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PG Mock Offseason, Pre-Divisional Round


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Re-sign/Tender:

Ryan Schraeder, OT [5 year, $31.5 million, $3.553 million cap hit]
Robert Alford, CB [4 year, $38 million, $4 million cap hit]
Patrick DiMarco, FB [2 years, $2.3 million, $1.025 million cap hit]
Courtney Upshaw, DT/DE [1 year, $1.5 million]
Kemal Ishmael, S/LB [1 year, $750,000]
Taylor Gabriel, WR [1st round RFA tender, $2.879 million cap hit]
Philip Wheeler, OLB [Vet minimum]
Ricardo Allen, S [ERFA tender]
Ben Garland, G [ERFA tender]
Levine Toilolo, TE [Vet minimum]

Let walk:

Tyson Jackson, DT/DE [$2.65 million cap savings]
Derrick Shelby, DE [$500,000 cap savings]
Jonathan Babineaux, DT
Chris Chester, G
Jacob Tamme, TE
Aldrick Robinson, WR
Paul Worrilow, ILB
Matt Schaub, QB
Eric Weems, RS/WR
Dashon Goldson, S
Sean Weatherspoon, OLB
LaRoy Reynolds, ILB
Tom Compton, G

Trade:

Desmond Trufant, CB to the New York Jets for a 2nd round and 2018 1st round picks

Free Agents:

Kevin Zeitler, G, Bengals [5 years, $40 million, $3.2 million cap hit first year]

The Bengals reportedly aren’t gearing themselves up to re-sign Zeitler even though he’s coming off a great season so we should pounce and take advantage of it. With this move we will get a huge upgrade at RG which should propel our O-line into a top-3 unit in the league and, maybe more importantly, it will free up the front office to focus almost entirely on defense (specifically the front seven) in the draft.

Case Keenum, QB, Rams [1 year, $3 million]

He’s a backup QB who has shown that he can hold his own if forced to start, just don’t expect miracles. He has experience in similar offenses.

Vernon Davis, TE, Redskins [2 years, $3.6 million]

We need a veteran TE who has been around the block to help groom Hooper and who can contribute while filling that role. Davis is a good fit for this.

Draft:

25-32 range

If the Falcons have this ammo in the draft then I have no doubt that they’ll trade up, but I don't want to do draft trades this early.

1st – Tim Williams, DE/OLB, Alabama

This draft class is ridiculously loaded in the 1st round, especially with edge rushing talent, so it is realistic that someone like Williams will slip to the bottom of the 1st round. Not everyone will need an edge rusher and the teams that do have other players to pick and choose for players that are a bit better. I could also see them trading up to get him.

At any rate, this pick will confuse some since Williams is billed as a 3-4 OLB but remember what Quinn values out of his defenders. Williams has the speed to cover a lot of turf, the agility to rush the passer and make quick movements in coverage, and he has a relentless motor. He also has good instincts to smell out run plays and squeeze the blockers instead of running himself out of the play trying to rush the passer,the power to hold the edge, and gets off blocks well. He can also rush the passer with his hands in the dirt which will be handy when Quinn breaks out the wide-9 formation… And could you imagine him and Beasley screaming off the edges at the QB?

To put it in another way: Imagine Bruce Irvin but better. Much better.

2nd (Jets) – Jaleel Johnson, DT/NT, Iowa

The perfect 1-tech NT for Quinn’s base scheme. Stout against the run, disruptive against the passing game, and sneaky athletic for his size. Basically two picks in one since this will push Jarrett to 3-tech where he is best suited.

2nd – Tanoh Kpassagnon, DE, Villanova

A project 5/6-tech DE but there is no denying his athleticism for his size and his ceiling. If he develops properly then he could be a top notch pocket collapser which is what we need opposite of Beasley.

3rd – Wayne Gallman, RB, Clemson

Freeman is entering his contract year so getting an insurance policy in case we let him walk or trade him is needed. Gallman is basically a Freeman clone so we shouldn’t miss a beat, plus it would be nice to have an all -man backfield.

4th – Erik Magnuson, OT, Michigan

Developmental swing tackle prospect. He can fill in for either Schraeder or Matthews should disaster happen to them.

5th – Lorenzo Jerome, S, Saint Francis

A small school FS prospect. He’s going to need a lot of elbow grease from the coaching staff but he could be a late round gem. Worst case scenario he’s a special teams player.

6th – Jalen Reeves-Maybin, LB, Tennessee

Pick up a LB similar to Jones in the late rounds to back him up. He’s better than a 6th round pick but he suffered a season ending shoulder injury so his stock will be down.

7th – Kermit Whitfield, RS, Florida State

Pick up an electric return specialist to round out this class.

Roster:

QB: Matt Ryan, Case Keenum
RB: Devonta Freeman, Tevin Coleman, Wayne Gallman
FB: Patrick DiMarco
WR: Julio Jones, Mohamed Sanu, Taylor Gabriel, Justin Hardy, Devin Fuller
TE: Justin Hooper, Vernon Davis, Levine Toilolo
LT: Jake Matthews
LG: Andy Levitre, Mike Person
C: Alex Mack, Ben Garland
RG: Kevin Zeitler, Wes Schweitzer
RT: Ryan Schraeder, Erik Magnuson

DE: Adrian Clayborn, Tanoh Kpassagnon
DT: Grady Jarrett, Courtney Upshaw
NT: Jaleel Johnson, Ra’Shede Hageman
LEO: Vic Beasley, Brooks Reed
WOLB/DE: Tim Williams, Philip Wheeler
MLB: Deion Jones, Jalen Reeves-Maybin
SOLB: De’Vondre Campbell
CB: Jalen Collin, Robert Alford, Brian Poole, Deji Olatyoe, CJ Goodwin
FS: Ricardo Allen, Lorenzo Jerome
SS: Keanu Neal, Kemal Ishmael

K: Matt Bryant
P: Matt Bosher
LS: Josh Harris
RS: Kermit Whitfield

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Would rather get that insurance policy for Freeman when it's actually needed, not before and definitely not that high in the draft. To me that's like coaches going for it early as far as points when it's not needed yet, when it doesn't come out the way they planned they end up chasing points all game. What if we do resign Freeman, 3 backs is a good thing, would rather have an extra corner since your trading Trufant.  

Just saying....

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22 minutes ago, datchrisb1 said:

Would rather get that insurance policy for Freeman when it's actually needed, not before and definitely not that high in the draft. To me that's like coaches going for it early as far as points when it's not needed yet, when it doesn't come out the way they planned they end up chasing points all game. What if we do resign Freeman, 3 backs is a good thing, would rather have an extra corner since your trading Trufant.  

Just saying....

1. This class is very, very good for the top 50 or so prospects but after that there is a big drop off. After that point you take the best talent you can regardless of position.

2. I prefer Gallman over the CBs that will likely be available at the bottom of the 3rd.

3. It isn't an insurance policy if you're getting it after the wreck.

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38 minutes ago, jfalconsp said:

Don't really understand cutting Shelby for 500k worth of cap savings when we need bodies and he was flashing before his injury. Also don't think Trufant trade is worth it.  Both of those players make us a better defense.

We have three starting caliber CBs on the roster already who are all much cheaper than Trufant will be, both in terms of salary next season and once he gets his next deal. We are better off trading him now and accumulating draft picks than keeping him. Extra draft picks for the upcoming draft will also give us more ammo for a trade up.

As for Shelby, he was well below average when he was healthy and now he's coming off an Achilles injury. Cutting him isn't so much for the cap savings as it is for the roster spot.

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1 minute ago, Psychic Gibbon said:

1. This class is very, very good for the top 50 or so prospects but after that there is a big drop off. After that point you take the best talent you can regardless of position.

2. I prefer Gallman over the CBs that will likely be available at the bottom of the 3rd.

3. It isn't an insurance policy if you're getting it after the wreck.

He's entering his contract year, wouldn't be after the wreck, the wreck wouldn't come until September. Draft is late April early May. If you don't resign Freeman in the offseason, draft your running back then.  And like I said, that is IF he doesn't resign and you still lack depth at corner. They say you can never have too many corners, never heard anybody say that for running backs.  I think there would be legitimate talent at corner still there tail end of the 3rd. To me it would be ridiculous to think corner back talent stops after the 2nd round. Fabian Moreau, Corn Elder, Domontae Kazee, and Marquez White come to mind off the top of my head. Heck it's early but who's to say Kevin King won't still be there.

And dude, #1 is the case every year, and after 3 years that theory is ALWAYS WRONG.

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13 minutes ago, datchrisb1 said:

He's entering his contract year, wouldn't be after the wreck, the wreck wouldn't come until September. Draft is late April early May. If you don't resign Freeman in the offseason, draft your running back then.  And like I said, that is IF he doesn't resign and you still lack depth at corner. They say you can never have too many corners, never heard anybody say that for running backs.  I think there would be legitimate talent at corner still there tail end of the 3rd. To me it would be ridiculous to think corner back talent stops after the 2nd round. Fabian Moreau, Corn Elder, Domontae Kazee, and Marquez White come to mind off the top of my head. Heck it's early but who's to say Kevin King won't still be there.

And dude, #1 is the case every year, and after 3 years that theory is ALWAYS WRONG.

Olatoye has graded well in coverage when he has been in so we have depth at #4 CB. The only real question is at #5 but that can be filled fairly easily with a cheap veteran or late draft pick.

As for your point on the draft talent: No, it isn't always the case. 2013 was considered a very weak class at the top with interesting projects in the late 1st and 2nd, many of which panned out, but you can see how they were right about the top of the class. 2014 was a top heavy class and, surprise, that turned out to be the case. 2015 was considered a weak class outside of the top 16-20 and, surprise, that turned out to be the case. 2016 was considered a class that lacked studs (sans a few prospects like Ramsay) but had a huge amount of quality players and, surprise, that is turning out to be the case.

The 2017 class is looking absurdly top heavy with something like 20 or so blue chip caliber prospects with an extra 20 1st round type talent but after them there is a huge drop off, and that's not in comparison to them but just because they aren't really up to snuff. At that point you're best off trying to get projects, injury reclamations if you want value, or players that have very specific traits that your system covets.

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43 minutes ago, Psychic Gibbon said:

Olatoye has graded well in coverage when he has been in so we have depth at #4 CB. The only real question is at #5 but that can be filled fairly easily with a cheap veteran or late draft pick.

As for your point on the draft talent: No, it isn't always the case. 2013 was considered a very weak class at the top with interesting projects in the late 1st and 2nd, many of which panned out, but you can see how they were right about the top of the class. 2014 was a top heavy class and, surprise, that turned out to be the case. 2015 was considered a weak class outside of the top 16-20 and, surprise, that turned out to be the case. 2016 was considered a class that lacked studs (sans a few prospects like Ramsay) but had a huge amount of quality players and, surprise, that is turning out to be the case.

The 2017 class is looking absurdly top heavy with something like 20 or so blue chip caliber prospects with an extra 20 1st round type talent but after them there is a huge drop off, and that's not in comparison to them but just because they aren't really up to snuff. At that point you're best off trying to get projects, injury reclamations if you want value, or players that have very specific traits that your system covets.

I guess we will have to agree to disagree regarding the Freeman thing. I think it only becomes a "insurance policy" when he doesn't sign in that offseason, not before. If we do resign him, then what... Olatoye is not what we could have in anybody available in the 3rd round. Would rather have that than a 3rd round running back riding my bench because I DID BRING BACK FREEMAN. A rookie runningback can come in and shine easy. Agree to disagree.

 

As far as your second paragraph. The only thing you do know is what you have in 2013, you can't possibly know anything about this years draft (I mean dude really! There still rookies right now, lol!), still too early for 2015. The 2014 draft was no more top heavy than any other draft. In any case that's all opinion, just saying the only real year you can say anything about is 2013 at this point man. Every year, same phrase its a drop off after the 2nd round... An NFL starting roster isn't even half 1st and 2nd round picks. That has to tell you something about that same STATEMENT made every year. No surprise to the rest of those years unless your Nostradamus.

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56 minutes ago, Psychic Gibbon said:

Olatoye has graded well in coverage when he has been in so we have depth at #4 CB. The only real question is at #5 but that can be filled fairly easily with a cheap veteran or late draft pick.

As for your point on the draft talent: No, it isn't always the case. 2013 was considered a very weak class at the top with interesting projects in the late 1st and 2nd, many of which panned out, but you can see how they were right about the top of the class. 2014 was a top heavy class and, surprise, that turned out to be the case. 2015 was considered a weak class outside of the top 16-20 and, surprise, that turned out to be the case. 2016 was considered a class that lacked studs (sans a few prospects like Ramsay) but had a huge amount of quality players and, surprise, that is turning out to be the case.

The 2017 class is looking absurdly top heavy with something like 20 or so blue chip caliber prospects with an extra 20 1st round type talent but after them there is a huge drop off, and that's not in comparison to them but just because they aren't really up to snuff. At that point you're best off trying to get projects, injury reclamations if you want value, or players that have very specific traits that your system covets.

Don't get me wrong now Wayne Gallman is a good pick, all my point was that if Freeman does come back thats a good pick practically riding the bench. I'm a bird in hand guy, if I have a good player that I drafted, I'm retaining my good players not drafting another one because I plan on not retaining my good players. To me what's the point in building through the draft if you go about it with that type of philosophy. I'm not disagreeing with the Gallman pick as far as him not being a good pick, I just think a corner would have been better there. It's still a good pick, good draft man.

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On 1/13/2017 at 0:03 PM, Psychic Gibbon said:

We have three starting caliber CBs on the roster already who are all much cheaper than Trufant will be, both in terms of salary next season and once he gets his next deal. We are better off trading him now and accumulating draft picks than keeping him. Extra draft picks for the upcoming draft will also give us more ammo for a trade up.

As for Shelby, he was well below average when he was healthy and now he's coming off an Achilles injury. Cutting him isn't so much for the cap savings as it is for the roster spot.

I tend to agree about Trufant. It seems to me that we've done quiet well with out him. Extra draft picks suit me just fine.

On the other hand, I'm not so sure that we shouldn't hang onto Shelby.

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