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Trump - Russia Thread

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I'm concerned but I am waiting for proof before I make a big deal about it.... but I will say this. I think it's hilarious now that the shoe is on the other foot. Obama and Hillary were guilty as sin of everything before anything was ever investigated and now the defensive posts get all the conservative likes. The more things change...

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9 hours ago, Spectre said:

The tinfoil hat insults don't hold up when Congress and our intelligence services find it a relevant topic. Grow up. 

Right Graham and McCain wanting to investigate Russia while taking Saudi money. Seems legit.

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1 hour ago, Billy Ocean said:

 

It was something of interest, but no one took it as proof of anything. 

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http://www.cnn.com/2017/03/01/politics/jeff-sessions-russia-reaction/index.html

(CNN)Sen. Lindsey Graham said Wednesday if the FBI determines that President Donald Trump's campaign illegally coordinated with Russia, Attorney General Jeff Sessions should recuse himself from making the decision whether to pursue prosecutions.

Sessions, a Trump appointee, "cannot make this decision," Graham said.

But Graham deflected a question about a Washington Post report that Sessions twice spoke with the Russian ambassador to the United States Sergey Kislyak during the 2016 presidential campaign, saying he needs to know more.

"If there were contacts between the Trump campaign and Russian officials, they may be legitimate; they may be OK. I want to know what happened between the Trump campaign, the Clinton campaign and the Russians," Graham told CNN's Dana Bash at a town hall in Washington with Sen. John McCain.

Sessions met twice, in July on the sidelines of the Republican convention, and in September in his office when Sessions was a member of the Senate armed services committee.

The Justice Department disclosed the meetings and said Sessions didn't mislead senators during his confirmation earlier this year when he said he knew of no contacts between Trump surrogates and Russians. Sessions, then a senator, was an early Trump backer and regular surrogate for him as a candidate.

Sessions' spokeswoman Sarah Isgur Flores said there was nothing "misleading about his answer" to Congress because the Alabama Republican "was asked during the hearing about communications between Russia and the Trump campaign--not about meetings he took as a senator and a member of the Armed Services Committee."

"Last year, the Senator had over 25 conversations with foreign ambassadors as a senior member of the Armed Services Committee, including the British, Korean, Japanese, Polish, Indian, Chinese, Canadian, Australian, German and Russian ambassadors," Isgur Flores said the in the statement.

Both McCain and Graham lambasted Trump over his approach to Russia and the country's President, Vladimir Putin.

"When it comes to Russia, he has a blind spot. The bottom line is that Putin is disrupting democracy everywhere," Graham said.

McCain, who has called for a select committee to investigate Russia's attempts to influence the US election, said the country's efforts require more attention.

"Have no doubt, what the Russians tried to do to our election could have destroyed democracy," he said. "And that's why we've got to pay a **** of a lot more attention to the Russians and the things they're doing in Europe -- and right now, they're trying to determine the outcome of the French election, and they're using cyber."

Kislyak Is considered by US intelligence to be one of Russia's top spies and spy-recruiters in Washington, according to current and former senior US government officials.

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Sessions won't recuse himself from the Russian Investigations . . . .  REALLY?   He needs to be fired just like Flynn and for the same reason.   Session lied about amy conversation with the Russian ambassador during the campaign.  This ambassador is a known spy recruiter to make things worse.  This whole mess will explode sooner or later. Once Trump's tax returns become available the sh!t will hit the fan on a grand scale.

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19 minutes ago, big_dog said:

Sessions won't recuse himself from the Russian Investigations . . . .  REALLY?   He needs to be fired just like Flynn and for the same reason.   Session lied about amy conversation with the Russian ambassador during the campaign.  This ambassador is a known spy recruiter to make things worse.  This whole mess will explode sooner or later. Once Trump's tax returns become available the sh!t will hit the fan on a grand scale.

BOOM

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Posted (edited)

In what sane world are we in where we don't have multiple independent investigations going on right now about Trump and Russia?

I mean come on, this one ain't going away and is alot more damaging then HRC email server and Benghazi ever were. This involves literal Treason, money laundering and election tampering. This literally makes Watergate look like jay walking. The Sessions issue involves a level of perjury about actual National Security issues alot more damaging than Bill Clinton's personal sex issues and irony is Sessions was really out spoken about bill's perjury.

Are the investigation happy GOP going to continue to just blatantly look the other way cause it is one of their own with all these fires around him? How hypocritical can one party be before even the worst defenders just give up?

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On 2/28/2017 at 10:44 AM, Spectre said:

The tinfoil hat insults don't hold up when Congress and our intelligence services find it a relevant topic. Grow up. 

People don't resign or are fired in high end government positions due to tinfoil hat theories. 3 People in the Trump administration have either resigned or been fired due to Russian ties. Sessions will be #4 soon.

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On 2/28/2017 at 11:07 AM, eatcorn said:

It's also quote irritating to hear people who claim that there were 3-5 million illegal votes cast, and that we need an investigation into that, claim that we don't need an investigation into the admin's ties to Russia until we have proof. 

Yea and somehow those illegal votes cast would ALL be for HRC and none of the so called illegal votes would be for Trump? That makes NO sense voter fraud is not on any level that would cast 3-5 million votes and it certainly is not a partisan thing where it would only be false votes for a Democrat. 

What ******* world are these people living in.

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5 hours ago, MAD597 said:

Yea and somehow those illegal votes cast would ALL be for HRC and none of the so called illegal votes would be for Trump? That makes NO sense voter fraud is not on any level that would cast 3-5 million votes and it certainly is not a partisan thing where it would only be false votes for a Democrat. 

What ******* world are these people living in.

If it happened in California, I could see it just because of the sheer amount of votes the state has but without concrete evidence, it's tinfoil hat stuff...

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I used to think I couldn't dislike anyone more than Harry (vicki the goat) Reid, but Chuck Schumer is gaining mighty fast.  

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10 hours ago, MAD597 said:

People don't resign or are fired in high end government positions due to tinfoil hat theories. 3 People in the Trump administration have either resigned or been fired due to Russian ties. Sessions will be #4 soon.

3? 

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Cappy, we now know that Flynn orchestrated with the Russian ambassador regarding the sanctions imposed by Obama about how Russia should respond to those sanctions.  We know that Russia took his advice and didn't retaliate.  And Trump "congratulated" Putin for not responding as Flynn had orchestrated with the Russian ambassador the day and the day after those sanctions were imposed.  Do you still think that's "nothing"?

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I just want to take stock of this Russia-Trump thing, and please add to this list (or correct mistakes).  I'm just trying to get my head wrapped around the "big picture".

Here's what we know:

Russia was behind the hacks, Putin approved of them, and Russia's goal changed over the summer from wanting to just create chaos in the election to wanting to help Trump get elected.

Two top Trump aides personally met with the Russian ambassador, somebody that the intelligence community says is a top spy recruiter for Russia, at the RNC convention during the summer.  Carter Page and J.D. Gordon spoke to the ambassador.  We know that the ambassador talked briefly with Sessions at the convention as well.  

Roger Stone - a friend and advisor to Trump - admitted to having back channel communications with Wikileaks about those hacked emails.  He tweeted about how it would soon be Podesta's "turn in the barrel".  Seven weeks later, Wikileaks released Podesta's hacked emails.

The Russian ambassador also met personally with Sessions in September, when those emails were being released and the intelligence community was starting to acknowledge Russia's involvement with those hacks.

I won't repeat the timeline about Flynn's discussion with that same ambassador regarding Obama's sanctions...but again you have Flynn orchestrating with the ambassador about Russia's response to those sanctions and that Russia followed Flynn's advice.  

There's quite a lot of "there" there.  

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27 minutes ago, Leon Troutsky said:

Cappy, we now know that Flynn orchestrated with the Russian ambassador regarding the sanctions imposed by Obama about how Russia should respond to those sanctions.  We know that Russia took his advice and didn't retaliate.  And Trump "congratulated" Putin for not responding as Flynn had orchestrated with the Russian ambassador the day and the day after those sanctions were imposed.  Do you still think that's "nothing"?

We do?

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4 minutes ago, Worzone said:

Russia conspiracy nuts are the new birthers. 

Again, Congress and our intelligence organizations seem to disagree. 

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Just now, Spectre said:

Again, Congress and our intelligence organizations seem to disagree. 

:munch:congress or...democrats in Congress?  Those two things aren't the same. Birthers  2.0

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5 minutes ago, capologist said:

We do?

Yep, we do.  I posted the article in the other thread.  The transcripts from Flynn's conversation show him urging Russia not to respond to the sanctions and promising that things will improve when Trump takes office.

We also know that J.D. Gordon, a top Trump campaign advisor, met with the Russian ambassador at the RNC convention.  Gordon is the same guy who was in charge of making changes to the RNC platform that were pro-Russia regarding Ukraine.  

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2 minutes ago, big_dog said:

Just plain too many meetings over the last several months with Russia, PERIOD!   This stinks to high heaven.

We know that Trump campaign people had meetings and conversations with Russians going back to July.

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