abcranford2 Posted August 19, 2017 Share Posted August 19, 2017 21 minutes ago, TheFatboi said: It would make a helluva difference if Cam was playing bro because the defense HAS. to account for Cam. Plus he's a good qb period. I hate when we play them because HE can most certainly be the difference in us losing. Yet it seems like year by year the less you have to account for him. He's no longer the young 21 year old Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vandy Posted August 19, 2017 Share Posted August 19, 2017 7 minutes ago, FalconFanSince1970 said: LAST TWO SEASONS Luck - .455 winning%, 6658 yards, 48 TDs, 34 Turnovers Mariota - .452 winning%, 6886 yards, 50 TDs, 38 Turnovers Cousins .531 winning%, 9227 yards, 63 TDs, 41 Turnovers, 1PB Newton .700 winning%, 8341 yards, 69 TDs, 32 Turnovers, 1PB, 1AP, 1MVP, 1SB Yeah I got Cam ahead of those guys. Stop hatin bro. As far as winning %, None of those other QBs had the benefit of having the Top 5 D Cam has had either. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Macknsweetjones Posted August 19, 2017 Share Posted August 19, 2017 27 minutes ago, abcranford2 said: Ryan, Brady, Brees, Rodgers, Carr, Rothlisburger, Rivers, Manning, Wilson, Cousins, Dalton, Stafford...Prescott?, Luck?, Winston?, Wentz? Dak ? Winston ? Wentz? The answer is **** no for all 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheFatboi Posted August 19, 2017 Share Posted August 19, 2017 4 minutes ago, abcranford2 said: Yet it seems like year by year the less you have to account for him. He's no longer the young 21 year old That's not true at all. His lack of weapons last year makes it easier to key on him. Benjamin hurt, rb's hurt, cam himself hurt. They were an injured team offensively last year. Like us in 2014. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FalconFanSince1970 Posted August 19, 2017 Share Posted August 19, 2017 10 minutes ago, Vandy said: As far as winning %, None of those other QBs had the benefit of having the Top 5 D Cam has had either. Yeah but look at them yards and TDs. Aint got a dam thing to do with their defenses. And what about the TD to turnover ratios? The other QBs lost a lot of games with turnovers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vandy Posted August 19, 2017 Share Posted August 19, 2017 5 minutes ago, FalconFanSince1970 said: Yeah but look at them yards and TDs. Aint got a dam thing to do with their defenses. And what about the TD to turnover ratios? The other QBs lost a lot of games with turnovers. Hey, I see cam's talent FF70....don't have to sell it to me... but the benefit of having that stout D is the bigger difference in the win % and other stats in not having to try to do too much... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FalconFanSince1969 Posted August 19, 2017 Share Posted August 19, 2017 23 minutes ago, FalconFanSince1970 said: LAST TWO SEASONS Luck - .455 winning%, 6658 yards, 48 TDs, 34 Turnovers Mariota - .452 winning%, 6886 yards, 50 TDs, 38 Turnovers Cousins .531 winning%, 9227 yards, 63 TDs, 41 Turnovers, 1PB Newton .700 winning%, 8341 yards, 69 TDs, 32 Turnovers, 1PB, 1AP, 1MVP, 1SB Yeah I got Cam ahead of those guys. Stop hatin bro. Gonna start a cherry shortage with all the cherry picking you do. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SkerFalcon8710 Posted August 19, 2017 Share Posted August 19, 2017 45 minutes ago, SamMills51 said: Oh Christ I really can't wait for the regular season. Just like CMC is making some of you guys shut for now, Cam gonna make some of your takes look like fools gold lol. Thanks cams defense lawyer. Should i be expecting papers in the mail? Cam is not top 10 qb. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PensacolaFalcon Posted August 19, 2017 Share Posted August 19, 2017 Cam is an average at best QB. Even his MVP season he completed less then 60% of his passes. Cams value comes when he is a threat to run. Problem is when he runs he gets hit and all those hits have taken a toll on him. Last year they tried to limit Cams hits buy not having him run as much (90 runs 359 yds lowest in his career) and Cam was not nearly as effective. So the Panties are caught in a catch 22 limit him running and lose games or let him run free and lose Cam. Cam is an awesome athlete and a good football player but he wont ever be a top 10 QB. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ltstorm2 Posted August 19, 2017 Share Posted August 19, 2017 I don't know where I'd rank Cam, I will say that he is certainly a franchise QB and is capable of winning games. He is without a doubt the best rushing QB in the league. It's a good thing because it makes up for his deficiency as a passer. Very Vick like in as he doesn't anticipate receivers coming open unless it's a deep pass. Out of all the TE's that have played this game, Greg Olsen is the 1st TE to have 3 consecutive 1,000-yard seasons? Olsen is a **** good TE but its more so that he is Newton's security blanket. He has the skills to beat you and that's all that matters in the NFL. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Macknsweetjones Posted August 19, 2017 Share Posted August 19, 2017 2 minutes ago, PensacolaFalcon said: Cam is an average at best QB. Even his MVP season he completed less then 60% of his passes. Cams value comes when he is a threat to run. Problem is when he runs he gets hit and all those hits have taken a toll on him. Last year they tried to limit Cams hits buy not having him run as much (90 runs 359 yds lowest in his career) and Cam was not nearly as effective. So the Panties are caught in a catch 22 limit him running and lose games or let him run free and lose Cam. Cam is an awesome athlete and a good football player but he wont ever be a top 10 QB. He plays QB so therefore he's a good a QB...he's top 10 and those guys yall sit up and try to name that's better than him are average as **** especially garbage cousins Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kaptain Krazy Posted August 19, 2017 Share Posted August 19, 2017 1 hour ago, SkerFalcon8710 said: Or... 8-8 never back to back winning seasons type player, often injured.. could go either way Sure. But "not any good"? Sorry, no. That's an asinine statement. And that's the claim i was responding to. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheFatboi Posted August 19, 2017 Share Posted August 19, 2017 33 minutes ago, PensacolaFalcon said: Cam is an average at best QB. Even his MVP season he completed less then 60% of his passes. Cams value comes when he is a threat to run. Problem is when he runs he gets hit and all those hits have taken a toll on him. Last year they tried to limit Cams hits buy not having him run as much (90 runs 359 yds lowest in his career) and Cam was not nearly as effective. So the Panties are caught in a catch 22 limit him running and lose games or let him run free and lose Cam. Cam is an awesome athlete and a good football player but he wont ever be a top 10 QB. He's already been a top 10 qb in the NFL. And even if his completion % was below 60 he still scored a lot of td's his MVP season. 35 td's thru the air with only 10 int's and 10 rushing td's for a grand total of 45 td's. 35 passing td's didn't come a day a result of running. He threw them. Only 10 were running. Steve Youngs value came from being a dual threat qb early in his career as well. Fran tarkenton is a hof'er who's value increased because he was a dual threat. Cam set rookie passing records so please can we just stop spreading untruths about Cam as a qb? I hate the panthers as much as any Falcons fan but it's not in me to lie about a player abilities. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SkerFalcon8710 Posted August 19, 2017 Share Posted August 19, 2017 1 minute ago, Kaptain Krazy said: Sure. But "not any good"? Sorry, no. That's an asinine statement. And that's the claim i was responding to. I'm just messing around, cam is a dangerous qb, I just don't think he's top10 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FalconsIn2012 Posted August 19, 2017 Share Posted August 19, 2017 A better question is to name the 10 most impactful quarterbacks. Cam will never measure up statistically..but to deny his impact would be foolish Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
likeriver Posted August 19, 2017 Share Posted August 19, 2017 (edited) 6 minutes ago, TheFatboi said: He's already been a top 10 qb in the NFL. And even if his completion % was below 60 he still scored a lot of td's his MVP season. 35 td's thru the air with only 10 int's and 10 rushing td's for a grand total of 45 td's. 35 passing td's didn't come a day a result of running. He threw them. Only 10 were running. Steve Youngs value came from being a dual threat qb early in his career as well. Fran tarkenton is a hof'er who's value increased because he was a dual threat. Our very own beloved Matt never had below 14 int's until last year himself. Cam set rookie passing records so please can we just stop spreading untruths about Cam as a qb? I hate the panthers as much as any Falcons fan but it's not in me to lie about a player abilities. Not arguing the rest of your post, but the bold is factually not true. His lowest was 9 (2010) Edited August 19, 2017 by likeriver Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LightsCameronAction Posted August 19, 2017 Share Posted August 19, 2017 Quarterback stats through their first 6 years in league history. /thread. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ezekiel 25:17 Posted August 19, 2017 Share Posted August 19, 2017 2 hours ago, Falconsfan567 said: Is anyone watching this game? OMG!!! It's only preseason Yeah... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
abcranford2 Posted August 19, 2017 Share Posted August 19, 2017 30 minutes ago, TheFatboi said: That's not true at all. His lack of weapons last year makes it easier to key on him. Benjamin hurt, rb's hurt, cam himself hurt. They were an injured team offensively last year. Like us in 2014. The older cam gets, the less physical he's gonna be. You said it yourself. He's hurt. The more hits he takes the worse it's gonna get. He doesn't like getting hit anymore. His ability to run through tackles and extend plays is what made him special. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheFatboi Posted August 19, 2017 Share Posted August 19, 2017 14 minutes ago, likeriver said: Not arguing the rest of your post, but the bold is factually not true. His lowest was 9 (2010) This is true. My mistake. I'll correct that. Forgot about 2010. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoddyWhite84 Posted August 19, 2017 Share Posted August 19, 2017 2 hours ago, Yo_Lover said: Top 10? Ryan Brady Rodgers Brees Mariota Luck Wilson Ben Carr Rivers Stafford Cousins Are all better Shall u keep going for him?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kaptain Krazy Posted August 19, 2017 Share Posted August 19, 2017 30 minutes ago, SkerFalcon8710 said: I'm just messing around, cam is a dangerous qb, I just don't think he's top10 Agreed on marginal top 10. Playing at his best, he's borderline top 7, and at his worst he's likely outside top 20. Dangerous is an apt description. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sun Tzu 7 Posted August 19, 2017 Share Posted August 19, 2017 3 hours ago, Falconsfan567 said: Cam isn't very good, so it wouldn't make that much of a difference. Also one of the turnovers was a lost fumble by one of their receivers. I'm not going to get into how good of a QB Cam is but you can't really evaluate that team fairly without him playing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr.11 Posted August 19, 2017 Share Posted August 19, 2017 2 hours ago, Falconsfan567 said: MVP is all you got? Cam won MVP because he just happened to be QB of the best regular season team of 2015. He had a great half season of 2015. Shows just how weak the race for MVP was in 2015. You just gonna throw shade on Brady, Wilson, and Palmer like that? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr.11 Posted August 19, 2017 Share Posted August 19, 2017 1 hour ago, likeriver said: Not arguing the rest of your post, but the bold is factually not true. His lowest was 9 (2010) And he had 11 his rookie season and 12 in 2011. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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