Dynastic off-season

[Warningx13]

Going into week 17 Atlanta holds the second seed and the NFL's top offense. Not to mention a defense that is starting to find its way and the possibility of bringing home the franchise's first MVP and Super Bowl.

Wouldn't that be something? Certainly outside of even the most optimistic fans predictions entering the season but no one within the organization has complete control over that, where we draft or who will be sitting there when we are on the clock. Free agency is a different story and I strongly urge our decision makers to go big on both sides of the ball with Eric Berry and Alshon Jeffery.

Throw Berry on that defense with all the emerging young talent and you're really doing something but Jeffery? That's putting the Atlanta offense on a whole other level of unstoppable.

Why spend the money though? The offense is already tops in the NFL it couldn't possibly make a big enough difference to justify paying him that much money but I would disagree.

Throughout Matt Ryan's entire career the Achilles heel of the Falcons offense has been its inability to finish things off in the red zone. Julio Jones is the league's best WR sure enough but he has proven he isn't a box them out catch is traffic red zone target. Jeffery on the other hand is exactly that. He would round out the best WR core in NFL history. Draft a bruising third down/goal line RB at some point in the draft and that's the perfect offense and for the third year running Quinn can focus on drafting talent on the defensive side of the ball.

Bring in a pass rush specialist at OLB and a LE to bring more heat in rounds one and two and we could even draft a kicker in the third round to replace Bryant if he retires. Talk the top punter towards the end of the draft too while you're at it.

Wouldn't it just be the exclamation point on the end of one shocker of a season if Ryan wins MVP and brings home the Lombardi if the off-season made this team twice as good moving forward?

[Borat]

No way we sign Jeffery, but wouldn't mind getting Berry here on a reasonable deal. A stud FS in the first round probably make more sense from a salary standpoint, however. 

[kiwifalcon]

Enjoy the ride thats all I'm going to do the rest of the way.

I'm totally enjoying the fact that not many of the experts believe in whats going on in Atlanta.

Even our own fans come up with I'm worried about this I'm worried about that and completely for go whats going on out aat the Branch.

Its like there watching something completely different.

[rbad8717]

Let's try and poach JJ Watt and Antonio Brown while we're at it

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2 minutes ago, Borat said:

No way we sign Jeffery, but wouldn't mind getting Berry here on a reasonable deal. A stud FS in the first round probably make more sense from a salary standpoint, however. 

No sir nothing makes more sense then Epic Berry. I mean he is a home town all pro and looking at it from his point of view his family and doctors are here.

[Borat]

Just now, Warningx13 said:

No sir nothing makes more sense then Epic Berry. I mean he is a home town all pro and looking at it from his point of view his family and doctors are here.

We've got a lot of young guys coming up on contracts. A 1st rounder on a rookie deal + resigning, say, Trufant would probably be better for the team than Berry (and letting Tru walk). 

[Warningx13]

2 minutes ago, rbad8717 said:

Let's try and poach JJ Watt and Antonio Brown while we're at it

They aren't set to become unrestricted free agents smart guy. Berry is a no brainer. Jeffery may be a rich get richer situation but how many points did we leave on the field today? How about in Ryan's career?

Fact is it would set up where all the money is tied up on offense while the defense comes on food stamps with all pieces locked down for a few years. It may sound like a Madden GM situation that's why it's fun to think about because it's very very attainable and would make this team moving forward absolutely ridiculous for a few seasons. Not to mention we open a billion dollar mega stadium next year. It's insane to think how possible all of those things are. It would be completely unprecedented. 

[RandomFan]

If you knew only one thing about the Kansas City Chiefs organization you would know their owner considers Berry the heart and soul of the team and will do whatever it takes to make sure Berry is re-signed by them. I would absolutely love to have him here too, but it's a pipe dream I gave up on long ago because Berry will never be allowed to leave there.

Dontari Poe is the more legitimate target that will probably be available from K.C. due to Berry's upcoming huge contract. But I'm not sure if I would be interested in spending the $14 - $15 million per year it will cost to land him.

Alshon Jeffrey is also not going to happen. We just paid Mo Sanu top 20 WR money to play opposite Julio, who is getting paid top 3 WR money. Another top 10 WR contract ain't happening bro.

We also don't need a bruising 3rd down RB. We already have a hard enough time getting enough touches for the two good RB's we do have.

[Warningx13]

7 minutes ago, Borat said:

We've got a lot of young guys coming up on contracts. A 1st rounder on a rookie deal + resigning, say, Trufant would probably be better for the team than Berry (and letting Tru walk). 

Tru can Sprint out the door. He is at his best when teams attack Alford. When he has to match up with a true number 1 WR it's obvious he isn't an elite talent like the media wants everyone to believe. Mike Evans consistently owns him.

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1 minute ago, RandomFan said:

If you knew only one thing about the Kansas City Chiefs organization you would know their owner considers Berry the heart and soul of the team and will do whatever it takes to make sure Berry is re-signed by them. I would absolutely love to have him here too, but it's a pipe dream I gave up on long ago because Berry will never be allowed to leave there.

Dontari Poe is the more legitimate target that will probably be available from K.C. due to Berry's upcoming huge contract. But I'm not sure if I would be interested in spending the $14 - $15 million per year it will cost to land him.

Alshon Jeffrey is also not going to happen. We just paid Mo Sanu top 20 WR money to play opposite Julio, who is getting paid top 3 WR money. Another top 10 WR contract ain't happening bro.

We also don't need a bruising 3rd down RB. We already have a hard enough time getting enough touches for the two good RB's we do have.

It's not just up to Kansas City. Maybe Berry wants to be closer to his family and doctors. They weren't able to get him under contract last year.

[kiwifalcon]

Just now, Warningx13 said:

Tru can Sprint out the door. He is at his best when teams attack Alford. When he has to match up with a true number 1 WR it's obvious he isn't an elite talent like the media wants everyone to believe. Mike Evans consistently owns him.

Thats not how you go about building a team though.

Draft Develop Pay.

Your not one of these guys whose worried about cap are you.Structure ius the only thing you worry about.

Trufant is hands down the best cover corner we have.I'm glad the others are stepping up but I'd have Trufant over any of the corners on our roster.

[kiwifalcon]

Just now, Warningx13 said:

It's not just up to Kansas City. Maybe Berry wants to be closer to his family and doctors. They weren't able to get him under contract last year.

If Berry wants that let some other team pay him because quiet frankly we dont need him.

If your going spend money spend upfront on pass rush.

[Warningx13]

So let's sort this out. Over pay for Tru because it makes sense cap wise but don't sign Berry to a comparable deal because reasons? I'd bet he would take a home town discount if it got that far but lets not talk about common sense cap management and giving Tru elite shutdown money because he's "the best we got".

You must  have stopped reading before getting to the part where I said draft a pass rusher in the first two rounds at DE and OLB. You're belittling counter argument to spending money in free agency  on those two players was spend the same money on trufant and free agent front seven players.

[kiwifalcon]

7 minutes ago, Warningx13 said:

So let's sort this out. Over pay for Tru because it makes sense cap wise but don't sign Berry to a comparable deal because reasons? I'd bet he would take a home town discount if it got that far but lets not talk about common sense cap management and giving Tru elite shutdown money because he's "the best we got".

You must  have stopped reading before getting to the part where I said draft a pass rusher in the first two rounds at DE and OLB. You're belittling counter argument to spending money in free agency  on those two players was spend the same money on trufant and free agent front seven players.

What your going to over pay for Berry aswell so what are you getting at ?

At least with Trufant we've drafted developed and now most probably going to pay the guy.

Trufant is also younger than Berry and probably be with us for longer and if not we'll do what we do with all our contracts.

Structure them so there team friendly and if it doesnt work out move him on after 2-3 years.

Thats it though I used that as an example if i were to spend money thats where I'd spend it hence why i mentioned pass rush.Ideally i don't want to spend in FA at all unless its resigning our own.Anyone else we sign is just ther to compliment what we already have.

[Warningx13]

10 minutes ago, kiwifalcon said:

What your going to over pay for Berry aswell so what are you getting at ?

At least with Trufant we've drafted developed and now most probably going to draft the guy.

Trufant is also younger than Berry and probably be with us for longer and if not we'll do what we do with all our contracts.

Structure them so there team friendly and if it doesnt work out move him on after 2-3 years.

Trufant and Berry aren't comparable. Berry is an all pro player year in and year out. As well as a top end leader heart and soul type player. Trufant is an above average corner who has displayed zero leadership skills.

You also talk as if Berry is entering his 10th season. He is comfortably in his prime for (cancer permitting) several seasons. I'll go ahead and repeat once again if Berry walks away from Kansas City he WILL take a hometown discount to be with his family and near his doctors.

Quinn didn't draft Trufant btw and the player he developed into isn't worth the money he will get elsewhere. Quinn drafted the guy making plays today.

 

Edit:: Alford has made so many more clutch game winning plays then Tru it's laughable. If Trufant was initiated through fire like he was he wouldn't have done any better.

Edited December 25, 2016 by Warningx13

[kiwifalcon]

6 minutes ago, Warningx13 said:

Trufant and Berry aren't comparable. Berry is an all pro player year in and year out. As well as a top end leader heart and soul type player. Trufant is an above average corner who has displayed zero leadership skills.

You also talk as if Berry is entering his 10th season. He is comfortably in his prime for (cancer permitting) several seasons. I'll go ahead and repeat once again if Berry walks away from Kansas City he WILL take a hometown discount to be with his family and near his doctors.

Quinn didn't draft Trufant btw and the player he developed into isn't worth the money he will get elsewhere. Quinn drafted the guy making plays today.

Lack of Leadership how do you know that.

Pro bowl player who cares.I'd rather be judged by my peers.

Berry will not take a home town discount thats pure speculation on your part if his agent did that Berry should fire his arse.

You don't become a consistent winner by spending in FA.

TD drafted Trufant and the last time I looked we have pretty much resigned all our 1st round picks we have selected as I think he see's them as the foundation pieces for building our team.

Drafting well is the key.Trufant is one of those guys who only backs what I've just said up.

[RandomFan]

34 minutes ago, Warningx13 said:

It's not just up to Kansas City. Maybe Berry wants to be closer to his family and doctors. They weren't able to get him under contract last year.

Franchise tag. So it actually is up to Kansas City. 

And lets be perfectly transparent here. Trufant is arguably the best CB in the NFL; so when you begin your argument from the position that he's overrated, I kind of already think you are off base in your assessments. Trufant has struggled with Mike Evans? OK, and? That's like complaining about Patrick Peterson struggling with Julio. Evans is a huge, great WR. He embarrasses everybody, just like Julio, Antonio Brown, JJ Green, and every other bigtime WR does. And he's pretty much the ONLY player Trufant has had even minor struggles with. 

You are wanting to let walk our best defensive player and the acknowledged leader of our defense (by all the defensive players) in favor of someone that isn't even going to be available in free agency when all is said and done. As I said above, I'd love to have Berry too, but in addition to Trufant, not instead of -- but it's a moot point since Berry isn't getting out of K.C.

8 minutes ago, Warningx13 said:

Trufant and Berry aren't comparable. Berry is an all pro player year in and year out. As well as a top end leader heart and soul type player. Trufant is an above average corner who has displayed zero leadership skills.

 

OK, now I know you're off your rocker. The whole team has acknowledged Trufant as an exceptional leader and is the leader of the defense, but you claim he has displayed zero leadership skills? Yeah....no.

Edited December 25, 2016 by RandomFan

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Just now, kiwifalcon said:

Lack of Leadership how do you know that.

Pro bowl player who cares.I'd rather be judged by my peers.

Berry will not take a home town discount thats pure speculation on your part if his agent did that Berry should fire his arse.

You don't become a consistent winner by spending in FA.

TD drafted Trufant and the last time I looked we have pretty much resigned all our 1st round picks we have selected as I think he see's them as the foundation pieces for building our team.

Drafting well is the key.Trufant is one of those guys who only backs what I've just said up.

You know who was better then Trufant? Brent Grimes and Deangelo Hall. Ask the Patriots about paying players who aren't worth the money just because you drafted them. Ask them how signing Randy Moss in free agency went.

At what point in his career has Trufant done anything to suggest he was more then a roster spot? He doesn't step up in key situations and I can't recall a single time the rest of the defense circled around him when they were on their heels. Meanwhile Alford will on occasion close out the game in over time with a pick six. 

Berry is a generational talent. Health permitting a first ballot hall of famer. Trufant is just a guy. This really isn't even an argument. Every team in the NFL would take Berry over Trufant. I may be making an assumption he would take less to be here but its a really logical assumption.

[Cole World]

47 minutes ago, RandomFan said:

If you knew only one thing about the Kansas City Chiefs organization you would know their owner considers Berry the heart and soul of the team and will do whatever it takes to make sure Berry is re-signed by them. I would absolutely love to have him here too, but it's a pipe dream I gave up on long ago because Berry will never be allowed to leave there.

I keep trying to tell people this. That along with Melvin Ingram who some keep thinking Chargers will let walk.

[Warningx13]

I'm not even going to respond to the best corner in the NFL statement. He has produced zero memorable plays in his career and has made a living off of teams throwing at Alford.

Bench players tend to get acknowledged as leaders fairly regularly as well but I'm talking about making a play when the game is on the line and having the entire defense look to him to save the game. You know like returning a two point conversion int 100 yards to win the game.

[Warningx13]

He isn't capable of slowing down elite receivers and doesn't make plays when covering lesser talent. He just doesn't get beat. That is a solid corner. Not even close to elite. I'm sure he will have a long career as a legitimate starter in the NFL but the observation that he is possibly the best corner in the NFL is the exact reason he will cost to much.

Collins did more to impress me in one start...

[Mid-Nite-Toker]

12 minutes ago, Warningx13 said:

I'm not even going to respond to the best corner in the NFL statement. He has produced zero memorable plays in his career and has made a living off of teams throwing at Alford.

Bench players tend to get acknowledged as leaders fairly regularly as well but I'm talking about making a play when the game is on the line and having the entire defense look to him to save the game. You know like returning a two point conversion int 100 yards to win the game.

Teams throw at Alford, because Tru has been better.  

Good corners are avoided rather then tested frequently. 

IIRC, Revis hasn't had many memorable plays.  Interceptions are not the best stat to judge corners by.

[gambysquared]

14 minutes ago, Warningx13 said:

I'm not even going to respond to the best corner in the NFL statement. He has produced zero memorable plays in his career and has made a living off of teams throwing at Alford.

Bench players tend to get acknowledged as leaders fairly regularly as well but I'm talking about making a play when the game is on the line and having the entire defense look to him to save the game. You know like returning a two point conversion int 100 yards to win the game.

Pass whatever you have around to the rest of the class.

Just completely off base in every statement made in this thread.

 

Grabbing Berry would be awesome, but there is a 0% chance of KC letting him walk.

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13 minutes ago, Mid-Nite-Toker said:

Teams throw at Alford, because Tru has been better.  

Good corners are avoided rather then tested frequently. 

IIRC, Revis hasn't had many memorable plays.  Interceptions are not the best stat to judge corners by.

I'm not basing it off of interceptions I'm basing it off of he never makes a play. Teams tested Alford more because Trufant came from a power conference where he was used to a much higher level of competition then Alford and at the end of the day Alford has won a couple of ball games.

The point in no one is calling Alford the best corner in the NFL and for good reason. His contract will be much more manageable. The general belief inside and out of the organization is that Trufant is something that he is not therefore he is going to get paid a lot more then he is worth.

I'm not saying he is awful but he hasn't really improved. You can't even notice when he is out. Actually everyone started getting really pumped about the young players making plays the second he got hurt. If you have one of the world's best players at any position you can tell when he gets hurt and isn't there but to the contrary Collins went out today and was impressive lol Trufant just kind of fades into the back ground. An elite player isn't something you won't notice being gone.

 

Edit:: and at one time revis would literally shut down the league's best better then Trufant can make toast don't compare the two.

Edited December 25, 2016 by Warningx13

[QuinnTorris]

Berry is not coming here. Alshon for sure is not coming here. Quinn is already shown he's dedicated to build this defense through the draft. 

Id love to have Berry but KC will probably not let him leave. They'll franchise him at the least.