Talks of massive downtown Atlanta passenger terminal spring back to life

[The Real Tony G.]

10 hours ago, Stray Dog THA GAWD said:

You prefer a huge, empty hole in the middle of the city?

I prefer my city to not get gentrified into oblivion. It looks cool on paper, and probably will be cool for those who live in the suburbs, but this type of stuff is destiny getting manifested all over Atlanta.

[ratesforless]

3 hours ago, Stray Dog THA GAWD said:

You can thank the state legislature for that: MARTA is the largest U.S. transit system with zero state funding, and that's why it's not more robust.  Atlanta, DeKalb, and Fulton are the only ones funding MARTA, besides people that pay to ride it, so ironically you should be thanking Atlanta for what little metro rail we do have.

We can go on for hours talking about our lack of transit options, starting with this...

[Stray Dog THA GAWD]

2 hours ago, The Real Tony G. said:

I prefer my city to not get gentrified into oblivion. It looks cool on paper, and probably will be cool for those who live in the suburbs, but this type of stuff is destiny getting manifested all over Atlanta.

A regional train station built on an existing, empty railyard, and that includes bus service like Greyhound and MegaBus, in the middle of the city is gentrification?  Would you have prefered they didn't make Centennial Olympic Park either and just left all the warehouses there?  That development lead to all the restaurants, museums, and concerts currently in and around the park, which I don't see anyone complaining about.

Gentrification is displacing people that live in a economically depressed area (I know from first-hand experience in East Lake and the surrounding area).  Building on a brownfield lot isn't gentrification, and this development isn't just for people traveling in from suburbia: it's supposed to connect multiple areas and develop an empty lot in a central location.  If people are mad about losing one dang tailgate spot or seeing something finally get built there, it's time to wake the F up and appreciate how much Atlanta is growing.

[The Real Tony G.]

On 8/6/2017 at 7:57 PM, Stray Dog THA GAWD said:

A regional train station built on an existing, empty railyard, and that includes bus service like Greyhound and MegaBus, in the middle of the city is gentrification?  Would you have prefered they didn't make Centennial Olympic Park either and just left all the warehouses there?  That development lead to all the restaurants, museums, and concerts currently in and around the park, which I don't see anyone complaining about.

Gentrification is displacing people that live in a economically depressed area (I know from first-hand experience in East Lake and the surrounding area).  Building on a brownfield lot isn't gentrification, and this development isn't just for people traveling in from suburbia: it's supposed to connect multiple areas and develop an empty lot in a central location.  If people are mad about losing one dang tailgate spot or seeing something finally get built there, it's time to wake the F up and appreciate how much Atlanta is growing.

What do you think is happening to people thanks to the new stadium? 

I used to live at the apartments behind the highrise across the street from the Dome on Northside Drive. The land was bought up, everyone was kicked out, and it currently lies abandoned until some developer bulldozes it all down and builds New condos that the previous residents of the area could only dream to afford. That process is continuing all through the westside along with the rest of Atlanta. 

You don't understand gentrification if you think that all that makes the term applicable is the literal ground something is built upon. You said yourself that 1) this pushes for further developments in the area, and 2) is going to bring people from outside the area into it. That is going to make every square foot in Atlanta even more "prime" real estate than it is already and further the effects across the entire city.

This isn't about tailgating. I never said anything about tailgating. I didn't even know that it was a tailgating site. This is about the people of Atlanta being pushed around and out with little to no regard given about their welfare nor the history of Atlanta. You need to "wake the f up" and understand what's happening to the city.

[Capitalist]

On 8/5/2017 at 4:23 PM, Capitalist said:

#GulchTailgateKiller

 

FYI

 

Norfolk Southern owns that land...

As stated...  key to deal is Norfolk Southern...

http://www.ajc.com/news/local/ajc-exclusive-partners-hawks-seek-buy-key-downtown-atlanta-site/LCVC0yUIxwJ4cQU4uvWpQI/

 

Sounds like it will come to pass

1-2 more years there

 

They will probably try to push us to the grass lot at old Georgia Dome site

[ordr]

Gentrification happens because the market demands it.  You may not like it, but you can't stand in the way of it.

If NS and CSX don't want to sell, the state should look at eminent domain.

The point is this is not about the Falcons or tailgaters losing a tailgating site that they use at most a dozen times a year..  Atlanta needs to improve its transportation infrastructure.  I moved here from a city with great public transportation and it makes a huge difference.  Companies are not going to keep moving to Atlanta if the city does not improve the traffic situation.  Roads are built out as much as possible, what is needed is better and better coordinated public transportation.  I am all in favor of this project.

[RichardCNile]

I'm not against it, but I will say this.... Bureaucrats and congress types (state and federal) love, love, love trains.  The American public on the other hand, tend to prefer cars and planes.

I once considered taking a train someplace, thought it might be interesting, something different, etc.  I compared the price down to New Orleans and up to DC from ATL.  Price was about the same as flying (with some advance booking) and the time was significantly more.  Why bother with the train?  If it were 1/2 the price and the train cars were super comfy with a bar car, kitchen car, etc, etc.. I'd be happy to spend my $$ on it.  But to sit for 6 or 8 hrs for the same prices as flying for 1-2 hrs... not gonna happen.  

Also, the safety that goes into flying an airplane is way way way above that of operating a train.  

I moved my office to Centennial Tower back in 2002 and they told me there were going to start building in the next year on this project.  I think this is more pipe dreams by bureaucrats.