been.  They can't run power, they struggle blocking inside zone, they can't protect any deep drops by the QB for routes to develop downfield.  It's literally got to be outside zone and quick pass sets and I just don't think that's sustainable because they've had issues all season keeping the offense on the field.  That in turn has left that great defense out there to dry -- which is already starting to get beat up.

I still expect them to make the playoffs because the only real threat in that division is the Rams, but after seeing them play 5 games, unless they find a running game (I guess anything is possible with Tom Cable and bye week) and stay out of long yardage which has been the thing plaguing them all season, then they're not really structured this year to play with the better teams in the NFC.  This is coming from someone who is a huge fan of Pete Carroll and his program.   

I get it their line is bad.. still hasn't stopped them from beating good teams these past 2 seasons. With the turnover happy offense the Falcons are playing that game in Seattle is going to be ugly if they don't tighten up. Having an obvious weakness at OL doesn't mean they'll easily lay down and die. I wouldn't worry about them in the playoffs but every regular season game is going to be crucial for home field advantage and a bye week after this long stretch we are going to endure. The obvious plan of action for them is to keep the game low scoring which is not a game you want to play in Seattle against Russell. With the currently thin DL our pass rush rest on the hinges of Poe and Grady. If something happens to either one the DL could easily become a weakness if no one else steps up. Tyrod has already showed us just simply having speed is not good enough at bringing down a mobile QB when you have the chance. Here's to the offense getting back on track after the bye.

[TheFatboi]

2 hours ago, falconsd56 said:

This x's 1000.

It is not a must min....it is a should win.

I am not worried about the panthers having a game lead in oct....when we have not played them yet....I think coming out and crushing the phins would be good for the moral.

Then again a loss would really piss the team off.....just in time for pats rematch 

This makes 0 sense man. You realize if we lose to miami that will be 0-2 agai st common opponents right? Carolina has already beat Buffalo. They’re 2-0 against the AFCE. We’re 0-1. We lose to miami we’re 0-2. And if we lose to NE 0-3 and our total Record would be 3-3. So you’re ok with Carolina having that big of a lead in the division?  That could have serious implications down the stretch if we want to win the division. It’s a must win in the grand scheme of things as WELL as a should win. 

[Peyton]

1 hour ago, caponine said:

Can we just stop underestimating teams like alot of yall do on here. Yall expect this team to be superman and beat everybody. This is not a fantasy land. Thats not going to happen. You win some, you lose some. Its expected. Any Given Sunday. If some people here think these next 6 weeks are a cakewalk. Then some of you will be in for a rude awakening, these will be hard fought games. Miami could look like a Juggernaut sunday. Like ive said, most teams in this league are jeckell and hyde. They got embrassed last week, they will play us very hard. 

Dude the Dolphins are 32nd in points and 32nd in offensive yards, despite playing against the 24th, 25th, 29th, and 21st ranked defenses.  And that was before the offensive line coach got fired for sniffing coke.

The Falcons are coming off a loss and a bye.  There is ZERO reason for this game to be close.

[caponine]

51 minutes ago, Peyton said:

Dude the Dolphins are 32nd in points and 32nd in offensive yards, despite playing against the 24th, 25th, 29th, and 21st ranked defenses.  And that was before the offensive line coach got fired for sniffing coke.

The Falcons are coming off a loss and a bye.  There is ZERO reason for this game to be close.

The team got embrassed and destroyed last week, they will give a fight. With all that is going on , plus we’re one of the top dogs. And youre going to get the best , whatever that is.

[Peyton]

1 minute ago, caponine said:

The team got embrassed and destroyed last week, they will give a fight. With all that is going on , plus we’re one of the top dogs. And youre going to get the best , whatever that is.

The Dolphins won last week lol.

[caponine]

Just now, Peyton said:

The Dolphins won last week lol.

Lol ohhh sh*t  u right , i got my weeks mixed up lol