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18 minutes ago, Sobeit said:

Again Obama's DoJ is Obama. Obama had to know what was going on. You are right it is embarrassing that the left,the media, and the previous administration have tried to sabotage a democratically elected president, and have presented no evidence to the contrary despite a investigation that has been going on for months. This same administration that spied on journalist lied to congress got 100,000s of thousands of people killed in the middle east.

You are right it is a total embarrassment and it goes back to the primaries with the media trying to influence the outcome of this election and have not stopped.

Even after every investigation and intelligence agency says the claims are unsubstantiated and people have been fired in news agencies for making the unsubstantiated claims you continue to clutch onto it for no other reason than that Trump and crew keep trying to weasel out of it through half assed semantics and word games so he doesn't have to admit that he ****** up.

It would be funny if it wasn't so sad and pathetic.

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12 minutes ago, Psychic Gibbon said:

Even after every investigation and intelligence agency says the claims are unsubstantiated and people have been fired in news agencies for making the unsubstantiated claims you continue to clutch onto it for no other reason than that Trump and crew keep trying to weasel out of it through half assed semantics and word games so he doesn't have to admit that he ****** up.

It would be funny if it wasn't so sad and pathetic.

You are talking to the guy who still thinks Obama's birth certificate is fake and that Clinton/Podesta led a pedophile ring out of a DC pizza joint.  You're not talking to somebody who lives in reality.

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4 minutes ago, mdrake34 said:

No, it's not. Stop acting like a used car salesman. Also, there is no evidence Obama's DOJ wire tapped Trump. 

Yes it is. So you agree all those reports of wiretaps dating back to October about the server were all fake news?

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5 minutes ago, Leon Troutsky said:

You are talking to the guy who still thinks Obama's birth certificate is fake and that Clinton/Podesta led a pedophile ring out of a DC pizza joint.  You're not talking to somebody who lives in reality.

Epstein Lolita Express. Clinton's ex girlfriend disappeared after the election!

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6 minutes ago, Sobeit said:

Yes it is. So you agree all those reports of wiretaps dating back to October about the server were all fake news?

Trump's accusation was that his phones were tapped.  None of those news articles refer to his phones being wiretapped.  And Obama could not have ordered such wiretaps at any rate.  Just acknowledge what is obvious to everybody else...Trump lied when he tweeted that accusation.

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1 hour ago, Leon Troutsky said:

Trump's accusation was that his phones were tapped.  None of those news articles refer to his phones being wiretapped.  And Obama could not have ordered such wiretaps at any rate.  Just acknowledge what is obvious to everybody else...Trump lied when he tweeted that accusation.

This is 99% of every sobeit response:

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And another shoe drops...something that was reported earlier but new documents emerged:

KIEV, Ukraine — A Ukrainian lawmaker released new financial documents Tuesday allegedly showing that a former campaign chairman for President Trump laundered payments from the party of a disgraced ex-leader of Ukraine using offshore accounts in Belize and Kyrgyzstan. 

The new documents, if legitimate, stem from business ties between the Trump aide, Paul Manafort, and the party of former Ukrainian president Viktor Yanukovych, who enjoyed Moscow’s backing while he was in power. He has been in hiding in Russia since being overthrown by pro-Western protesters in 2014, and is wanted in Ukraine on corruption charges.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/new-documents-say-trump-aide-hid-payments-from-pro-moscow-ukraine-party/2017/03/21/92ec85f2-0e11-11e7-9d5a-a83e627dc120_story.html?hpid=hp_hp-top-table-main_manafort-545a%3Ahomepage%2Fstory&utm_term=.ea3a06b9e047

 

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4 minutes ago, Leon Troutsky said:

And another shoe drops...something that was reported earlier but new documents emerged:

KIEV, Ukraine — A Ukrainian lawmaker released new financial documents Tuesday allegedly showing that a former campaign chairman for President Trump laundered payments from the party of a disgraced ex-leader of Ukraine using offshore accounts in Belize and Kyrgyzstan. 

The new documents, if legitimate, stem from business ties between the Trump aide, Paul Manafort, and the party of former Ukrainian president Viktor Yanukovych, who enjoyed Moscow’s backing while he was in power. He has been in hiding in Russia since being overthrown by pro-Western protesters in 2014, and is wanted in Ukraine on corruption charges.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/new-documents-say-trump-aide-hid-payments-from-pro-moscow-ukraine-party/2017/03/21/92ec85f2-0e11-11e7-9d5a-a83e627dc120_story.html?hpid=hp_hp-top-table-main_manafort-545a%3Ahomepage%2Fstory&utm_term=.ea3a06b9e047

 

I expect soviet to come in here and defend Yanukovych and others.

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39 minutes ago, Leon Troutsky said:

And another shoe drops...something that was reported earlier but new documents emerged:

KIEV, Ukraine — A Ukrainian lawmaker released new financial documents Tuesday allegedly showing that a former campaign chairman for President Trump laundered payments from the party of a disgraced ex-leader of Ukraine using offshore accounts in Belize and Kyrgyzstan. 

The new documents, if legitimate, stem from business ties between the Trump aide, Paul Manafort, and the party of former Ukrainian president Viktor Yanukovych, who enjoyed Moscow’s backing while he was in power. He has been in hiding in Russia since being overthrown by pro-Western protesters in 2014, and is wanted in Ukraine on corruption charges.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/new-documents-say-trump-aide-hid-payments-from-pro-moscow-ukraine-party/2017/03/21/92ec85f2-0e11-11e7-9d5a-a83e627dc120_story.html?hpid=hp_hp-top-table-main_manafort-545a%3Ahomepage%2Fstory&utm_term=.ea3a06b9e047

 

Here is my problem with these type articles.  It used to be legitimate newspapers/orgs had proof before they printed or said something of this nature.  The same thing was said with the Trump Russian hooker/charade...just sayin'

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Some of these people would defend Stalin himself as long as he called it something else besides communism. (Meanwhile all the media, banks and major manufacturers are still owned by the state)

38 minutes ago, Psychic Gibbon said:

I expect soviet to come in here and defend Yanukovych and others.

 

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Most interesting line of questioning from yesterday from rookie Congress Woman. As more of this is examined, and why did no one ask Comey if he was the leak to get it on the record. She missed a opportunity to hit him hard but I think it was inexperience.

 

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On 3/20/2017 at 4:54 PM, Psychic Gibbon said:

He'll start focusing on prosecuting the leakers and journalists once that makes its rounds in the right-wing media.

Called it.

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1 minute ago, Psychic Gibbon said:

Called it.

I know it is another inconvenient fact but it is the only crime we are aware of at this point, and a serious one at that. It carries up to 10 years in federal prison.

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Just now, Sobeit said:

I know it is another inconvenient fact but it is the only crime we are aware of at this point, and a serious one at that. It carries up to 10 years in federal prison.

Deep Throat was the real criminal, not Nixon. :rolleyes:

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Just now, Sobeit said:

Yeah you make the reference so please tell us the crime Nixon committed.

Bugging offices, attempt to cover up a crime, bribery, contempt of Congress, abuse of power (eg. using the CIA to spy on political opponents), and so on and so forth.

It's not like he resigned because the public outrage was too much for him. He resigned because it was obvious at that point that he was going to be impeached and removed from office.

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6 minutes ago, Psychic Gibbon said:

Bugging offices, attempt to cover up a crime, bribery, contempt of Congress, abuse of power (eg. using the CIA to spy on political opponents), and so on and so forth.

It's not like he resigned because the public outrage was too much for him. He resigned because it was obvious at that point that he was going to be impeached and removed from office.

And then pardoned, which proves he could have been criminally prosecuted for Watergate.

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4 minutes ago, Leon Troutsky said:

And then pardoned, which proves he could have been criminally prosecuted for Watergate.

And lets not forget stuff like the Saturday Night Massacre and attempting to withhold his Oval Office recordings from Congress based on "executive privilege." I'm pretty sure he resigned a couple weeks after SCOTUS ruled that he was full of **** and had to give Congress the recordings.

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