A developing concern with our defense

[MD-FalconFan13]

We've seen RBs be a major contributors receiving out of the backfield against our defense. 

Melvin Gordon, James White and the latest being Tarik Cohen. All were big headaches receiving the ball and added to our inability to stop the other teams offense in key moments of their respective games. 

TEs have also been a thorn in our sides but moreso Receiving RBs. Against GB we face a RB that is actually a receiver. Will be specifically watching for how we counter this element this week and thoroughout the season. Because if we can't stop this, teams will use it all year. 

Thoughts?

[A Pimp Named Slickback™]

Most of the time the guys are not tackling well on these plays. They get in the backfield and simply do not bring the guy down.

[Vandy]

Every D has a weakness...NE exposed our  D with James White catching umpteen balls in Super Bowl...

And Ty Montgomery is a very underrated receiving threat in Rodgers arsenal...although not as fast as Cohen, he'll still be targeted early and often Sunday...

plus McCaffrey and Samuel for panthers even more so ...Quinn/Manuel gotta figure that all out by the time we play those guys.

[Lethal]

22 minutes ago, A Pimp Named Slickback™ said:

Most of the time the guys are not tackling well on these plays. They get in the backfield and simply do not bring the guy down.

Bingo.  The defense had Cohen dead to rights on quite a few occasions and didn't finish the play.  Credit to Cohen as well, he is elusive, but sound tackling goes a long way in limiting the big plays.

[SkerFalcon8710]

The curse of the cover 3... you tend to allow a lot of underneath stuff.. the key is to limit yac 

[raysnill1]

if we got the RB on the ground on first contact, that would take at least 60 receiving yards away from the RB total yards and about 3 first downs

[mtldirtybird]

this isnt a developing concern lol TE's and receiving backs have put up #s vs us since DQ took over. It's the C3. You drop deep and force the underneath throw and then you swarm. We just have to adjust to the angles and depth on zones and technique. OF course playing a quick-twitch rookie back like that will catch you off guard. We'll be fine vs Ty as long as we wrap and group tackle. He can break tackles but he isnt fast like Cohen

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[SLEVEN]

22 minutes ago, mtldirtybird said:

this isnt a developing concern lol TE's and receiving backs have put up #s vs us since DQ took over. It's the C3. You drop deep and force the underneath throw and then you swarm. We just have to adjust to the angles and depth on zones and technique. OF course playing a quick-twitch rookie back like that will catch you off guard. We'll be fine vs Ty as long as we wrap and group tackle. He can break tackles but he isnt fast like Cohen

 

Exactly this, the developing concern is guys not being able to wrap up and tackle when they have a guy dead to rights. Too many tackles last week where guys lowered their shoulders but didn't wrap their arms around the guy. Quinn will have to problem fixed quickly. 

[papachaz]

developing? 

 

dude, where have you been the last few years? this ain't developing thing, it's been ongoing

[mattyicefalcon]

1 hour ago, MD-FalconFan13 said:

We've seen RBs be a major contributors receiving out of the backfield against our defense. 

Melvin Gordon, James White and the latest being Tarik Cohen. All were big headaches receiving the ball and added to our inability to stop the other teams offense in key moments of their respective games. 

TEs have also been a thorn in our sides but moreso Receiving RBs. Against GB we face a RB that is actually a receiver. Will be specifically watching for how we counter this element this week and thoroughout the season. Because if we can't stop this, teams will use it all year. 

Thoughts?

It starts within trenches....thats why reloaded our oline with key addition of Poe just like we did with Mack on oline and it paid huge dividends.

And ofcourse, Crawford & Takks relentless pursuit to ball will create more opportunities at the backfield. 

Not to mention, theres NO team in NFL right now with soo much depth on both sides of the ball.....

I keep looking at this entire roster and try to match it up with others....just hands down no comparison.

We may not have experienced team but, we got all aggresive minded ball hawks.

Keep calm it will pay dividends very soon.

Enjoy #brothership!!

 

[Francis York Morgan]

RBs, yes. TEs, absolutely not.

[PokerSteve]

You need a decent pass rush and solid tackling no matter what scheme you're running. We finally have at least some semblance of a pass rush, but I haven't seen much solid, fundamental tackling by this team since long before Mike Smith's tenure.

[Falconsfan567]

I consider each year new and complete separate from anything that happened previously. Maybe that's why I have a better perspective than the majority of the folks on this message board than can't get over the SB, but that's a different story.

The Falcons had no clue how involved in the passing game Tarik Cohen would be because the Bears didn't complete a single pass to him during the preseason. They also had very little if any game film on him which is another reason they had no idea how to game plan for his speed.

[RYNE]

2 hours ago, MD-FalconFan13 said:

We've seen RBs be a major contributors receiving out of the backfield against our defense. 

Melvin Gordon, James White and the latest being Tarik Cohen. All were big headaches receiving the ball and added to our inability to stop the other teams offense in key moments of their respective games. 

TEs have also been a thorn in our sides but moreso Receiving RBs. Against GB we face a RB that is actually a receiver. Will be specifically watching for how we counter this element this week and thoroughout the season. Because if we can't stop this, teams will use it all year. 

Thoughts?

I don't think covering backs out of the backfield is a developing concern. We have always had problems with this as well as TE's. Go back and look at posts by me every time we play the taints. It's the same keys to the game every time with them. Stop the TE up the seam and stop the dump offs out of the backfield. 

 

This has been an issue 

[Wjcorner]

20 minutes ago, Falconsfan567 said:

I consider each year new and complete separate from anything that happened previously. Maybe that's why I have a better perspective than the majority of the folks on this message board than can't get over the SB, but that's a different story.

The Falcons had no clue how involved in the passing game Tarik Cohen would be because the Bears didn't complete a single pass to him during the preseason. They also had very little if any game film on him which is another reason they had no idea how to game plan for his speed.

 

 

Humility ain't ya thing, huh?

[Falconsfan567]

1 minute ago, Wjcorner said:

 

 

Humility ain't ya thing, huh?

I've got plenty of humility. When you've been humbled as many times as I have you learn humility.

[Wjcorner]

Just now, Falconsfan567 said:

I've got plenty of humility. When you've been humbled as many times as I have you learn humility.

Shoots

[Wjcorner]

Just now, Falconsfan567 said:

I've got plenty of humility. When you've been humbled as many times as I have you learn humility.

Shoots 

[shockerfalcon]

Like others said it's not an emerging issue but rather a weakness of the scheme. Sound tackling can limit the damage. I'm actually less worried about it against GB due to Rodgers weakness I.e. His ego and refusal to be a dink and dunk passer he would rather try and buy time with his legs and go for a big play than dump it off to rbs and TEs underneath. Rbs receiving have never been a staple of GBs offense since AR12 has been at the helm. 

[gazoo]

The defense isn't statick. 

Last year we had 4 rookies starting in addition to 3 second year starters. We only had 1 starter with playoff experience on defense in Alford near end of season and is n playoffs.

When talking about our defense last year, are you talking about the first half defense, the second half defense or the playoff defense?

Now, if you want to assess our playoff defense, it's patently absurd to count the last quarter of the Super Bowl once the defense had played over 1.5 games worth of snaps and were gasping for air between snaps in 4th quarter and OT.  

Our young, inexperienced defense tightened way up at end of season. All the pundits were saying Bree's was going to smoke us last game, then Russell Wilson was going to embarrass our defense and Seattle would beta us in playoffs, then.....after we mopped the floor with both of them there was supposed to be no way we were going to get past Arron Rodgers....he was supposed to tear our defense apart and Green Bay would advance to Super Bowl. Our defense destroyed Rodgers.

Then, our defense mopped the floor with Tom Brady until they were so exhausted they were gasping for air. Brady had no TDs and Pats only scored 3 points through over 3 quarters of play. Brady had only completed about half his passes and had a pick 6. It was only after 89 amd 90 snaps Brady came back alive and it had ZERO to do with talent level or ability of our defense, it had 100% to do with being gassed.

Mark my words, this defense is going to tighten up even more than they were last last year. These young guys have valuable experience now and will be even better with Takk and Poe. We have plenty enough speed to shut down the short stuff, it's all about recognition and better tackling form now. Campbell looks much improved in coverage from last year and Neal came into his own late. Our defense will be much improved covering  TEs and backs.

 

[Mid-Nite-Toker]

Concerned? Two running backs from last season and one this year.

I think concern is an overstatement.  Let's get to game 8 and discuss this "concern."

[gazoo]

I put little weight on the Chicago game. First game of season and probably a little surprised at a rookies receiving ability. Bigs package on defense in most of the game......flukish game for many reasons.