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If You Could Go Back to November 8, 2016 How Would You Vote, Knowing What You Know Now?


If You Could Go Back to November 8, 2016 How Would You Vote, Knowing What You Know Now?  

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Just now, AF89 said:

Bet you he'd be much closer to a Obamacare repeal and tax reform than Trump is too

I don't think so.  The GOP is FUBAR right now...that has nothing to do with Trump.  The GOP is showing it's true colors when the chips are down.  When they knew repeal was just an exercise because Obama would veto it, they voted for it every time overwhelmingly.  I'm sick of all politicians and I am a strong advocate for term limits.  If I wasn't having such a great life I'd run, but why would I want to throw my hat in that swamp?

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Just now, WhenFalconsWin said:

I don't think so.  The GOP is FUBAR right now...that has nothing to do with Trump.  The GOP is showing it's true colors when the chips are down.  When they knew repeal was just an exercise because Obama would veto it, they voted for it every time overwhelmingly.  I'm sick of all politicians and I am a strong advocate for term limits.  If I wasn't having such a great life I'd run, but why would I want to throw my hat in that swamp?

Trump provided no policy directive for healthcare reform outside of 'repeal Obamacare' and whenever he tried to whip up votes he just shot himself in the foot (eg. threatening Murkowski). So, I will thankfully disagree that Trump has nothing to do with the GOP being a chicken with its head cut off.

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Just now, Psychic Gibbon said:

Trump provided no policy directive for healthcare reform outside of 'repeal Obamacare' and whenever he tried to whip up votes he just shot himself in the foot (eg. threatening Murkowski). So, I will thankfully disagree that Trump has nothing to do with the GOP being a chicken with its head cut off.

FUBAR [not recognized] apparently

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1 minute ago, WhenFalconsWin said:

Yes, remind me about that lying sack of shyt Schumer again...and that deal he was spouting off (with Trump) about DACA? :lol:

Got their debt ceiling demands with zero negotiation and got Trump to announce his support for the Dream Act. We'll see where the latter winds up in the coming months.

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Just now, The Legendary SB said:

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C'mon guys this is at least on par with my Obama meltdowns.  

And about that nuke thing, I'd be really impressed if NK had something so long range in could hit Georgia.  To my knowledge they have nowhere near that capability.  Did you move to South Korea or something?

Yeah . . . it was a complete melt down freak out.  It happened at 1:30 when I was half asleep and aware enough to know that sirens were going off even though the weather was calm but not aware enough to calculate the ever changing range of NK's ICBM.

You're right, it was a freak out.

But I never had a freak out like that under Nixon, Ford, Carter, Reagan, HW Bush, Clinton, W, or Obama.

Maybe I'm getting old.

Or maybe it is because Nixon, Ford, Carter, Reagan, HW Bush, Clinton, W, or Obama ever called Mentally Deranged Dictators of Nuclear armed countries childish names.

And also because Nixon, Ford, Carter, Reagan, HW Bush, Clinton, W, or Obama were not themselves mentally deranged.

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1 minute ago, Psychic Gibbon said:

Got their debt ceiling demands with zero negotiation and got Trump to announce his support for the Dream Act. We'll see where the latter winds up in the coming months.

That was going to happen anyways.  Screw the GOP playing games with that...those A-holes wanted to delay it 18 months...I wish I had a residence in every state so I could vote their azzes out.  Hey, your a democrat, tell me how y'all get away with that?

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1 minute ago, holymoses said:

Yeah . . . it was a complete melt down freak out.  It happened at 1:30 when I was half asleep and aware enough to know that sirens were going off even though the weather was calm but not aware enough to calculate the ever changing range of NK's ICBM.

You're right, it was a freak out.

But I never had a freak out like that under Nixon, Ford, Carter, Reagan, HW Bush, Clinton, W, or Obama.

Maybe I'm getting old.

Or maybe it is because Nixon, Ford, Carter, Reagan, HW Bush, Clinton, W, or Obama ever called Mentally Deranged Dictators of Nuclear armed countries childish names.

And also because Nixon, Ford, Carter, Reagan, HW Bush, Clinton, W, or Obama were not themselves mentally deranged.

Good lawd, see, this is what I mean.  

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11 minutes ago, Psychic Gibbon said:

Trump provided no policy directive for healthcare reform outside of 'repeal Obamacare' and whenever he tried to whip up votes he just shot himself in the foot (eg. threatening Murkowski). So, I will thankfully disagree that Trump has nothing to do with the GOP being a chicken with its head cut off.

They're  still blind that Trump kinda sucks at negotiations. It's gonna continuely be just about everyone else's fault but master negotiater Trump's for any many years to come.

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14 minutes ago, holymoses said:

 

 

Tornado sirens were going off at 1:30 this morning and they woke me up.  I was groggy, but awake enough to check radar on my phone for weather alerts and there were none. 

At that moment, I became afraid we were getting Nuked by North Korea.  I turned on the TV and was in a panic for a few minutes.

I've been pretty unhappy about previous election results.

But I have NEVER for a MOMENT been actually concerned that we were under nuclear attack until now.

But yeah . . . it's a big freakin' joke

Do you realize how many babies are going to be killed if we start throwing nuclear warheads around?

But don't change your votes guys.

And don't do a G-D D#MN thing to prevent him from getting re-elected either.

The purpose of this thread was NOT to rehash this whole thing.  SB actually has it figured out.

But you guys are reinforcing my theory to my great disappointment.  

 

Nuclear brinkmanship

2002 October - US and its key Asian allies Japan and South Korea halt oil shipments following North Korea's reported admission that it has secretly been developing a uranium-based nuclear programme.

2002 December - North Korea announces it is reactivating nuclear facilities at Yongbyon and expels UN inspectors.

2003 January - North Korea withdraws from the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty, marking the beginning of a series of six-party talks involving China, the Koreas, the US, Japan and Russia to try to resolve the nuclear issue.

2003 May - North Korea withdraws from 1992 agreement with South Korea to keep the Korean Peninsula free of nuclear weapons.

Six-party talks

 
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North Korea says it needs nuclear weapons to defend itself from US "imperialism"

Q&A: North Korea nuclear programme

2003 October - Pyongyang declares it has completed the reprocessing of 8,000 spent nuclear fuel rods. Experts say this would give the North enough weapons-grade plutonium to develop up to six nuclear bombs within months.

2005 February - North Korea admits publicly for the first time that it has produced nuclear weapons for "self defence".

2006 July - North Korea test fires seven missiles including a long-range Taepodong-2 missile, which crashes shortly after take-off despite it reportedly having the capability to hit the US.

2006 October - North Korea conducts its first nuclear weapons test at an underground facility. The UN imposes economic and commercial sanctions on North Korea.

 
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Pyongyang's missile launches have drawn international condemnation

North Korea's missile programme

2007 July - North Korea shuts down it main Yongbyon reactor after receiving 50,000 tons of heavy fuel oil as part of an aid package.

2007 August - South Korea announces it will send nearly 50m US dollars in aid to the North after Pyongyang makes rare appeal for flood relief.

Nuclear declaration

2007 October - Second inter-Korean summit held in Pyongyang. President Roh Moo-hyun becomes the first South Korean leader to walk across the Demilitarized Zone separating North and South.

 
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An all-pervasive personality cult surrounds North Korean leaders past and present

Delving into mystical cult of personality

2008 March - North-South relations deteriorate sharply after new South Korean President Lee Myung-bak promises to take a harder line on North Korea.

2008 August - Kim Jong-il suffers a stroke

2008 October - North agrees to provide full access to Yongbyon nuclear site after US removes it from terrorism blacklist.

Nuclear tensions rise

2009 January - North Korea says it is scrapping all military and political deals with the South, accusing it of "hostile intent".

2009 April - North Korea launches a long-range rocket, carrying what it says is a communications satellite; its neighbours accuse it of testing long-range missile technology. Condemnation from the UN Security Council prompts North Korea to walk out of six-party talks and restart its nuclear facilities.

2009 May - North Korea carries out its second underground nuclear test. UN Security Council condemns move in June.

2009 August - North Korea frees American journalists Laura Ling and Euna Lee after former US President Bill Clinton facilitates their release. The pair was sentenced to 12 years hard labour for allegedly crossing the border illegally.

North makes conciliatory gestures to South, sending delegation to funeral of former President Kim Dae-jung, releasing four South Korean fishermen, and agreeing to resume family reunions.

2009 November - North Korea's state-run news agency reports the reprocessing of 8,000 spent fuel rods is complete, garnering enough weapons-grade plutonium for one to two nuclear bombs.

2010 February - Increased social unrest reportedly leads the government to relax free market restrictions after a 2009 currency revaluation wiped out many cash savings in the country.

Sinking of Cheonan

2010 March - North Korea sinks South Korean warship Cheonan near sea border.

 
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The sinking of South Korea's Cheonan in 2010 ratcheted up tensions - already high - even further

How South Korean ship was sunk

2010 September - Kim Jong-il's youngest son Kim Jong-un is appointed to senior political and military posts, fuelling speculation of a possible succession.

2010 November - North Korea reportedly shows an eminent visiting American nuclear scientist a new secretly-built facility for enriching uranium at its Yongbyon complex. The revelation sparks alarm and anger in US, South and Japan.

Cross-border clash near disputed maritime border results in the deaths of two South Korean marines. North Korea's military insists it did not open fire first and blames the South for the incident.

Succession

2011 December - Death of Kim Jong-il. Kim Jong-un presides at funeral and takes over key posts by April.

 
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Kim Jong-il's funeral was accompanied by scenes of public grief

How genuine are the tears?

Funeral seeks to unite N Korea

2012 April - Rocket launch - viewed internationally as a banned test of long-range Taepodong-2 missile technology - fails. North Korea says aim was to put a satellite into orbit to mark 100th birth anniversary of Kim Il-sung.

2012 October - North Korea claims it has missiles than can hit the US mainland after South Korea and Washington announce a deal to extend the range of South Korea's ballistic missiles.

2012 December - North Korea successfully launches a "rocket-mounted satellite" into orbit following a failed attempt in April.

Third nuclear test

2013 February - UN approves fresh sanctions after North Korea stages its third nuclear test, said to be more powerful than the 2009 test.

2013 April - North Korea says it will restart all facilities at its main Yongbyon nuclear complex and briefly withdraws its 53,000-strong workforce from the South-Korean-funded Kaesong joint industrial park stalling operations at 123 South Korean factories.

 
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The Kaesong factory complex is seen as a symbol of North-South co-operation.

Q&A: Kaesong Industrial Complex

2013 July - Panama impounds a North Korean ship carrying two MiG-21 jet fighters under bags of sugar. The UN later blacklists the ship's operator.

2013 September - Sole ally China bans export to North Korea of items that could be used to make missiles or nuclear, chemical and biological weapons.

2013 December - Kim Jong-un's uncle, Chang Song-thaek, is found guilty of attempting to overthrow the state and is summarily executed - in a purge seen as the biggest shake-up since the death of Kim Jong-il in 2011.

2014 March - North Korea test-fires two medium-range Rodong ballistic missiles for the first time since 2009, in violation of UN resolutions and just hours after the US, South Korea and Japan met in the Netherlands for talks.

Two drones allegedly from North Korea are found in the south, sparking concerns about the north's intelligence gathering capabilities.

  Image copyright Getty Images Image caption The North Korean leader's uncle, Chang Song-thaek, appears in court before his execution

2014 October - Officials pay surprise visit to south, agree to resume formal talks that have been suspended since February.

2014 December - North Korea and US exchange accusations of cyber-attacks over a Sony Pictures film mocking Kim Jong-un, prompting new US sanctions the following month.

2015 August - South Korea halts loudspeaker propaganda broadcasts across the Demilitarised Zone after the North fires on them during annual US/South-Korean military exercises.

Nuclear push

2015 September - North Korea confirms it has put its Yongbyon nuclear plant - mothballed in 2007 - back into operation.

2015 December - US imposes new sanctions on North Korea over weapons proliferation, targeting the army's Strategic Rocket Force, banks and shipping companies.

2016 January - Government announcement of first hydrogen bomb test met with widespread expert scepticism.

  Image copyright AFP/Getty Images Image caption North Korea's ruling party held a rare congress in May 2016

2016 May - The ruling Workers Party holds its first congress in almost 40 years, during which Kim Jong-un is elected leader of the party.

2016 November - UN Security Council further tightens sanctions by aiming to cut one of North Korea's main exports, coal, by 60 per cent.

2017 January - Kim Jong-un says North Korea is in the final stages of developing long-range guided missiles capable of carrying nuclear warheads.

2017 February - Kim Jong-un's estranged half-brother Kim Jong-nam is killed by a highly toxic nerve agent in Malaysia, with investigators suspecting North Korean involvement.

2017 July - Pyongyang test fires a long-range missile into the Sea of Japan, with some experts stating the missile could potentially reach Alaska.

2017 August - Tension rises in war of words with US over North Korean threat to fire ballistic missiles near US Pacific territory of Guam.

China announces it plans to implement the UN sanctions against North Korea agreed earlier this month, banning imports of coal, minerals and sea food.

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1 minute ago, WhenFalconsWin said:

That was going to happen anyways.  Screw the GOP playing games with that...those A-holes wanted to delay it 18 months...I wish I had a residence in every state so I could vote their azzes out.  Hey, your a democrat, tell me how y'all get away with that?

lol no it wasn't. The Democrats gave their initial offer to begin negotiations and deal maker immediately accepted it.

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1 minute ago, Psychic Gibbon said:

lol no it wasn't. The Democrats gave their initial offer to begin negotiations and deal maker immediately accepted it.

GOP wanted 18 months, that is the figure they had in their head (not Trump) he wanted the 3 months to light a fire under their arses so they would start going along with his agenda.  

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3 minutes ago, WhenFalconsWin said:

GOP wanted 18 months, that is the figure they had in their head (not Trump) he wanted the 3 months to light a fire under their arses so they would start going along with his agenda.  

Democrats opened with three months since it was a ridiculous demand. Three months does nothing more than put extra pressure on Trump and Republicans since they're the ones who will get hit by the flack if the debt ceiling isn't raised. Republicans, conversely, wanted to make sure this wasn't an issue for them for the rest of this Congress.

President deal maker took the first offer presented to him, which just so happened to be the Democrats' offer. Now they'll have to deal with the debt ceiling again when they will be in the middle of their fight for tax cuts for the wealthy reform.

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2 hours ago, AF89 said:

 

The same cannot be said of Trump voters. Their guy is still in the game and (like W) they're not about to admit how much he sucks till they no longer believe he will (or he constitutionally cannot continue) to wage their culture war for them

 

What chew talking 'bout?   W was the freakin man!!  

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3 minutes ago, The Great American said:

What chew talking 'bout?   W was the freakin man!!  

Okay but how man people do you personally know that act like he sucked and was no true conservative but you know for a fact they were voting for him and putting Bush-Chenney signs in thier front yards just 12 years ago?

I know a couple dozen

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4 minutes ago, Psychic Gibbon said:

Democrats opened with three months since it was a ridiculous demand. Three months does nothing more than put extra pressure on Trump and Republicans since they're the ones who will get hit by the flack if the debt ceiling isn't raised. Republicans, conversely, wanted to make sure this wasn't an issue for them for the rest of this Congress.

President deal maker took the first offer presented to him, which just so happened to be the Democrats' offer. Now they'll have to deal with the debt ceiling again when they will be in the middle of their fight for tax cuts for the wealthy reform.

That's my point...putting pressure on the GOP, hence why they wanted 18 months.

Why do I repeatedly have to explain to you what you are actually trying to convey to me.  You're just fuggin' wit me ain't ya?  Because if you're not I'm worried about you.  

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2 minutes ago, AF89 said:

Okay but how man people do you personally know that act like he sucked and was no true conservative but you know for a fact they were voting for him and putting Bush-Chenney signs in thier front yards just 12 years ago?

I know a couple dozen

I have no idea what that question means.  But I do know that it was an honor to have a man like W serve in my lifetime.  

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4 minutes ago, WhenFalconsWin said:

That's my point...putting pressure on the GOP, hence why they wanted 18 months.

Why do I repeatedly have to explain to you what you are actually trying to convey to me.  You're just fuggin' wit me ain't ya?  Because if you're not I'm worried about you.  

Because your attempt to spin this in Trump's favor is dumb as ****.

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6 minutes ago, The Great American said:

I have no idea what that question means.  But I do know that it was an honor to have a man like W serve in my lifetime.  

Cause so many current Trump voters use as a defense mechanism that they never really liked Bush to deflect criticisms that they're only overlooking Trump's many many many faults because R.

10 years before that they were probably saying "well I never really liked his father but W's values really resonate with me."

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4 minutes ago, WhenFalconsWin said:

I just think you get discombobulated very easy or it's just an old fashioned lack of understanding on your part.  

You are essentially arguing that it's a good thing that Republicans will have to deal with the debt ceiling again in the middle of tax cuts for the rich reform efforts because Trump wanted to light a fire under them to get tax reform done. It is dumb as ****.

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1 hour ago, holymoses said:

 

 

Tornado sirens were going off at 1:30 this morning and they woke me up.  I was groggy, but awake enough to check radar on my phone for weather alerts and there were none. 

At that moment, I became afraid we were getting Nuked by North Korea.  I turned on the TV and was in a panic for a few minutes.

I've been pretty unhappy about previous election results.

But I have NEVER for a MOMENT been actually concerned that we were under nuclear attack until now.

But yeah . . . it's a big freakin' joke

Do you realize how many babies are going to be killed if we start throwing nuclear warheads around?

But don't change your votes guys.

And don't do a G-D D#MN thing to prevent him from getting re-elected either.

The purpose of this thread was NOT to rehash this whole thing.  SB actually has it figured out.

But you guys are reinforcing my theory to my great disappointment.  

 

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1)  I voted for a pro choice guy.  The single-issue voter thing has never been true of me, and yet you recycle it like a dog returning to its vomit.

2)  I didn't vote in the Democrat primary.  I'm not responsible for your s****y candidate.

3)  You voted for Donald Trump.

4)  Dude, you TOTALLY EFFING VOTED FOR DONALD M***********G TRUMP!

5)  Speaking of things people could do to prevent him from being elected, first on my list is NOT VOTING FOR DONALD M***********G TRUMP!

6)  Second on that list is voting for someone other than Clinton in the Democrat primary.

7)  You seriously thought the tornado sirens were thermonuclear war with N. Korea?  You are missing the antibodies that stop normal people from catching a terminal case of the vapors.

8)  Chill.  It will all be fine.  There's another election in 2020.  And this is exclusive footage of N. Korea's last missile test:

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