Know your foe - Packers

[mattyicefalcon]

Mike Daniels / Rocket Arm have circled this upcoming "grudge" match in offseason and gonna give over 100% 

Besides, Rodgers who do you guys think is bigger threat to Falcons?

Lets just simply put skill set matchups.

Past is past. We are somewhat a diff team (more conservative/balanced) as it appears they are very aggresive mainly on offense. 

Thoughts?

 

 

Edited September 13, 2017 by mattyicefalcon

[Tim Mazetti]

See. 2016 NFC Championship game. 

Yes, Pack were injured. So?

Falcons gotta use their world class offense.

Then all is good.

[SamMills51]

Their secondary will probably orient your offense to a more air-oriented attack. Against the Bears, I was surprised the Falcons didn't try deep much. Probably saving that for the Packers.

Sarkisian has to make better playcalls. Pretty basic stuff from him against the Bears, and never seemed to get stuff going. Lot like Shula in some ways in terms of not getting the right feel going.

D-line is pretty decent this year. Don't think you should sleep on that.

Aaron Rodgers. A wizard at QB. Run defense has to be better, and your secondary has to remain relentless. Trufant can't be making the same mistakes he made against the Bears.

Poe, Jarrett, Beasley, and co. need to bring the pressure they showed against the Bears. Force Rodgers to get uncomfortable and give his WRs no time. 

A winnable game with your roster. But it will be close.

Edited September 13, 2017 by SamMills51

[Knight of God]

Their secondary got away with A LOT the other night. Their most underrated thread is Ty Montgomery I think. Daniels over Wes is scary.

[Tim Mazetti]

Good analysis Mills.

Edited September 13, 2017 by Tim Mazetti

[Lornoth]

I still don't understand what Trufant did that was so bad. 

The Packers aren't anything special. I see no reason to be scared of them this year, just like last year.

[Tandy]

44 minutes ago, SamMills51 said:

Their secondary will probably orient your offense to a more air-oriented attack. Against the Bears, I was surprised the Falcons didn't try deep much. Probably saving that for the Packers.

Sarkisian has to make better playcalls. Pretty basic stuff from him against the Bears, and never seemed to get stuff going. Lot like Shula in some ways in terms of not getting the right feel going.

D-line is pretty decent this year. Don't think you should sleep on that.

Aaron Rodgers. A wizard at QB. Run defense has to be better, and your secondary has to remain relentless. Trufant can't be making the same mistakes he made against the Bears.

Poe, Jarrett, Beasley, and co. need to bring the pressure they showed against the Bears. Force Rodgers to get uncomfortable and give his WRs no time. 

A winnable game with your roster. But it will be close.

I think the lack of deep ball had more to do with the deep threats.   Both Julio and Gabriel missed a lot of practice time because of injury recovery.    To get that deep ball down - it takes timing - which takes practice.

They'll likely hit a few in the upcoming game.

As far as close - it darned near usually is between these 2 quarterbacks.

2008  - We won 27-24   (3 points)    

2010 - We won 20-17 (3 points)

2011 - We lost 14-25 (11 points) one of Ryan's worst games for sure

2014 - We lost 37-43 (6 points)  

2016 - We won 33-32 (1 point)

Of course, those are regular season games.   They met twice in the playoffs with one sided results one way then the other.

 

Head to head - we are 3-2 in regular season and 1-1 in post season when Ryan and Rodgers are starting.  

I expect this to be a battle on the field - and it will probably be close.    Of course, best case scenario for us - is we take the win and come away with no injuries (to either team)

 

 

 

[papachaz]

29 minutes ago, Tim Mazetti said:

Good analysis Mills.

really? because it seems to me he missed out on how little time our whole starting offense got together during preseason, with the swapping in and out RG position for 'competition', JJ being limited coming back from foot surgery, Gabriel missing time with injury,  Free missing time in concussion protocol..... I mean that game was probably being called ultra conservatively for way more reasons than a lot of people realize.

as for the D, I want to see that soft zone just flat out go away! We proved last year keep the pressure on A-a-ron, and he'll get mad and starting trying to body slam the cornerbacks out of bounds  

[Knight of God]

2 hours ago, papachaz said:

really? because it seems to me he missed out on how little time our whole starting offense got together during preseason, with the swapping in and out RG position for 'competition', JJ being limited coming back from foot surgery, Gabriel missing time with injury,  Free missing time in concussion protocol..... I mean that game was probably being called ultra conservatively for way more reasons than a lot of people realize.

as for the D, I want to see that soft zone just flat out go away! We proved last year keep the pressure on A-a-ron, and he'll get mad and starting trying to body slam the cornerbacks out of bounds  

You keep saying you don't know that much about football...I smell some bull.

[LightningDawg58]

4 hours ago, papachaz said:

as for the D, I want to see that soft zone just flat out go away! We proved last year keep the pressure on A-a-ron, and he'll get mad and starting trying to body slam the cornerbacks out of bounds  

This^^^

if there is one thing I dislike about us is that we are going to force that dang soft zone coverage especially when protecting a lead late in games. 

We gave up a TON of garbage points and yards last year, and on Sunday after we kept them in check all game we backed off again and let them drive up the field on us twice in the 4th quarter.

If they hold on to the ball at the end they would have 14 points against us in the 4th versus just 10 points over the first 3 quarters.

I know Quinns DNA is the cover 3 zone but the coaches HAVE to see and recognize that our team's natural strengths are in man coverage.

Matter of fact I know they do because on the very last play we went man with the game on the line and came up big. 

All I know is I can't take another season of watching teams drive on us late in games because we start backing off with the lead. I can't remember the last time we got beat deep over the top (maybe Seattle in playoffs) but I have nightmares still about Brady dinking and dunking his way down the field and not being able to do anything about it. 

 

 

Edited September 13, 2017 by LightningDawg58

[PHALCONABERNATHY]

39 minutes ago, LightningDawg58 said:

This^^^

if there is one thing I dislike about us is that we are going to force that dang soft zone coverage especially when protecting a lead late in games. 

We gave up a TON of garbage points and yards last year, and on Sunday after we kept them in check all game we backed off again and let them drive up the field on us twice in the 4th quarter.

If they hold on to the ball at the end they would have 14 points against us in the 4th versus just 10 points over the first 3 quarters.

I know Quinns DNA is the cover 3 zone but the coaches HAVE to see and recognize that our team's natural strengths are in man coverage.

Matter of fact I know they do because on the very last play we went man with the game on the line and came up big. 

All I know is I can't take another season of watching teams drive on us late in games because we start backing off with the lead. I can't remember the last time we got beat deep over the top (maybe Seattle in playoffs) but I have nightmares still about Brady dinking and dunking his way down the field and not being able to do anything about it. 

 

 

The biggest problem with this team as a whole is that soft pillow and blanket coverage. It's so annoying and almost unbearable to watch. Can't believe they've began to use it already one week into the new season.

[Caddieman]

5 hours ago, Knight of God said:

Their secondary got away with A LOT the other night. Their most underrated thread is Ty Montgomery I think. Daniels over Wes is scary.

Anybody over Wes is scary!!!

[falcndave]

13 hours ago, PHALCONABERNATHY said:

The biggest problem with this team as a whole is that soft pillow and blanket coverage. It's so annoying and almost unbearable to watch. Can't believe they've began to use it already one week into the new season.

That is the way Quinn has coached defense for his entire career. When you play 3 deep, and the offense attacks both seems, your going to appear to look soft or you are going to stand there and watch receivers run past you. As the field gets shorter the defenses loses the ability to stretch it and the zones get more compact. The net effect is the defense appears more aggressive in the red zone. 

That said, Quinn played more man last year than ever.  He especially likes to attack 3rd downs with press coverage and/or blitzes. What we need in situations like the 4 minute drive last week is more consistent pressure from our front 4. They are going to get it done, or the QB is going to pick at the zone defense. 

Last year in the playoffs the Packers were all nicked up and we were able to play zone man quite a bit. We need to remember they didn't have Cobb for either game. That is significant. With all of the weapons out there, expect a frustrating amount of zone next week. That said, our nickle is likely to be our base next week, and we will get more consistent pressure out of that personnel group than the base 4-3 the Bears were smart enough to keep us in the whole game. 

[FalconBlood23]

Who will be our corners in our nickle formations? Is it Tru, Rocky, Poole, and Goodwin? I feel like I am forgetting someone.

[Vandy]

7 hours ago, papachaz said:

really? because it seems to me he missed out on how little time our whole starting offense got together during preseason, with the swapping in and out RG position for 'competition', JJ being limited coming back from foot surgery, Gabriel missing time with injury,  Free missing time in concussion protocol..... I mean that game was probably being called ultra conservatively for way more reasons than a lot of people realize.

as for the D, I want to see that soft zone just flat out go away! We proved last year keep the pressure on A-a-ron, and he'll get mad and starting trying to body slam the cornerbacks out of bounds  

Look at Grand Papa throwing it down!

[sandtrap]

2 hours ago, falcndave said:

That is the way Quinn has coached defense for his entire career. When you play 3 deep, and the offense attacks both seems, your going to appear to look soft or you are going to stand there and watch receivers run past you. As the field gets shorter the defenses loses the ability to stretch it and the zones get more compact. The net effect is the defense appears more aggressive in the red zone. 

That said, Quinn played more man last year than ever.  He especially likes to attack 3rd downs with press coverage and/or blitzes. What we need in situations like the 4 minute drive last week is more consistent pressure from our front 4. They are going to get it done, or the QB is going to pick at the zone defense. 

Last year in the playoffs the Packers were all nicked up and we were able to play zone quite a bit. We need to remember they didn't have Cobb for either game. That is significant. With all of the weapons out there, expect a frustrating amount of zone next week. That said, our nickle is likely to be our base next week, and we will get more consistent pressure out of that personnel group than the base 4-3 the Bears were smart enough to keep us in the whole game. 

This. Thank you. Our front 4 need to generate more pressure to increase our zones probability of success. I know we got 4 sacks. Great. The issue is we need to get consistent pressure even if it doesn't result in sacks. Hurries are great because it allows our lbs and dbs a chance to rally quickly instead of sitting in a zone for too long and allowing recievers and the qb to find the soft spots. I trust Q knows this. That's why we have a strong rotation on the line. We need to generate pressure without blitzing. If we can do that, our situational blitzes will be that much more effective. I love seeing Campbell blitz with a DE dropping back. Still only 4 going but a different 4.

[papachaz]

7 hours ago, Knight of God said:

You keep saying you don't know that much about football...I smell some bull.

LOL seriously, I don't. what little I do, I've learned here from reading you guys who do. I mean I know what I see, SOMETIMES, but I don't know the X & O of it, what a lot of the terms are and how to look at a play and say 'he did this because that guy did that' kind of thing. but some of it,  although not really welcome here, is just common sense   I never played any organized football at all

 I was always too small and baseball was my sport growing up because I was fast as heck and could throw farther than just about everyone else my age/size.....

I didn't know that could be translated to football, I didn't know they could build me up. No one ever worked with me in any of that. Only reason I got into baseball was because we lived close to the little league field and I realized one day there were some kids down there playing, grabbed my glove and went

[Hashbrown3]

Beasley will probably shaddow Arod.  

Takk will see more snaps.  Wow would it be nice to see him get his first sack on the man.

We must get some interior pressure and make Rogers hear footsteps.

I'm thankful we took a W last week.  We avoided being put in the awful position the Saints are in as they face NE & a potential 0-2 start.

If we manage to put the Packers down, we would be on top of the world going into week 3.

[Intellectually Honest]

This is going to be a better team that the Falcons played in the playoffs simply because they are healthy.

[Intellectually Honest]

11 hours ago, Tim Mazetti said:

See. 2016 NFC Championship game. 

Yes, Pack were injured. So?

Falcons gotta use their world class offense.

Then all is good.

Falcons had a world class offense last year. They haven't shown it is world class this year yet. It might be. it might not.

[RichardCNile]

Packers are gonna look at what happened last year, but also what we did last week.  

We got pressure on them and on the Bears.  The likely scenario is for them to throw more quick passes, screens and play action to negate our rush.  Also, we kept A-Aron in the pocket. I wouldn't be surprised to see some pocket movement/roll outs.  Also, when they want to go deep, keep extra man in for protection.  The Bears actually did really well against our blitz when we sent 5 guys.  

With that in mind expect our D to keep the over cover on people and give up the under, choosing to come up and tackle and make them work down the field.  Hopefully we can get to the QB and punish the wr's, but it will could be a long game of them working down the field and us hopefully making some plays here and there to stop them for a FG or punt.  

I didn't see them play Sunday, so I don't have any perspective on their Defense so far this year.  That said, based on what we put on film last week, I would expect them to attack our RG relentlessly.  Both times Ryan was sacked it was due to Wet Swisscheese.  Hopefully he will get it dialed in this week.  I will also say he did a better job in the 2nd half of week 1.  

I would expect we can get some runs on them and as previously, I think they will have problems containing our WR's and TE's.  

Hopefully Sark will create a gameplan that will run the packers D until their tongues are hanging out.  Lots of sideline to sideline stuff and crossing route stuff so their D is gassed by the 4th qtr and we can bust some big plays.  

[JDaveG]

10 hours ago, papachaz said:

really? because it seems to me he missed out on how little time our whole starting offense got together during preseason, with the swapping in and out RG position for 'competition', JJ being limited coming back from foot surgery, Gabriel missing time with injury,  Free missing time in concussion protocol..... I mean that game was probably being called ultra conservatively for way more reasons than a lot of people realize.

as for the D, I want to see that soft zone just flat out go away! We proved last year keep the pressure on A-a-ron, and he'll get mad and starting trying to body slam the cornerbacks out of bounds  

I didn't see a lot of "soft" zone.  We played press a lot.  The problems we had in zone were simple -- they attacked where the cover 3 is soft.

I may be misremembering, so I'll leave it to one of our resident Xs and Os experts to break it down, but I don't think we played soft, we just got attacked in the middle of the field and especially in the flats where the 3 deep/4 under looks are naturally soft.  We also didn't protect the sidelines on that last drive, but again, that doesn't mean we were playing soft.  

[JDaveG]

6 minutes ago, RichardCNile said:

Packers are gonna look at what happened last year, but also what we did last week.  

We got pressure on them and on the Bears.  The likely scenario is for them to throw more quick passes, screens and play action to negate our rush.  Also, we kept A-Aron in the pocket. I wouldn't be surprised to see some pocket movement/roll outs.  Also, when they want to go deep, keep extra man in for protection.  The Bears actually did really well against our blitz when we sent 5 guys.  

With that in mind expect our D to keep the over cover on people and give up the under, choosing to come up and tackle and make them work down the field.  Hopefully we can get to the QB and punish the wr's, but it will could be a long game of them working down the field and us hopefully making some plays here and there to stop them for a FG or punt.  

I didn't see them play Sunday, so I don't have any perspective on their Defense so far this year.  That said, based on what we put on film last week, I would expect them to attack our RG relentlessly.  Both times Ryan was sacked it was due to Wet Swisscheese.  Hopefully he will get it dialed in this week.  I will also say he did a better job in the 2nd half of week 1.  

I would expect we can get some runs on them and as previously, I think they will have problems containing our WR's and TE's.  

Hopefully Sark will create a gameplan that will run the packers D until their tongues are hanging out.  Lots of sideline to sideline stuff and crossing route stuff so their D is gassed by the 4th qtr and we can bust some big plays.  

Look for screens too, given how bad some of our run fits were.

[FentayeJones]

36 minutes ago, Intellectually Honest said:

This is going to be a better team that the Falcons played in the playoffs simply because they are healthy.

So? We had a lot of players injured for that game too. We did not have Clayborn, Trufant, Tamme, Shelby, Ishmael etc. Julio played with turf toe and Hooper was coming off of an MCL sprain. Folks act like we didn't have injuries to key people. Neither team was completely healthy.

Neither did we have Poe, Takk or Crawford on the team at the time.

[Mr.11]

6 hours ago, LightningDawg58 said:

This^^^

if there is one thing I dislike about us is that we are going to force that dang soft zone coverage especially when protecting a lead late in games. 

We gave up a TON of garbage points and yards last year, and on Sunday after we kept them in check all game we backed off again and let them drive up the field on us twice in the 4th quarter.

If they hold on to the ball at the end they would have 14 points against us in the 4th versus just 10 points over the first 3 quarters.

I know Quinns DNA is the cover 3 zone but the coaches HAVE to see and recognize that our team's natural strengths are in man coverage.

Matter of fact I know they do because on the very last play we went man with the game on the line and came up big. 

All I know is I can't take another season of watching teams drive on us late in games because we start backing off with the lead. I can't remember the last time we got beat deep over the top (maybe Seattle in playoffs) but I have nightmares still about Brady dinking and dunking his way down the field and not being able to do anything about it. 

 

 

I'm pretty sure the defense was in zone coverage when Rocky got a pick-6 on Brady in the Super Bowl.