Falconsfan567 Posted August 19, 2017 Author Share Posted August 19, 2017 Just now, jdawg4876 said: not me, it will get better as we go and the line plays together more. we were changing so many pieces each drive last game it was hard to keep up. After last yr I have faith in mack. schrader, levitre, and to a lesser extent matthews. even if the rg is weak thats the one spot on the line where I we can survive it being weak at least. The starting OL is fine. It's the backups that I'm concerned about. Falcons were extremely fortunate last year to play 19 games that mattered and to start the same 5 guys all season. That never happens. Odds say that the Falcons will deal with 1 or more injuries along the OL in 2017 that will force some backups into the OL and that is where the concern comes from. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Falconsfan567 Posted August 19, 2017 Author Share Posted August 19, 2017 Just now, Macknsweetjones said: Get the **** outta here lmaoooo mariota isn't better and neither is cousins under achieving *** Look at the passing numbers. Both Mariota and Cousins have better passing numbers than Cam. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Falconsfan567 Posted August 19, 2017 Author Share Posted August 19, 2017 4 minutes ago, HEIST said: Boxscore scouting is lazy. I find Cam annoying as ****, but if we're just looking at numbers then Dak Prescott should be in your top 10. Dak only had to throw the ball 450 times in 2016. 22 QBs threw more passes than Dak last year. Way too early to crown him. Also, it's not boxscore scouting. Watch the games. If you think Cam Newton is a better passer than Marcus Mariota and Kirk Cousins you're crazy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdawg4876 Posted August 19, 2017 Share Posted August 19, 2017 Just now, Falconsfan567 said: The starting OL is fine. It's the backups that I'm concerned about. Falcons were extremely fortunate last year to play 19 games that mattered and to start the same 5 guys all season. That never happens. Odds say that the Falcons will deal with 1 or more injuries along the OL in 2017 that will force some backups into the OL and that is where the concern comes from. I dont see it. I think garland could fill in at gurad and center if need to for a couple of games. levine is one of the best blocking Tes in the game and I actually really like the signing of alex yesterday. I went and watched the browns highlights of the running the ball yesterday and dude is good at run blocking at OT Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Macknsweetjones Posted August 19, 2017 Share Posted August 19, 2017 1 minute ago, Falconsfan567 said: Look at the passing numbers. Both Mariota and Cousins have better passing numbers than Cam. And neither were MVP of a season at all ...cut the **** man lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Falconsfan567 Posted August 19, 2017 Author Share Posted August 19, 2017 Just now, Macknsweetjones said: And neither were MVP of a season at all ...cut the **** man lol MVP is all you got? Cam won MVP because he just happened to be QB of the best regular season team of 2015. He had a great half season of 2015. Shows just how weak the race for MVP was in 2015. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Macknsweetjones Posted August 19, 2017 Share Posted August 19, 2017 Just now, Falconsfan567 said: MVP is all you got? Cam won MVP because he just happened to be QB of the best regular season team of 2015. He had a great half season of 2015. Shows just how weak the race for MVP was in 2015. If the race was so weak why cousins and Marcus didn't win it or even compete in the race for it ? Because they weren't better period then or now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SamMills51 Posted August 19, 2017 Share Posted August 19, 2017 Panthers first team defense was out quick, but one thing I want to point out was the Panthers defense being in base defense against the Titans for some reason. During the first drive, the Titans easily countered by spreading us out and gashing us like they did. I know it's preseason, but that's not what should be called against that type of offense. And the result is the Titans having their way against our unit. For the Panthers offense, the o-line unit is stout. Derek Anderson hit a huge cliff in his career and showing why he's never going to even sniff a starting job. McCaffrey is legit. Nevertheless, we're certainly missing Cam on that side of the ball. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SamMills51 Posted August 19, 2017 Share Posted August 19, 2017 2 minutes ago, Falconsfan567 said: MVP is all you got? Cam won MVP because he just happened to be QB of the best regular season team of 2015. He had a great half season of 2015. Shows just how weak the race for MVP was in 2015. Um, Brady, Palmer, and Wilson were all pretty huge contenders too. It wasn't weak whatsoever. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Falconsfan567 Posted August 19, 2017 Author Share Posted August 19, 2017 Just now, SamMills51 said: Um, Brady, Palmer, and Wilson were all pretty huge contenders too. It wasn't weak whatsoever. Ok. Whatever. Cam put together a great 9 or 10 game stretch of play in 2015 which won him MVP. The rest of his time in the NFL he's only been an average passer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
abcranford2 Posted August 19, 2017 Share Posted August 19, 2017 29 minutes ago, Macknsweetjones said: Name 10 right now that's better than him. I have him right at 10. Ryan, Brady, Brees, Rodgers, Carr, Rothlisburger, Rivers, Manning, Wilson, Cousins, Dalton, Stafford...Prescott?, Luck?, Winston?, Wentz? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SamMills51 Posted August 19, 2017 Share Posted August 19, 2017 42 minutes ago, SkerFalcon8710 said: Top 10? Maybe 2 years ago. Not currently though Oh Christ I really can't wait for the regular season. Just like CMC is making some of you guys shut for now, Cam gonna make some of your takes look like fools gold lol. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caponine Posted August 19, 2017 Share Posted August 19, 2017 3 minutes ago, SamMills51 said: Panthers first team defense was out quick, but one thing I want to point out was the Panthers defense being in base defense against the Titans for some reason. During the first drive, the Titans easily countered by spreading us out and gashing us like they did. I know it's preseason, but that's not what should be called against that type of offense. And the result is the Titans having their way against our unit. For the Panthers offense, the o-line unit is stout. Derek Anderson hit a huge cliff in his career and showing why he's never going to even sniff a starting job. McCaffrey is legit. Nevertheless, we're certainly missing Cam on that side of the ball. Thats an excuse , why shouldnt it be called ?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheFatboi Posted August 19, 2017 Share Posted August 19, 2017 1 hour ago, Falconsfan567 said: Cam isn't very good, so it wouldn't make that much of a difference. Also one of the turnovers was a lost fumble by one of their receivers. It would make a helluva difference if Cam was playing bro because the defense HAS. to account for Cam. Plus he's a good qb period. I hate when we play them because HE can most certainly be the difference in us losing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jeffro2000 Posted August 19, 2017 Share Posted August 19, 2017 8 minutes ago, Falconsfan567 said: You shouldn't have any confidence in Pittsburgh beating New England. I don't think anyone even remembers the last time Pittsburgh beat New England. It's been a long time. Chiefs? Meh. Can't believe they've got like 7 prime time games this year. That's horrific. I just don't understand the talk about the Chargers. I just don't see it. I see a team that will once again feature a good offense but a horrendous defense and will struggle to win games because of it amount of pressure that falls on Rivers and him being prone to mistakes when pressured. Sadly, at least on paper, no one is on the same level of the Patriots. They've got another cake walk to the Super Bowl. Yeah, the Patriots clearly have an easy path to the SB. I don't think Tenn, Oakland, Pitt, KC, Denver can will offer much competition. You can always catch them on an off night maybe. Tennessee can play a ball control game and Denver's D can keep a game close. The Chargers can go either way, they are just a sleeper team to me. Rivers, Gordon, Henry, Gates, T. Williams, Allen, Benjamin, and maybe M. Williams is a good group. Oline? On D, they got Bosa, Ingram, Liuget, Mebane, up front. 2 very good young LBs before Perryman got injured and one of the better CB tandems in the league. Injuries and bad luck get them every year. (Lamp/Williams/Perryman already this yr) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SamMills51 Posted August 19, 2017 Share Posted August 19, 2017 Just now, caponine said: Thats an excuse , why shouldnt it be called ?? Well, simply because it produces big mismatches against teams with the personnel to spread and speed their way through. When the Titans noticed we employed base defense on every snap the first drive, they simply just spread the defense out and found open spots from the 20 to the 20. Really puts a lot of stress on the defense without a nickel or such to ease the coverage out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HEIST Posted August 19, 2017 Share Posted August 19, 2017 10 minutes ago, Falconsfan567 said: Dak only had to throw the ball 450 times in 2016. 22 QBs threw more passes than Dak last year. Way too early to crown him. Also, it's not boxscore scouting. Watch the games. If you think Cam Newton is a better passer than Marcus Mariota and Kirk Cousins you're crazy. Kirk has one of the best supporting casts in the NFL. He's that good IMO. He'll never put up a MVP caliber season like Cam did even with all of those weapons. I'm pretty high on Mariota, if he keeps balling out this year I'd probably put him up there. my top 10 would be (no order) brady ryan rodgers brees russ ben stafford newton rivers luck Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caponine Posted August 19, 2017 Share Posted August 19, 2017 5 minutes ago, SamMills51 said: Well, simply because it produces big mismatches against teams with the personnel to spread and speed their way through. When the Titans noticed we employed base defense on every snap the first drive, they simply just spread the defense out and found open spots from the 20 to the 20. Really puts a lot of stress on the defense without a nickel or such to ease the coverage out. But u cant blame tennesee for that , the point is to find mismatches and exploit them Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SamMills51 Posted August 19, 2017 Share Posted August 19, 2017 Just now, caponine said: But u cant blame tennesee for that , the point is to find mismatches and exploit them Yes, which is why I blamed our playcalling in that series. What are you trying to argue? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FalconsIn2012 Posted August 19, 2017 Share Posted August 19, 2017 (edited) 53 minutes ago, Yo_Lover said: Top 10? Ryan Brady Rodgers Brees Mariota Luck Wilson Ben Carr Rivers Stafford Cousins Are all better Cam's an anomaly: is he a top 8 quarterback? No. But as a football player, he is one of the 25 best in the world. He has tremendous impact on a game without necessarily being a great quarterback. Edited August 19, 2017 by Falconsin2012 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FalconFanSince1969 Posted August 19, 2017 Share Posted August 19, 2017 21 minutes ago, Macknsweetjones said: And neither were MVP of a season at all ...cut the **** man lol Steve Mcnair was an MVP too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SamMills51 Posted August 19, 2017 Share Posted August 19, 2017 (edited) Cam Newton broke rookie passing records, regular records, and won ROTY and MVP and has made 3 pro-bowls so far. To say he's not at least a top 10 QB without actually watching his film and seeing how he passes/his WRs / o-line not giving him any help at all is pretty laughable. Cam on a team like the Raiders with the supporting cast they built around Carr would find themselves with multiple Superbowls by now. Edited August 19, 2017 by SamMills51 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ovie_Lover Posted August 19, 2017 Share Posted August 19, 2017 27 minutes ago, Macknsweetjones said: Get the **** outta here lmaoooo mariota isn't better and neither is cousins under achieving *** Even then he's still not top 10 lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FalconFanSince1970 Posted August 19, 2017 Share Posted August 19, 2017 29 minutes ago, Falconsfan567 said: I don't hate Cam. I'm an Auburn fan and Cam Newton provided the best Auburn season I've ever seen. Also, I didn't include rushing yards and TDs because I was talking about PASSING. QBs get paid to THROW THE FOOTBALL. It's a lame excuse when people want to include rushing numbers for trying to evaluate QB performance and skill. Name 1 HOF QB that you've got to mention their run stats in order to make their case as a HOF QB? Oh wait, you don't have to. Career passing stats. Cam Newton - 1710/2928 (58.4%), 21,772 YDS (7.4), 136 TD, 78 INT, 86.1 QB Rating Kirk Cousins - 1025/1556 (65.9%), 12,113 YDS (7.8), 72 TD, 42 INT, 93.6 QB Rating Marcus Mariota - 506/821 (61.6%), 6244 YDS (7.6), 45 TD, 19 INT, 93.8 QB Rating Both Cousins and Mariota have better passing numbers than Cam. Cam can't even complete 60% of his passes and that's horrific in today's NFL. LAST TWO SEASONS Luck - .455 winning%, 6658 yards, 48 TDs, 34 Turnovers Mariota - .452 winning%, 6886 yards, 50 TDs, 38 Turnovers Cousins .531 winning%, 9227 yards, 63 TDs, 41 Turnovers, 1PB Newton .700 winning%, 8341 yards, 69 TDs, 32 Turnovers, 1PB, 1AP, 1MVP, 1SB Yeah I got Cam ahead of those guys. Stop hatin bro. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SamMills51 Posted August 19, 2017 Share Posted August 19, 2017 Did someone seriously try to argue Cousins is better than Cam? Cousins with one of the best supporting offensive casts in the NFL who couldn't even take them to the playoffs? Yeah I'll take Cam who legitimately took a bunch of cast-offs to the Superbowl over Cousins. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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