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When I hear we should remove regulations, I don't really hear what they are.  Let's discuss here.  

My first target is food.  If we remove regulations on food, will companies tell us what is in their products?  Will we have a chance at eating better foods without antibiotics?  Would we get recalls?  Help me understand how removing regulations will help the consumer in the end.

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16 hours ago, lostone said:

When I hear we should remove regulations, I don't really hear what they are.  Let's discuss here.  

My first target is food.  If we remove regulations on food, will companies tell us what is in their products?  Will we have a chance at eating better foods without antibiotics?  Would we get recalls?  Help me understand how removing regulations will help the consumer in the end.

As someone who is into freedom, regulations are something I struggle with. History has proven that corps will do some pretty bad sh*t if left to their own devices, and I don't think the market reacts fast enough to take care of it. So it seems like there has to be some. 

And from another perspective, I became a licensed motorcycle with the NHTSA back in 2004. A year or so later, the custom chopper business started to take off. Harley Davidson, then lobbied congress to get strict emissions standards put in place, which would make it virtually impossible for smaller manufacturers to afford the investment required to bring their motorcycles into compliance.  Thus barring entry into the market for small manufacturers like myself. And emissions from motorcycles wasn't an issue, as they put out less than lawn mowers do

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3 minutes ago, shc said:

As someone who is into freedom, regulations are something I struggle with. History has proven that corps will do some pretty bad sh*t if left to their own devices, and I don't think the market reacts fast enough to take care of it. So it seems like there has to be some. 

And from another perspective, I became a licensed motorcycle with the NHTSA back in 2004. A year or so later, the custom chopper business started to take off. Harley Davidson, then lobbied congress to get strict emissions standards put in place, which would make it virtually impossible for smaller manufacturers to afford the investment required to bring their motorcycles into compliance.  Thus barring entry into the market for small manufacturers like myself. And emissions from motorcycles wasn't an issue, as they put out less than lawn mowers do

This I agree and understand.  Stuff like that needs to go.  

I ask around food because of how sacred it is.  If there are no restaurant inspections or inspections of food mills, I don't know if I could trust them to recall food on themselves. Usually federal regulators seem to find issues with illnesses born from food.

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Some regulations are necessary and some are not IMHO but deregulation needs to be done the right way, so it benefits everyone not the company only

Example of deregulation done incorrectly

Lets take cable TV for instance in 1996 cable became deregulated but cable companies keep their territorial monopolies in many places so people eventually were forced to pay crazy prices for cable or do without. The Gov should have broken up the territorial monopoly when they deregulated cable.

Example of deregulation done correctly

Lets take Power companies in Texas in 2002 power was deregulated in Texas, so basically there is one company that is tasked to maintain the power lines and is paid a base Kilowatt /hr fee from each user.  There are dozens of power companies to choose from and base fee is included in the quote they give you. The consumer can choose who to buy power from. The different powers companies are competing with each other for your business, so they offer all kind of incentives for your business some offer a bunch up front cash to sign a 1 or 2 year contract with you, some offer free power nights or weekends, and some offer a low Kilowatt / hr rate around the clock. when your contract is up you simply shop around again and see who has the best offer.

 

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58 minutes ago, Flip Flop said:

I think food labeling is an unnecessary regulation.

So it's fine not to know what you are eating?

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12 hours ago, shc said:

Loud pipes save lives 

Uh huh.  Maybe they should put them at the front of the bike then, instead of the back.  And maybe they should find a way to make them extra loud when cars are turning left across traffic as that's the single most common cause of motorcycle fatalities.  

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2 hours ago, Flip Flop said:

I think food labeling is an unnecessary regulation.

There are hundreds upon hundreds of unnecessary regulations. A food producer being required to inform a consumer of their product's contents is not one of them. 

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55 minutes ago, Gritzblitz 2.0 said:

There are hundreds upon hundreds of unnecessary regulations. A food producer being required to inform a consumer of their product's contents is not one of them. 

I agree with this.  Some people need to know what is in their food for simple reason like dieting or caloric count, but more serious issues might be for medical reasons with food related conditions such as allergies, celiac, diabetes, IBS, and a host of other medical/food related illnesses.  

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15 hours ago, shc said:

Loud pipes save lives 

The little d-bag who was zipping in and out of traffic at a ridiculous rate of speed in the rain the other day had loud pipes, but I doubt it will be inattentive drivers who cause that idiot's demise.

He wasn't on a Harley though.  I'm in general cool with Harleys and loud pipes, but a healthy percentage of those idiots on the crotch rockets are asking for it, IMHO.  I see way too many of them driving like they're on a suicide mission.

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18 minutes ago, JDaveG said:

The little d-bag who was zipping in and out of traffic at a ridiculous rate of speed in the rain the other day had loud pipes, but I doubt it will be inattentive drivers who cause that idiot's demise.

He wasn't on a Harley though.  I'm in general cool with Harleys and loud pipes, but a healthy percentage of those idiots on the crotch rockets are asking for it, IMHO.  I see way too many of them driving like they're on a suicide mission.

My wife calls them organ donors.  They tend to have head injuries that make the rest of their body perfect for spare parts!

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1 minute ago, kicker said:

My wife calls them organ donors.  They tend to have head injuries that make the rest of their body perfect for spare parts!

That's cold blooded.  But I laughed out loud, so +1.

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5 minutes ago, kicker said:

My wife calls them organ donors.  They tend to have head injuries that make the rest of their body perfect for spare parts!

I can verify this. Though the last one that came into the ER recently arrived a few minutes before his left arm, which was on another ambulance. 

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7 hours ago, kicker said:

Uh huh.  Maybe they should put them at the front of the bike then, instead of the back.  And maybe they should find a way to make them extra loud when cars are turning left across traffic as that's the single most common cause of motorcycle fatalities.  

Not sure if you aware of how sound works, but you can hear them without the pipes being in the front

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55 minutes ago, shc said:

Not sure if you aware of how sound works, but you can hear them without the pipes being in the front

Sound is cool as shyt.  When I was a kid I learned it moves 1,100 feet per second.  Which is fast for some things and really slow for other's.  A good example of this takes me back to when I was a kid.  I was hunting with my dad and his brother for rabbits, my uncle was at the opposite end of this brier and brush field, probably a half mile away, I saw him point his shotgun and then saw the smoke come out the barrel but I didn't hear any sound.  As a kid this seemed strange to me, the smoke was instantaneous, but it took a couple of seconds to hear the sound.  Pretty cool observation as a kid.  

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16 minutes ago, shc said:

Not sure if you aware of how sound works, but you can hear them without the pipes being in the front

Bet you could prolly hear em better if they were pointed to the front.  Ya know, since that's where most accidents are...in front.  

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2 minutes ago, lostone said:

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food regulations guys.  FOCUS!!!

Personally, I'm on board with knowing what's in my food.  

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1 hour ago, kicker said:

Bet you could prolly hear em better if they were pointed to the front.  Ya know, since that's where most accidents are...in front.  

A lot are also from people getting over on a motorcycle because they didn't know they were there

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9 hours ago, shc said:

A lot are also from people getting over on a motorcycle because they didn't know they were there

78% of car involved accident are from the front.  

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Regulation is a broad term and it annoys me when people try to give it a bad connotation.  I am very Conservative, especially fiscally, but not supportive of the Republican party.  I truly believe in having the smallest government possible.  Regulation is a core necessity of our government.  Over regulation is what we should want to do away with.  That being said, we should also be able to fix under-regulated things without getting labeled Socialists or the other extreme claims that I can only define by retardation people have with the term. 

I have no problem with food regulations against using certain chemicals inside pesticides that are known to cause cancer, poisoning the food we eat, or anything else that poses a direct health risk to the population.  I do not agree with regulations against things that pose an indirect risk, such as the size of a sugary drink because somebody might become obese.  A poor person should be able to buy a big grab and split it between their entire family, and they should be able to do that even though there's a 600lb person funneling that same big grab actively trying to develop diabetes.  Extreme athletes actually need 14000 calories in a day.  While I think people's hearts are in the right place when they fight for these policies, they are missing the fundamental value of what it means to live in a free country.  I know this is not an FDA policy, but it's a debate topic that is a clear example of why I would be so against that type of regulation.  

People might be victims of their own actions, but they should not be victims of the government under any circumstances.  That is the core value behind it being better to let 10 guilty people go free than to convict 1 innocent person.  Over-regulation is the opposite of that, trying to make sure a minority of people don't wrong themselves, justifying it as a fair sacrifice to burden the majority of others that are not hurting themselves.

There is a LOT of overreach in the FDA.  There are a lot of policies that have been passed without proper supporting evidence.  There are a lot of policies that are over-regulating industry.  Over-regulation is a strategic advantage for big business, because farmers, inventors, and small businesses do not have the attorneys it takes to get through those burdensome processes.  

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When companies are left to their own they will almost always screw over everyone in the name of profit. This goes for customers, the environment, other companies etc.

The idea of getting rid of the EPA, FDA and other key regulatory bodies is a simple ploy to make it a free for all for companies to pretty much kill people or rip people off for profit. 

The conservative concept of letting companies go free and they will always do the right thing is pure BS and has been shown in the real world to be completely false and pretty much the opposite in practice. Companies aren't going to pass savings onto customers if everything was 100% deregulated, they are not going to bring jobs back. They are just going to continue to squeeze every last bit of profit they can perpetually.

The GOP are paid off by companies to allow them to scam and harm people plain and simple. The free market does not react quick enough to properly punish abusive companies and collusion and marketing can make it so average people don't even know about companies being abusive.

I think over regulation should be corrected but honestly over regulation to me is the much lesser of two evils. If given a choice between over regulation and letting companies have a free for all I'll take over regulation.

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