Panthers at Titans

[Sidecar Falcon]

31 minutes ago, abcranford2 said:

Do you think that holds true the older Cam gets?  How long will that last?  Seems like it's already starting to fade. 

He still has the physical talent.  But mentally he doesn't want to be physical anymore.  He's sliding earlier, he's throwing the ball away on plays he used to run on.  He's handing the ball off on option plays instead of keeping it.  Seems even the coaches are calling less qb runs.

I think Cam is in a system that doesn't help him grow as a QB. Past player acquisitions seemed to be based around size (Benjamin, Funchess) rather than route running. I think if utilized properly Cam can have a career as long as Big Ben. 

Edited August 20, 2017 by Sidecar Falcon

[jdawg4876]

14 minutes ago, abcranford2 said:

Cam throws to open players.  He doesn't make the read before it happens.  He's a reactionary thrower.  

Not really true only player that consistently gets open is Greg Olsen 

[TheFatboi]

12 minutes ago, jdawg4876 said:

Not really true only player that consistently gets open is Greg Olsen 

#Facts If Cam had our weapons or the bucs weapons they'd be scary along with that defense. 

[trey10]

I would put Cam at 8th or 9th best when he healthy 

[trey10]

True he may not be as accurate as others but his athleticsm and way to use his feet cannot be denied. Definitely a dangerous player.

[abcranford2]

51 minutes ago, jdawg4876 said:

Not really true only player that consistently gets open is Greg Olsen 

He's had Ginn, and Benjamin is always open..even when he's not

[SamMills51]

18 minutes ago, abcranford2 said:

He's had Ginn, and Benjamin is always open..even when he's not

Huh? Ginn drops passes like there's no tomorrow. Benjamin can't beat press and doesn't play big. 

 

[MasterBateser]

28 minutes ago, SamMills51 said:

Huh? Ginn drops passes like there's no tomorrow. Benjamin can't beat press and doesn't play big. 

 

Bruh when Benjamin came in fat you were saying he'd be fine and he'll be a threat. Then you posted gifs of him getting open at TC. Which is it? 

[abcranford2]

32 minutes ago, SamMills51 said:

Huh? Ginn drops passes like there's no tomorrow. Benjamin can't beat press and doesn't play big. 

 

Never said he could catch, just that's he's good at running straight down the field, which is cams favorite route.

[FalconFanSince1970]

5 hours ago, Yo_Lover said:

So these QB's all played on the exact same teams as Vick??

What teams were these??

The 2001-2006 Atlanta Football Falcons. Look it up son.

[Sidecar Falcon]

4 hours ago, FalconFanSince1970 said:

The 2001-2006 Atlanta Football Falcons. Look it up son.

That's because they built the team around Vick. When you use a single player as a foundation for a franchise, and then that player is no longer there, of course you're going to struggle. That's the nature of the beast. That's why we went away from that system. Vick was a terrible QB, with terrible work ethic, and gifted athletic ability. Notice how Roddy flourished under a QB that could actually make reads, and that was Chris Redman. And for all his "winning", Vick still wasn't able to lead his team to any sort of reputable winning percentage  

 

 

 

Edited August 20, 2017 by Sidecar Falcon

[FalconFanSince1969]

9 hours ago, TheFatboi said:

#Facts If Cam had our weapons or the bucs weapons they'd be scary along with that defense. 

If a team had our weapons and that defense you could throw Trent Dilfer out at QB and they'd be scary. Not really saying much.

[Wardog357]

18 hours ago, Falconsfan567 said:

There goes McCaffery into the end zone. Good TD run. I hate that the Panthers ended up with such a good weapon. Don't understand why so many here think that he's overrated.

Yeah I hated him going to the Panties. He will be very good unless he gets injured. Smart, fast, great vision.......just give him a crease and he'll make things happen.

[Wardog357]

10 hours ago, abcranford2 said:

Do you think that holds true the older Cam gets?  How long will that last?  Seems like it's already starting to fade. 

He still has the physical talent.  But mentally he doesn't want to be physical anymore.  He's sliding earlier, he's throwing the ball away on plays he used to run on.  He's handing the ball off on option plays instead of keeping it.  Seems even the coaches are calling less qb runs.

He's doing that because he was getting killed and it was visibly affecting his game. Which it should.....these guys hit and won't let a QB consistently run without paying the price.

[SamMills51]

Well anyways, you're delusional if you don't think Cam will be rebounding this year and this offense will only be better. So far, the starting offensive line hasn't allowed a single pressure in preseason while McCaffrey is tearing things up. Reminder Samuel and Cam aren't even in yet, and they should be ready to go for Thursday.

Offense will be hard to handle no matter how you look at it, homerism aside.

[Falconsfan567]

15 hours ago, Falconsfan567 said:

Is Cam Newton one of the 10 best playmakers at the QB position? Absolutely, heck he's borderline top 5.

But Cam Newton is not one of the 10 best passers in the NFL and when I evaluate QBs on their abilities I do based on their passing skills and abilities. Cam is not a top 10 passer in the NFL. I mentioned Blake Bortles for a reason, that with the way the game is played today, even an average to bad passer can throw up a lot of TD passes in a season. There's not a single person here that would claim that Bortles is a top 10 QB in the NFL but even he had a season with 35 TD passes.

Also, I've been watching Cam play a lot longer and a lot closer than most folks here. I'm a Cam Newton fan and hate that he plays for a team in the Falcons division because I can't root for him.

Cam has a great arm and has the ability to be an elite passer, but his footwork is awful and it causes his accuracy to suffer big time because of it. If he could ever make himself use proper footwork and improve his accuracy he'd easily be the most dangerous player in the NFL. But the fact is that only 1 year out of 5 has he been that guy, and even for that year it was only for about half the season.

That's not hate, it's me giving an honest and fair assessment.

I just love the way this message board works. Yesterday everyone and their momma disagreed with my assessment of Cam but then I make this post and not a single person responded to it. I guess when you nail a post that's 100% truthful and accurate then you can't respond to it.

[PokerSteve]

19 hours ago, HEIST said:

Cam is nowhere near losing his job. 

Outstanding! That's certainly good news!! Rock on!!!

[Vandy]

45 minutes ago, Falconsfan567 said:

I just love the way this message board works. Yesterday everyone and their momma disagreed with my assessment of Cam but then I make this post and not a single person responded to it. I guess when you nail a post that's 100% truthful and accurate then you can't respond to it.

I thought it was a great point...which is why everyone has been dancing around it. 

What I have a problem with is folks (FF70) comparing Cam's impact in games  to Vick's. Similar skill sets, but Vick in his prime carried falcons on his back with a mediocre overall team, while Cam although very talented individually has never had to carry a team to that same extent, as he's benefited from having a Top 5 talent on defense. 

Vick was more of a game-changer opponents had to modify their game  plan strategies for than Cam has been to this point.

[Vandy]

1 hour ago, SamMills51 said:

Well anyways, you're delusional if you don't think Cam will be rebounding this year and this offense will only be better. So far, the starting offensive line hasn't allowed a single pressure in preseason while McCaffrey is tearing things up. Reminder Samuel and Cam aren't even in yet, and they should be ready to go for Thursday.

Offense will be hard to handle no matter how you look at it, homerism aside.

Your homerism aside, I believe you are being delusional if you truly think two meaningless preseason games proves much of anything for your team's crappy OL...

 

[PokerSteve]

18 hours ago, TheFatboi said:

He's already been a top 10 qb in the NFL. And even if his completion % was below 60 he still scored a lot of td's his MVP season. 35 td's thru the air with only 10 int's and 10 rushing td's for a grand total of 45 td's. 35 passing td's didn't come a day a result of running. He threw them. Only 10 were running. Steve Youngs value came from being a dual threat qb early in his career as well. Fran tarkenton is a hof'er who's value increased because he was a dual threat. Cam set rookie passing records so please can we just stop spreading untruths about Cam as a qb? I hate the panthers as much as any Falcons fan but it's not in me to lie about a player abilities. 

Oh come on, bruh. Climb down from your Ivory Tower! This is a football forum, not a scientific panel set up to accurately micro-analyze rival players' value. We all want turth and factually based analysis and articles from the so-called "experts," but ~ as Falcon fans it's our sovereign duty to belittle, nitpick, discredit and impugn every non-Falcon in the NFL.

No offense, but it's just plain fun to jerk the chain of rival fans who come in here to spout off about how good their players are ~ to go Full Skip Bayless on somebody's poor QB or whatever player some rival fans are hero-worshipping in our Falcon forum. 

 

 

 

[TheFatboi]

3 hours ago, FalconFanSince1969 said:

If a team had our weapons and that defense you could throw Trent Dilfer out at QB and they'd be scary. Not really saying much.

That's not necessarily true. Carolina has a very good defense but they dont have a historically great defense like the ravens had with Trent differ but it still said a mouth full. Cam's weapons are HUGLEY underwelming compared to our team. That's the whole point. Our guy has always been blessed with great talent like Julio, Roddy, TG, Turner, Free, Coleman, Gabriel, and so forth and it shows. When our weapons were banged up bad and old on offense we struggled offensively. Even as good as Matt is he couldn't overcome lack of adequate weapons  

 

The only constant REAL threat he's ever had is Olsen. His RB's never stay healthy and his wr's aren't on the same planet as ours. BUT he took that team of average offensive weapons to a SB while having an MVP season. Does t matter that his defense was good. HE had an MVP season and they were blowing teams out of the water. They blew us out so it's not like having Trent differ when the ravens were winning games 20-17 or 17-7. No.  The panthers were BLOWING teams out again with average offensive talent compared to what WE have. 

[abcranford2]

3 hours ago, Wardog357 said:

He's doing that because he was getting killed and it was visibly affecting his game. Which it should.....these guys hit and won't let a QB consistently run without paying the price.

That's my point.  It's only gonna get worse the older he gets.

[TheFatboi]

1 hour ago, PokerSteve said:

Oh come on, bruh. Climb down from your Ivory Tower! This is a football forum, not a scientific panel set up to accurately micro-analyze rival players' value. We all want turth and factually based analysis and articles from the so-called "experts," but ~ as Falcon fans it's our sovereign duty to belittle, nitpick, discredit and impugn every non-Falcon in the NFL.

No offense, but it's just plain fun to jerk the chain of rival fans who come in here to spout off about how good their players are ~ to go Full Skip Bayless on somebody's poor QB or whatever player some rival fans are hero-worshipping in our Falcon forum. 

 

 

 

No I get it Steve. I like f*ckin with rival fans as well but I never down play their talented players. Just can't do it. Maybe that's because I can't separate myself from a players mindset and just be a fan but I like talented players all over the league and not just ours. Even on our most hated rivals teams. 

[Wjcorner]

I don't do the top whatever lists because once you get past the top 5 ish gets muddy anyways...

 

But Cam is probably one of the scariest QBs in the league, regardless of how good of a passer he is(hint, he's better than a lot of ya give him credit for)

[MasterBateser]

12 minutes ago, TheFatboi said:

That's not necessarily true. Carolina has a very good defense but they dont have a historically great defense like the ravens had with Trent differ but it still said a mouth full. Cam's weapons are HUGLEY underwelming compared to our team. That's the whole point. Our guy has always been blessed with great talent like Julio, Roddy, TG, Turner, Free, Coleman, Gabriel, and so forth and it shows. When our weapons were banged up bad and old on offense we struggled offensively. Even as good as Matt is he couldn't overcome lack of adequate weapons  

 

The only constant REAL threat he's ever had is Olsen. His RB's never stay healthy and his wr's aren't on the same planet as ours. BUT he took that team of average offensive weapons to a SB while having an MVP season. Does t matter that his defense was good. HE had an MVP season and they were blowing teams out of the water. They blew us out so it's not like having Trent differ when the ravens were winning games 20-17 or 17-7. No.  The panthers were BLOWING teams out again with average offensive talent compared to what WE have. 

That is the past. After Cam got the **** beat out of him against Denver (both times) he hasn't been the same.