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Statistically Patriots have the number 1 scoring defense but after looking at who they played I'm not overly impressed.

 

 

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Patriots RCB Logan Ryan is on pace to allow 105 catches.
Ryan had a strong 2015, but has been one of the league's least-effective corners through five games. Malcolm Butler has also seen his play slip. At least for now, Ryan doesn't seem in danger of a benching. Tom Brady's return will help the Patriots' defense, allowing it to play with the lead it is used to having. Mon, Oct 10, 2016 02:35:00 PM

 

"If they don't have a story, they'll make one". USA Today

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Top D (Patriots) usually beats top O (Falcons) in Super Bowl

Joe Theismann knows how it feels to bring the NFL's most prolific offense into the Super Bowl and leave with a loss.

The former Washington Redskins quarterback also knows how difficult it can be to deal with a defense designed by Bill Belichick.

So Theismann has a couple of thoughts about what could happen in the Super Bowl on Feb. 5, when Belichick's New England Patriots, who allowed the fewest points during the regular season (15.6 per game), face QB Matt Ryan, wideout Julio Jones and the rest of the Atlanta Falcons, who scored the most points (an average of 33.8).

This is the 51st Super Bowl, and the seventh featuring the No. 1 offense against the No. 1 defense; the "D" is 5-1 in the previous such matchups .

Also, the past seven times a season's top "O'' was in the Super Bowl, it went 2-5, while the past seven times a top "D'' vied for the Lombardi Trophy, it went 5-2.

Why is that?

"On offense, just generally speaking, there are more things that can go wrong than can on the defensive side of the ball," Theismann said in a telephone interview.

He won the Super Bowl in 1983 and lost it the following year after having directed Washington to a then-record 541 points in the regular season.

One of his Redskins' NFC East rivals back then were the New York Giants, where Belichick was the defensive coordinator during the 1985-90 seasons.

"A lot of offenses go through one or two players, and so a defense — and Bill is great at this — will focus on a particular player or a particular concept and that's where they will make sure to stop the opponent," Theismann said.

"You can't really do the same thing on offense and say, 'Who do we want to go after?' It's tough to pick out one person. You're not going to isolate on a particular linebacker or a corner. There is just less susceptibility to that on defense."

In New England's 36-17 victory over Pittsburgh in the AFC title game last weekend, for example, the Patriots made sure to limit what Steelers star receiver Antonio Brown did.

His catches amounted to only 77 yards, with no TDs.

"Bill basically uses common sense: 'If you have one player who's really good, let's see how you play without him.' They weren't going to allow Antonio Brown to make plays. They said, 'Look, we're going to bump him at the line, put somebody over the top, and you're going to have to make plays with the other nine players.' If a defense can limit 20-25 percent of an offense by taking one individual away from it, the pendulum swings to the defensive side," Theismann said.

"In this Super Bowl," he added, "Julio Jones is going to get the bulk of the attention."

Make no mistake: This is a versatile Falcons offense overseen by coordinator Kyle Shanahan, who is expected to be hired to run the San Francisco 49ers after this season ends and whose father Mike was the head coach of two Super Bowl champions with the Denver Broncos.

Ryan spread out his 38 TD passes to a league-record 13 receivers. Jones is the best of the bunch, but Mohamed Sanu, Taylor Gabriel and running backs Devonta Freeman (who ran for more than 1,000 yards and caught 54 passes) and Tevin Coleman (more than 500 yards rushing, more than 400 receiving) need to be accounted for, too.

"There's not one thing that you can point out and say, 'Stop Julio Jones. Stop Sanu. Stop the running game,'" Patriots linebacker Dont'a Hightower said.

Or as Belichick put it: "Every guy that gets the ball can score a touchdown from 80 yards away or more."

The Falcons (13-5) scored at least 30 points in 13 of their 18 games this season, including the playoffs, reaching 40 a half-dozen times. During their current six-game winning streak, they never scored fewer than 33.

"We know that they're the cream of the crop, offensively," Patriots cornerback Logan Ryan said. "And for us, we feel like we're that, defensively."

The Patriots (16-2) allowed more than 25 points only once in their 18 games, a 31-24 loss to Seattle in November. Since then, they've won nine games in a row, never trailing at any moment in their past seven.

"It's the best defense that we've seen in the NFL this year. The numbers show it, and watch the film and you see exactly why their numbers are the way they are," Shanahan said.

"They have very good players all around, players that are interchangeable, that can be pass rushers, that can be linebackers, that can be corners, that can be safeties. And they have an extremely good scheme."

 

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7 minutes ago, WhenFalconsWin said:

If they can stop our offense and win kudos to them...I don't see that happening though.  

I don't see that either. 

After facing back to back mobile QBs I'm excited to see our pass rush against the non mobile Brady. 

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The whole reason the "take away the best player" concept worked against Pitt is because no one else stepped up. Teams have been trying to take away JJ all season to no avail as some one has always stepped up. GB started the game doubling JJ but Sanu was eating so much and their pass rush wasn't getting home that they had to abandon the double team on Julio. 

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20 minutes ago, anm263 said:

Why do they bring up that best O vs best D? This Patriots D isn't nearly as impressive as the SB winning Giants, Seahawks or Broncos. That were dominating defenses which a great Pass rush. This years Patriots D is far from that

It fits the TOP OFFENSE VS TOP DEFENSE narrative they are pushing.  This defense is a paper tiger, especially without Collins and Jones and everyone will see in a week!

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2 minutes ago, shockerfalcon said:

The whole reason the "take away the best player" concept worked against Pitt is because no one else stepped up. Teams have been trying to take away JJ all season to no avail as some one has always stepped up. GB started the game doubling JJ but Sanu was eating so much and their pass rush wasn't getting home that they had to abandon the double team on Julio. 

To be fair, a groin injury took away Pitt's best player in the first quarter...

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37 minutes ago, shockerfalcon said:

The whole reason the "take away the best player" concept worked against Pitt is because no one else stepped up. Teams have been trying to take away JJ all season to no avail as some one has always stepped up. GB started the game doubling JJ but Sanu was eating so much and their pass rush wasn't getting home that they had to abandon the double team on Julio. 

Spot on.....you cant compare the Steeler WR corps 2016 edition versus Falcons.

In all honesty ...the Steelers were  playing with house money after the Dolphins game. Chiefs would have matched better.

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If anyone has the All 22 coaches tape check out the Ravens game.....The Pats had everyone standing so Flacco did not know who was coming and who was dropping.

Because of the running game the Falcons have...... the Pats will have a hard time not declaring who comes or a draw will kill them.

 

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12 minutes ago, jm_falcons said:

Way too many weapons. Julio is not the one you want to go after....its Matt. If you dont pressure him....this offense will burn you bad. I say let them find out the hard way.

Exactly.... BB is no dummy.

He knows he cant shut down Julio... and Sanu... and Gabriel... and Free (receiving)... and Hooper.. and etc etc.

If however he can attack Ryan, he shuts them all down. He also knows he doesn't have to do this on every down.. all he has to do is shut down Ryan on that one critical play that occurs in almost every drive that keeps it alive. Ryan has made a killing completing those passes on those critical downs and you never know who whe will throw the ball to when doing it. One thing you do know though is that the ball will be thrown by Ryan and if you shut that down then it's done.

Don't look for them to try and cover everyone... look for them to try and bring hard pressure on Ryan from areas he's not expecting and least likely to pick up.

Not sayin they can accomplish it a lot, but they only have to do it on a few critical downs.

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2 hours ago, WhenFalconsWin said:

If they can stop our offense and win kudos to them...I don't see that happening though.  

The Pats D is faced with stopping a very effective WCO orchestrated by one of the masters of that attack, who also happens to be a master situational play-caller. And he has the luxury of having the best QB in the league to execute his plays to achieve their maximum effectiveness. In a seamless extension of the OC and the QB, the Falcon offense has the unprecedented benefit of half a dozen weapons who can score from anywhere. Might as well stand on the beach and try holding back the incoming tide.

The Patriots D has only one chance, and that's to put all their pressure, focus and effort on getting to Matt Ryan early and often. I'm pretty sure that's already been tried this year and we all know how that worked out. Our OL will keep Ryan clean, Shanny will keep that D off-balance and our offense will prevail over the alleged Number One D. Brady will probably make a couple of plays vs our D, but our offense is going to chew up that Number One D like a pack of staving wolves in a chicken house.

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55 minutes ago, TheUsualStuff said:

Exactly.... BB is no dummy.

He knows he cant shut down Julio... and Sanu... and Gabriel... and Free (receiving)... and Hooper.. and etc etc.

If however he can attack Ryan, he shuts them all down. He also knows he doesn't have to do this on every down.. all he has to do is shut down Ryan on that one critical play that occurs in almost every drive that keeps it alive. Ryan has made a killing completing those passes on those critical downs and you never know who whe will throw the ball to when doing it. One thing you do know though is that the ball will be thrown by Ryan and if you shut that down then it's done.

Don't look for them to try and cover everyone... look for them to try and bring hard pressure on Ryan from areas he's not expecting and least likely to pick up.

Not sayin they can accomplish it a lot, but they only have to do it on a few critical downs.

That's the thing. Shanahan motion on every play so he can get teams to declare their coverage beforehand 

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1 hour ago, TheUsualStuff said:

Exactly.... BB is no dummy.

He knows he cant shut down Julio... and Sanu... and Gabriel... and Free (receiving)... and Hooper.. and etc etc.

If however he can attack Ryan, he shuts them all down. He also knows he doesn't have to do this on every down.. all he has to do is shut down Ryan on that one critical play that occurs in almost every drive that keeps it alive. Ryan has made a killing completing those passes on those critical downs and you never know who whe will throw the ball to when doing it. One thing you do know though is that the ball will be thrown by Ryan and if you shut that down then it's done.

Don't look for them to try and cover everyone... look for them to try and bring hard pressure on Ryan from areas he's not expecting and least likely to pick up.

Not sayin they can accomplish it a lot, but they only have to do it on a few critical downs.

If he brings that much pressure then our RBs should have a field day against their LBers on quick hitters.  

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31 minutes ago, Gimmeshelter69rs said:

Your defense is a joke

Is Aaron Rodgers a joke? 0 pts scored midway through the 3rd.

Is Seattle and Russel Wilson a joke? (13 pts scored through 3 qtrs). Oh that's right...that's the team that kicked NE's #$% in Foxboro. What a joke they are!

 

 

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4 hours ago, shockerfalcon said:

The whole reason the "take away the best player" concept worked against Pitt is because no one else stepped up. Teams have been trying to take away JJ all season to no avail as some one has always stepped up. GB started the game doubling JJ but Sanu was eating so much and their pass rush wasn't getting home that they had to abandon the double team on Julio. 

And that just opened up JJ on them again, lol. Imagine if he wasn't hurt.

 

What I don't think these pundits realize; is that we actually do better when Julio has quiet games.

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52 minutes ago, Gimmeshelter69rs said:

Your defense is a joke, green bay is trash, your beating them is nothing special.

Lol you lost to san diego, you shoulnt talk

yall got blown out in your own stadium by the Seachickens, and we went in their house and won the game (if the refs understood throwing a WR to the ground is PI) 

 

we also faced some of the top offenses in the league... yall? You went up against Matt Moore, lmao

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37 minutes ago, Gimmeshelter69rs said:

You dont know much about football do ya? Explain how they where blown out? 

You lost to san diego enough said. Thats a low blow

31 points in your house by the Seahawks.

You know that Ben Roethlisberger, Dalton, Flacco and Wilson are the only decent QBs you faced whole season?

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