MasterBateser Posted August 21, 2017 Share Posted August 21, 2017 8 minutes ago, Vandy said: Those ups and downs indicate It's more of an emotional maturity issue than a physical talent issue. He has more physical talent than any QB out there. But mentally he's just not there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SamMills51 Posted August 21, 2017 Share Posted August 21, 2017 1 hour ago, jdawg4876 said: hey sam I went back and watched a lot of the titans game and you were not blowing smoke your o line is a lot better than I though it would be. everyone talking about the young man McCaffrey for good reason but the blocking was more impressive to me good lanes opened up for him. I think this may honestly be our best starting o-line unit when healthy. And the amazing thing is, we have solid depth for every position now. Matt Kalil looking very athletic and good as well. I like where this team is headed. When Cam's in the mix, everyone better watch out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
abcranford2 Posted August 21, 2017 Share Posted August 21, 2017 2 hours ago, Yo_Lover said: You guys have a point. When Cam's confidence is high he is insane. I mean to the point where if he was on a well built team like us or the Patriots he'd be MVP, SuperBowl champion, and **** maybe even take them to 19-0. But when his confidence is down he's outside the top 15 QB's. And his confidence or ego or whatever you want to call it seems to be fragile. The whole superman celebration one second, towel over head the next second. Where as Matt is considered even keel. Never too high, never too low. Cam is either too high to the point of obnoxious, or too low to the point of sulking. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
abcranford2 Posted August 21, 2017 Share Posted August 21, 2017 27 minutes ago, SamMills51 said: I think this may honestly be our best starting o-line unit when healthy. And the amazing thing is, we have solid depth for every position now. Matt Kalil looking very athletic and good as well. I like where this team is headed. When Cam's in the mix, everyone better watch out. The one thing I don't understand is why so many 30+ year olds. With a couple way over 30... Looks like a Mike Smith roster. What's the contingency plan moving forward? And how do you expect to keep them all healthy through an entire season? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GTBF54 Posted August 21, 2017 Share Posted August 21, 2017 On 8/20/2017 at 0:20 PM, Vandy said: Your homerism aside, I believe you are being delusional if you truly think two meaningless preseason games proves much of anything for your team's crappy OL... ............ Truth hurts................ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SamMills51 Posted August 22, 2017 Share Posted August 22, 2017 @Vandy Fair enough, but I mean the fact there has been no recorded pressure the whole time they're in against some of the better defenses with starters in the NFL (i.e. Texans; Titans, who are one of the top in rushing defense) is pretty promising. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SamMills51 Posted August 22, 2017 Share Posted August 22, 2017 3 hours ago, abcranford2 said: The one thing I don't understand is why so many 30+ year olds. With a couple way over 30... Looks like a Mike Smith roster. What's the contingency plan moving forward? And how do you expect to keep them all healthy through an entire season? The "so many 30+ year olds" is an overstatement. Most of our o-line is actually young, and Larsen looks just as good as any center in the NFL when Ryan Kalil retires. Our WRs are also young, and our secondary (aside mike adams) is young. Our LB core is also young, along with our DTs. Only guys who are up in age are the DE group, but right now we already have Daeshon Hall in the wings and will likely draft more next year. In fact, I think our overall roster in 2015 is older than our roster right now, and that team made the Superbowl. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
abcranford2 Posted August 22, 2017 Share Posted August 22, 2017 38 minutes ago, SamMills51 said: The "so many 30+ year olds" is an overstatement. Most of our o-line is actually young, and Larsen looks just as good as any center in the NFL when Ryan Kalil retires. Our WRs are also young, and our secondary (aside mike adams) is young. Our LB core is also young, along with our DTs. Only guys who are up in age are the DE group, but right now we already have Daeshon Hall in the wings and will likely draft more next year. In fact, I think our overall roster in 2015 is older than our roster right now, and that team made the Superbowl. In the next year or two y'all need another rb, te, fs, lb, 2 or 3 de's, another db... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vandy Posted August 22, 2017 Share Posted August 22, 2017 9 hours ago, SamMills51 said: @Vandy Fair enough, but I mean the fact there has been no recorded pressure the whole time they're in against some of the better defenses with starters in the NFL (i.e. Texans; Titans, who are one of the top in rushing defense) is pretty promising. It's preseason, pure vanilla bean kinda stuff. In a real game Texans would chew your meh OL up and spit it out! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SamMills51 Posted August 22, 2017 Share Posted August 22, 2017 43 minutes ago, abcranford2 said: In the next year or two y'all need another rb, te, fs, lb, 2 or 3 de's, another db... We just drafted McCaffrey. He can be a workhouse runningback thanks to his running style where he gets the same amount of yards as any other RB. And yes, he actually was good in short yardage too. SS is a fair point, but FS is fine. Coleman's still relatively young. Most likely will address that upcoming draft. By that time we will add 2 or 3 DEs easy. Another DB? We just drafted Corn Elder lol and still have Munnerlyn, both who can play outside. We're fine. Another LBer? Huh? We got Shaq to fill in for TD. In real games, we rarely play base anyways. Also, Jared Norris and Jeremy Cash both fill in that place nicely if need be. Another reason we have the deepest LB corps in the NFL. We're fine. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdawg4876 Posted August 22, 2017 Share Posted August 22, 2017 1 hour ago, SamMills51 said: We just drafted McCaffrey. He can be a workhouse runningback thanks to his running style where he gets the same amount of yards as any other RB. And yes, he actually was good in short yardage too. SS is a fair point, but FS is fine. Coleman's still relatively young. Most likely will address that upcoming draft. By that time we will add 2 or 3 DEs easy. Another DB? We just drafted Corn Elder lol and still have Munnerlyn, both who can play outside. We're fine. Another LBer? Huh? We got Shaq to fill in for TD. In real games, we rarely play base anyways. Also, Jared Norris and Jeremy Cash both fill in that place nicely if need be. Another reason we have the deepest LB corps in the NFL. We're fine. He seemed to get nicked up running between tackles, in college. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chifalc Posted August 22, 2017 Share Posted August 22, 2017 On 8/19/2017 at 11:25 PM, FalconFanSince1970 said: Then how did Vick go 38-28-1 on six teams that four other QBs went 9-20 on? Because they were massively sucky replacement quarterbacks trying to play on a team built around a style they couldn't emulate? Backups not being able to win with a team is not in fact an argument for the validity of QB winning percentage as a stat. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
abcranford2 Posted August 22, 2017 Share Posted August 22, 2017 6 hours ago, SamMills51 said: We just drafted McCaffrey. He can be a workhouse runningback thanks to his running style where he gets the same amount of yards as any other RB. And yes, he actually was good in short yardage too. SS is a fair point, but FS is fine. Coleman's still relatively young. Most likely will address that upcoming draft. By that time we will add 2 or 3 DEs easy. Another DB? We just drafted Corn Elder lol and still have Munnerlyn, both who can play outside. We're fine. Another LBer? Huh? We got Shaq to fill in for TD. In real games, we rarely play base anyways. Also, Jared Norris and Jeremy Cash both fill in that place nicely if need be. Another reason we have the deepest LB corps in the NFL. We're fine. You're right, I meant strong safety. Y'all will still need a lead back to pair with McCaffrey once J Stew leaves. Shaq has been underwhelming so far, and Cash straight sucks. So once Davis leaves you're looking at a significant drop off the way things stand right now. Y'all can easily find 2-3 De's? Yet y'all had to bring Peppers and Johnson back this year? Y'all will be lucky to hit on one De in the next draft You still need to draft Olsen's replacement.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SamMills51 Posted August 22, 2017 Share Posted August 22, 2017 1 hour ago, abcranford2 said: Shaq has been underwhelming so far, and Cash straight sucks. So once Davis leaves you're looking at a significant drop off the way things stand right now. Huh? Lol you clearly don't know what you're talking about here. Shaq is actually better than TD at this point, and that says more to Shaq's skill than not. Plenty of Panther fans know Shaq is legit. Cash is also good. So is Mayo and Norris, our other backups. So yeah, we're completely fine. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SamMills51 Posted August 22, 2017 Share Posted August 22, 2017 6 hours ago, jdawg4876 said: He seemed to get nicked up running between tackles, in college. Well all his big runs in preseason have been between the tackles, so obviously that statement is false. And film and stats does not back that up either, as he actually was one of the more productive runners inside. In fact, he was better than Cook and Fournette: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
abcranford2 Posted August 22, 2017 Share Posted August 22, 2017 2 minutes ago, SamMills51 said: Well all his big runs in preseason have been between the tackles, so obviously that statement is false. And film and stats does not back that up either, as he actually was one of the more productive runners inside. In fact, he was better than Cook and Fournette: nobody is saying he can't run between the tackles...doing it on a full load for a full season is another story. Especially with 16 game seasons now, not many rbs can...and the ones that do, don't usually last very long. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
abcranford2 Posted August 22, 2017 Share Posted August 22, 2017 8 minutes ago, SamMills51 said: Huh? Lol you clearly don't know what you're talking about here. Shaq is actually better than TD at this point, and that says more to Shaq's skill than not. Plenty of Panther fans know Shaq is legit. Cash is also good. So is Mayo and Norris, our other backups. So yeah, we're completely fine. plenty of Panthers fans also think Cam can be successful as a pocket qb....I'll just say that I haven't even noticed him on the field yet when we have played yall. I know he's been out there, he's just been unnoticeable. I say this because Thomas Davis is a guy who has consistently been a nightmare for us his entire career. Especially his ability to time a blitz. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SamMills51 Posted August 22, 2017 Share Posted August 22, 2017 18 minutes ago, abcranford2 said: nobody is saying he can't run between the tackles...doing it on a full load for a full season is another story. Especially with 16 game seasons now, not many rbs can...and the ones that do, don't usually last very long. Well I mean he had more of a workload than any college RB during his tenure at Stanford. I think he will be fine. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
abcranford2 Posted August 22, 2017 Share Posted August 22, 2017 7 minutes ago, SamMills51 said: Well I mean he had more of a workload than any college RB during his tenure at Stanford. I think he will be fine. Yes, he doubled as a receiver and was an efficient rb. We'll see if he can carry the workload in the NFL If he avgs 20+ carries a game ill be shocked Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hotlanta Posted August 22, 2017 Share Posted August 22, 2017 (edited) 1 hour ago, SamMills51 said: Huh? Lol you clearly don't know what you're talking about here. Shaq is actually better than TD at this point, and that says more to Shaq's skill than not. Plenty of Panther fans know Shaq is legit. Cash is also good. So is Mayo and Norris, our other backups. So yeah, we're completely fine. Thompson had 56 tackles and 1 INT in 14 games... Just to put things into perspective, that's what we got out of our backup Kemal Ishmael (52 tackles) and he missed the last month of the regular season. At this point you HOPE he's better than a 34 year old, who's clearly at the tail end of his great career... Edited August 22, 2017 by hotlanta Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clark Posted August 22, 2017 Share Posted August 22, 2017 On 8/19/2017 at 4:13 PM, SamMills51 said: Did someone seriously try to argue Cousins is better than Cam? Cousins with one of the best supporting offensive casts in the NFL who couldn't even take them to the playoffs? Yeah I'll take Cam who legitimately took a bunch of cast-offs to the Superbowl over Cousins. Im late to the party but I am perplexed by this statement. When exactly has Cousins had one of the best supporting casts in the NFL? You cant be serious... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
abcranford2 Posted August 22, 2017 Share Posted August 22, 2017 21 minutes ago, Clark said: Im late to the party but I am perplexed by this statement. When exactly has Cousins had one of the best supporting casts in the NFL? You cant be serious... yea...I saw that, had to let that one go. He might have an ok Tight End...that's about it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JDaveG Posted August 22, 2017 Share Posted August 22, 2017 McCaffrey is a guy whose productivity will be directly related to how they use him. If they try to square peg/round hole him as a workhorse back he'll have issues. If they use him as a weapon by moving him all over the field and creating space for him to run in he'll be great. I think most people here are underrating Cam. He's inconsistent, but when he's good he's really good. I don't see him as a liability in the pocket so much as I see him as a guy who can't handle adversity very well. There is a reason people think he's an immature pouter who folds under pressure. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MasterBateser Posted August 22, 2017 Share Posted August 22, 2017 2 hours ago, SamMills51 said: Well I mean he had more of a workload than any college RB during his tenure at Stanford. I think he will be fine. THat should worry you. That's like saying "yeah this truck I just bought has rock climbed more than the others so I bought it" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdawg4876 Posted August 22, 2017 Share Posted August 22, 2017 4 hours ago, SamMills51 said: Well all his big runs in preseason have been between the tackles, so obviously that statement is false. And film and stats does not back that up either, as he actually was one of the more productive runners inside. In fact, he was better than Cook and Fournette: this is from two different articles last yr hence my statement of he gets nicked up lol. Stanford star running back Christian McCaffrey has not played since he left his team's 42-16 loss to Washington State on Oct. 8 with an undisclosed injury. However, he's ready to make his return to the field. McCaffrey, who did not play in Stanford's 17-10 victory over Notre Dame last week while nursing an undisclosed injury, has been slowed over his last two active games, carrying the ball a combined 20 times for 84 yards with 35 receiving yards and no scores. anyway its pre season so him not be injured yet doesnt mean much to me. I do believe he will get banged up running between tackles if thats how they ft him a lot there. that should be stewarts job not his. Christian body type is reggie bush ish and reggie missed like 40 something games in his career Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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