Panthers at Titans

[falconsrus]

Cam had Steve Smith and then he didn't have Steve Smith among other things but He has bowled us over in the past. I think those days are gone 

[Wjcorner]

Also, Ryan still played better than Cam did last year, when Ryan had a TE at RT and HD as his #1 receiver...just from a passing standpoint. The whole supporting cast argument can explain why he doesn't have gaudy passing stats, not why he has trash passing stats. It's more than just that.

[TheFatboi]

7 minutes ago, Yo_Lover said:

That is the past. After Cam got the **** beat out of him against Denver (both times) he hasn't been the same.

Cam went thru the same thing Matt went thru in 2014. Injuries. Cam himself was hurt. His line was as Bad or maybe even worse than our 2014 line. I don't buy that lil bro. Benjamin out for the year so that's like us losing Julio for the year. Cam hurt with a rotator cuff sobthats like Matt having that issue. His starting back hurt so that's like Free missing significant games. His line was banged up. How do you think we would look if Matt himself was hurt but also playing without Julio all year and Free for most of the year with a line equivalent to the 2014 like we had? This ain't even a propping up Cam post cause I hope we pulverize him everytime we meet. it's just being real. 

[MasterBateser]

Just now, TheFatboi said:

Cam went thru the same thing Matt went thru in 2014. Injuries. Cam himself was hurt. His line was as Bad or maybe even worse than our 2014 line. I don't buy that lil bro. Benjamin out for the year so that's like us losing Julio for the year. Cam hurt with a rotator cuff sobthats like Matt having that issue. His starting back hurt so that's like Free missing significant games. His line was banged up. How do you think we would look if Matt himself was hurt but also playing without Julio all year and Free for most of the year with a line equivalent to the 2014 like we had? 

Matt wouldn't look good I agree but I just think Cam has lost his edge. When he's confident and on he's a straight beast. But I think he's lost that side.

[TheFatboi]

19 minutes ago, Yo_Lover said:

Matt wouldn't look good I agree but I just think Cam has lost his edge. When he's confident and on he's a straight beast. But I think he's lost that side.

They were saying the exact same thing about Matt lil bro. Including most of our fanbase. Especially on this board. They said that about Joe Montana and he takes KANSAS CITY to the AFCCG. They said that about Favre. Took minny to the ncfcg. Said that about Kurt Warner. Took ARIZONA to the SB. Said that about Doug Williams. And the list goes on and on. I never underestimate my opponent and I'm SURE Dan Quinn will never take that approach when it comes to Cam Newton. He will always tell the team that cam is dangerous and prepare as such. He will have to have 3 terrible seasons in a row while healthy and weapons all around for Quinn to believe that. 

[schwarzenegger321]

29 minutes ago, TheFatboi said:

Cam went thru the same thing Matt went thru in 2014. Injuries. Cam himself was hurt. His line was as Bad or maybe even worse than our 2014 line. I don't buy that lil bro. Benjamin out for the year so that's like us losing Julio for the year. Cam hurt with a rotator cuff sobthats like Matt having that issue. His starting back hurt so that's like Free missing significant games. His line was banged up. How do you think we would look if Matt himself was hurt but also playing without Julio all year and Free for most of the year with a line equivalent to the 2014 like we had? This ain't even a propping up Cam post cause I hope we pulverize him everytime we meet. it's just being real. 

That's not really accurate.  Cam is not a good passer and has to rely on running.  He got hurt because it's what he has to do to be successful.  Cams time is over, he won't be able to run like he use to and isn't going to get any better as a passer or a leader.

[Vandy]

45 minutes ago, TheFatboi said:

Cam went thru the same thing Matt went thru in 2014. Injuries. Cam himself was hurt. His line was as Bad or maybe even worse than our 2014 line. I don't buy that lil bro. Benjamin out for the year so that's like us losing Julio for the year. Cam hurt with a rotator cuff sobthats like Matt having that issue. His starting back hurt so that's like Free missing significant games. His line was banged up. How do you think we would look if Matt himself was hurt but also playing without Julio all year and Free for most of the year with a line equivalent to the 2014 like we had? This ain't even a propping up Cam post cause I hope we pulverize him everytime we meet. it's just being real. 

This is true, matt definetely had to get his head clear. The thing is, he did that by putting in The work during that offseason...I'm not sure Cam has done that. (Not sure he hasnt either)..

if Cam puts in the work he will be back to being a force...

[TheFatboi]

36 minutes ago, Vandy said:

This is true, matt definetely had to get his head clear. The thing is, he did that by putting in The work during that offseason...I'm not sure Cam has done that. (Not sure he hasnt either)..

if Cam puts in the work he will be back to being a force...

I can't speak for his work ethic but I know he lead his team to a SB and an MVP year and came back the next year and he and his team sustained significant injuries to some key players. That player from 2015 is still in there. If he worked like he worked in the offseason leading up to that MVP season then the panthers will be a problem again. To ME? I think we have the best division in football. All the teams in our division have qb's that can hurt you. 3 of the teams in our division have good defenses. All have dangerous offenses.  

[TheFatboi]

1 hour ago, schwarzenegger321 said:

That's not really accurate.  Cam is not a good passer and has to rely on running.  He got hurt because it's what he has to do to be successful.  Cams time is over, he won't be able to run like he use to and isn't going to get any better as a passer or a leader.

He's not a good passer but he threw for 35 TD's and only 10 int's. And many of them were bombs. He did not rely on running to throw 35 td's. He RAN for 10. That's 45 td's from the qb. When Cam has his weapons working he will carve up a defense just as any decent qb will. He may not be as accurate as accurate as Matt but AGAIN, I've seen him and you have too, light us up. And 2015 is not the only time he's done it. We BARELY beat them in 2012 when Matt threw  a bomb to roddy from the end zone. They were winking that game and Cam was carving us up. Y'all gotta stop acting like Cam can't pass the ball. He's not as good with short passes but he's deadly with deep passes when he has a guy that can fly. Cam's only real issue to me is he tries to make a play EVERY play and it gets him in trouble sometimes. I haven't seen evidence that he's done yet. I only saw an injury plagued year for him AND his team. That's it. 

[SamMills51]

49 minutes ago, TheFatboi said:

He's not a good passer but he threw for 35 TD's and only 10 int's. And many of them were bombs. He did not rely on running to throw 35 td's. He RAN for 10. That's 45 td's from the qb. When Cam has his weapons working he will carve up a defense just as any decent qb will. He may not be as accurate as accurate as Matt but AGAIN, I've seen him and you have too, light us up. And 2015 is not the only time he's done it. We BARELY beat them in 2012 when Matt threw  a bomb to roddy from the end zone. They were winking that game and Cam was carving us up. Y'all gotta stop acting like Cam can't pass the ball. He's not as good with short passes but he's deadly with deep passes when he has a guy that can fly. Cam's only real issue to me is he tries to make a play EVERY play and it gets him in trouble sometimes. I haven't seen evidence that he's done yet. I only saw an injury plagued year for him AND his team. That's it. 

Realest post on this board. 

Most of you guys are kidding yourselves if you think Cam's anywhere near done. You don't win near unanimous MVP by accident. He's always been one of the better QBs in the NFL.

[SamMills51]

1 hour ago, Vandy said:

This is true, matt definetely had to get his head clear. The thing is, he did that by putting in The work during that offseason...I'm not sure Cam has done that. (Not sure he hasnt either)..

if Cam puts in the work he will be back to being a force...

Well during training camp, he's been working on footwork drills and touch passes all the time. That might actually be a scarier proposition for the NFL, because a healthy Cam Newton with good mechanics will go far.

Over the off-season, he's been working extensively with trainers and worked to make himself more lean and faster. He also had this whole week where he went with a bunch of his receivers to Baltimore to throw to them in the mountains and work on routes.

He's been putting in work the whole time. I have no doubt in my mind he's ready to feast beginning week 1.

[JD dirtybird21]

3 minutes ago, SamMills51 said:

Realest post on this board. 

Most of you guys are kidding yourselves if you think Cam's anywhere near done. You don't win near unanimous MVP by accident. He's always been one of the better QBs in the NFL.

I think your coach just needs to let Cam be Cam and he can be a lot closer to that that 2015 form. Keeping him locked up in the pocket is not playing to his strengths. It's playing to his weaknesses 

Edited August 20, 2017 by JD dirtybird21

[SamMills51]

Just now, JD dirtybird21 said:

I think your coach just needs to let Cam be Cam and he can be a lot closer to that that 2015 form. Keeping locked up in the pocket is not playing to his strengths. It's playing to his weaknesses 

Not all all. Cam Newton was known for having exceptional pocket presence his rookie year, and that hasn't changed one bit. What's not playing to his strengths is having receivers who can't separate

From Matt Waldman's Rookie Scouting Portfolio & perfect example of pocket presence:

And a few things to highlight from last year:

Stays completely aware of what's going around him in the pocket. Manipulates the defenders while moving up. He steps up and delivers a strike downfield and doesn't panic.

Right here. Under pressure, Cam Newton stays poised and looks for his open receiver. Unlike popular opinion, Cam Newton rarely scrambles. He's a pocket passer and plays just like one. This isn't easy.

So yes, Cam Newton playing in the pocket is playing to his strengths. 

 

[schwarzenegger321]

1 hour ago, TheFatboi said:

He's not a good passer but he threw for 35 TD's and only 10 int's. And many of them were bombs. He did not rely on running to throw 35 td's. He RAN for 10. That's 45 td's from the qb. When Cam has his weapons working he will carve up a defense just as any decent qb will. He may not be as accurate as accurate as Matt but AGAIN, I've seen him and you have too, light us up. And 2015 is not the only time he's done it. We BARELY beat them in 2012 when Matt threw  a bomb to roddy from the end zone. They were winking that game and Cam was carving us up. Y'all gotta stop acting like Cam can't pass the ball. He's not as good with short passes but he's deadly with deep passes when he has a guy that can fly. Cam's only real issue to me is he tries to make a play EVERY play and it gets him in trouble sometimes. I haven't seen evidence that he's done yet. I only saw an injury plagued year for him AND his team. That's it. 

Cam is a career sub 60% passer.  That is bad.  He has now had two major injuries including his throwing shoulder and a knee.  His completion percentage will only drop more because the threat of him running every play is not there anymore.

[JD dirtybird21]

1 hour ago, SamMills51 said:

Not all all. Cam Newton was known for having exceptional pocket presence his rookie year, and that hasn't changed one bit. What's not playing to his strengths is having receivers who can't separate

From Matt Waldman's Rookie Scouting Portfolio & perfect example of pocket presence:

And a few things to highlight from last year:

Stays completely aware of what's going around him in the pocket. Manipulates the defenders while moving up. He steps up and delivers a strike downfield and doesn't panic.

Right here. Under pressure, Cam Newton stays poised and looks for his open receiver. Unlike popular opinion, Cam Newton rarely scrambles. He's a pocket passer and plays just like one. This isn't easy.

So yes, Cam Newton playing in the pocket is playing to his strengths. 

 

Stop making excuses for Cam. It's not a lack of weapons. A great pocket passer will get guys the ball. It's the not the other way around. Cam isn't a good passer. His throws often lack touch. He's a playmaker and is most dangerous when he gets out of the pocket. Cams pocket presence is pretty good to your point. But having him be a pocket passing QB is playing to his weakness. He's not a pocket passer and he never will be. He's a playmaker 

[TheFatboi]

6 minutes ago, JD dirtybird21 said:

Stop making excuses for Cam. It's not a lack of weapons. A great pocket passer will get guys the ball. It's the not the other way around. Cam isn't a good passer. His throws often lack touch. He's a playmaker and is most dangerous when he gets out of the pocket. Cams pocket presence is pretty good to your point. But having him be a pocket passing QB is playing to his weakness. He's not a pocket passer and he never will be. He's a playmaker 

Not true. Matt couldn't get guys the ball in 2014 when his weapons were old or injured. As for getting outside the pocket Aaron Rodgers is most dangerous when he gets outside the pocket. That's how we were able to beat them in the second half of the 1st game by switching to man and having Beasley keep him in the pocket. Same in the playoffs.

 

Big Ben is most dangerous outside the pocket, Steve Young was most dangerous outside the pocket, Russell Wilson is most dangerous outside the pocket and they're all in systems DESIGNED to get the qb outside the pocket. Matt Ryan got EXTREMELY dangerous now that he gets outside the pocket in this system. There are qb's that are most dangerous outside the pocket and contrary to popular belief the best way to beat them is keeping them IN the pocket. Ala Aaron Rodgers.

 

Keeping him IN the pocket gives you your best shot to beat him. Ask Dallas how letting him get outside the pocket cost them hosting the NFCCG last season. Getting outside the pocket means you're extending plays that weren't there. Cam and Big Ben are two big qb's that are good at extending plays by getting outside the pocket.

 

Y'all can keep telling yourselves he can't pass but he's carved us up before the MVP season.  He is a playmaker but that's also what Aaron Rodgers and Big Ben are as well. Playmakers. They get outside the pocket and make plays that the average qb can't make because of immobility or bad pocket presence. 

[JD dirtybird21]

4 minutes ago, TheFatboi said:

Not true. Matt couldn't get guys the ball in 2014 when his weapons were old or injured. As for getting outside the pocket Aaron Rodgers is most dangerous when he gets outside the pocket. That's how we were able to beat them in the second half of the 1st game by switching to man and having Beasley keep him in the pocket. Same in the playoffs.

 

Big Ben is most dangerous outside the pocket, Steve Young was most dangerous outside the pocket, Russell Wilson is most dangerous outside the pocket and they're all in systems DESIGNED to get the qb outside the pocket. Matt Ryan got EXTREMELY dangerous now that he gets outside the pocket in this system. There are qb's that are most dangerous outside the pocket and contrary to popular belief the best way to beat them is keeping them IN the pocket. Ala Aaron Rodgers.

 

Keeping him IN the pocket gives you your best shot to beat him. Ask Dallas how letting him get outside the pocket cost them hosting the NFCCG last season. Getting outside the pocket means you're extending plays that weren't there. Cam and Big Ben are two big qb's that are good at extending plays by getting outside the pocket.

 

Y'all can keep telling yourselves he can't pass but he's carved us up before the MVP season.  He is a playmaker but that's also what Aaron Rodgers and Big Ben are as well. Playmakers. They get outside the pocket and make plays that the average qb can't make because of immobility or bad pocket presence. 

Read my posts man. I said basically what you just said. Cam is a playmaker that is most dangerous when he's outside of the pocket...not sure what you're trying to tell me 

[OilFuturesTrader19]

On 19/08/2017 at 11:28 PM, Macknsweetjones said:

Sportsmanship is trash like who gives a **** about that..I wouldn't care if anyone on the Falcons showed an ounce of sportsmanship ...winning or losing ...put that trash right in the same garbage as the participation trophies 

The guy needs to be a professional. It's not trash. He needs to act like a man, not a baby!

[abcranford2]

12 hours ago, TheFatboi said:

I can't speak for his work ethic but I know he lead his team to a SB and an MVP year and came back the next year and he and his team sustained significant injuries to some key players. That player from 2015 is still in there. If he worked like he worked in the offseason leading up to that MVP season then the panthers will be a problem again. To ME? I think we have the best division in football. All the teams in our division have qb's that can hurt you. 3 of the teams in our division have good defenses. All have dangerous offenses.  

I think you are ignoring who Cam is.  The Panthers got off to a hot start in 2015.  A lot of that had to do with their defense.  They were winning and Cam felt invincible.  Once Cam starts feeling that way he's hard to stop. No doubt about it.

But all it takes is one loss for him to lose it.  His ego is his biggest strength and his biggest weakness.

They have an easy schedule this year so you never know.  But he's gonna have to run the ball more than he did last year...a lot more.  He's wearing down.  He doesn't like contact as much as he used to and injuries are starting to creep in.

We'll see how his body holds up, as well as his mind, over the next few years.

[Falconsfan567]

11 hours ago, abcranford2 said:

I think you are ignoring who Cam is.  The Panthers got off to a hot start in 2015.  A lot of that had to do with their defense.  They were winning and Cam felt invincible.  Once Cam starts feeling that way he's hard to stop. No doubt about it.

But all it takes is one loss for him to lose it.  His ego is his biggest strength and his biggest weakness.

They have an easy schedule this year so you never know.  But he's gonna have to run the ball more than he did last year...a lot more.  He's wearing down.  He doesn't like contact as much as he used to and injuries are starting to creep in.

We'll see how his body holds up, as well as his mind, over the next few years.

The first handful of games of 2015 Cam's play was the same as it has always been but the Panthers kept winning because of their defense. Cam then took off and that is what won him MVP.

• First 7 Games - 117/216 (54.2%), 1523 YDS (7.1), 11 TD, 8 INT, 78,1 QB Rating
• Final 9 Games - 179/279 (64.2%), 2314 YDS (8.3), 24 TD, 2 INT, 115.8 QB Rating

That is what I meant when I said the MVP race was weak that year. If Matt Ryan had posted a stretch of games like that in 2016 not only would the Falcons have not been 7-0 in those games, Ryan wouldn't have come close to winning the MVP. Those first 7 games Cam was the same as he's always been. He won the MVP thanks to those 9 great games in a roll and the Panthers defense winning those first 7 games of the season for the Panthers.

Sorry if FACTS get in the same of a good agenda.

[jdawg4876]

23 hours ago, SamMills51 said:

Realest post on this board. 

Most of you guys are kidding yourselves if you think Cam's anywhere near done. You don't win near unanimous MVP by accident. He's always been one of the better QBs in the NFL.

hey sam I went back and watched a lot of the titans game and you were not blowing smoke your o line is a lot better than I though it would be. everyone talking about the young man McCaffrey for good reason but the blocking was more impressive to me good lanes opened up for him.

[jdawg4876]

31 minutes ago, Falconsfan567 said:

The first handful of games of 2015 Cam's play was the same as it has always been but the Panthers kept winning because of their defense. Cam then took off and that is what won him MVP.

• First 7 Games - 117/216 (54.2%), 1523 YDS (7.1), 11 TD, 8 INT, 78,1 QB Rating
• Final 9 Games - 179/279 (64.2%), 2314 YDS (8.3), 24 TD, 2 INT, 115.8 QB Rating

That is what I meant when I said the MVP race was weak that year. If Matt Ryan had posted a stretch of games like that in 2016 not only would the Falcons have not been 7-0 in those games, Ryan wouldn't have come close to winning the MVP. Those first 7 games Cam was the same as he's always been. He won the MVP thanks to those 9 great games in a roll and the Panthers defense winning those first 7 games of the season for the Panthers.

Sorry if FACTS get in the same of a good agenda.

to your pt cam is an extremely hot and cold passer, when he is hot he is boling hot, and when he is cold you might get frostbite. winston is the same way

[Vandy]

1 minute ago, jdawg4876 said:

to your pt cam is an extremely hot and cold passer, when he is hot he is boling hot, and when he is cold you might get frostbite. winston is the same way

Rodgers is kinda that way, although not to their extremes of cold.

[MasterBateser]

You guys have a point. When Cam's confidence is high he is insane. I mean to the point where if he was on a well built team like us or the Patriots he'd be MVP, SuperBowl champion, and **** maybe even take them to 19-0. But when his confidence is down he's outside the top 15 QB's.

[Vandy]

6 minutes ago, Yo_Lover said:

You guys have a point. When Cam's confidence is high he is insane. I mean to the point where if he was on a well built team like us or the Patriots he'd be MVP, SuperBowl champion, and **** maybe even take them to 19-0. But when his confidence is down he's outside the top 15 QB's.

Those ups and downs indicate It's more of an emotional maturity issue than a physical talent issue.