Nino11 Posted December 23, 2016 Share Posted December 23, 2016 Havnt saw the No Huddle in a while, or at least since the last two games. Granted it wasn't needed against either but I remember that helping us get the offense in track and we all know Ryan is at his best operating the no huddle. Only when we stagnate I say get uptempo to get a spark Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stoic Posted December 23, 2016 Share Posted December 23, 2016 I was saving for marriage....I got married......5 years later...still earning interest.... WAKKA-WAKKA-DOOOOOO!!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vel Posted December 23, 2016 Share Posted December 23, 2016 The thing is....we don't stagnate. A lot of people have an illogical fascination with the no huddle. With Kyle's offense, he's calling plays to set plays up later in the game. It's chess. It's not looking for a quick shot in the arm. Even Kyle's failed plays are window dressing for the long game. That's why he doesn't like his QBs audibling. It changes the gameplan and if the playcalls that rely on the defense seeing a certain look haven't been called, you cut the playbook down. That TE sneaking out the backside can't be called if the stretch zone hasn't been called from the same look repeatedly. EVEN if you know it's going to fail. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4dabirds Posted December 23, 2016 Share Posted December 23, 2016 I did see Ryan hurry guys to the line on 2 plays in the last game, and he did it in LA maybe twice then too. I think it depends on the situation and the opposition. I look for the all out no-huddle to be used in Carolina this weekend, because that Panther front 7 is still good, and has caused Ryan trouble in the past, so I think it will be part of the game plan on an early series, to keep them from subbing in players, and to get them gassed if possible. At least I hope so, because Ryan is so good at using it, that it is a thing of beauty. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr.11 Posted December 23, 2016 Share Posted December 23, 2016 5 minutes ago, vel said: The thing is....we don't stagnate. A lot of people have an illogical fascination with the no huddle. With Kyle's offense, he's calling plays to set plays up later in the game. It's chess. It's not looking for a quick shot in the arm. Even Kyle's failed plays are window dressing for the long game. That's why he doesn't like his QBs audibling. It changes the gameplan and if the playcalls that rely on the defense seeing a certain look haven't been called, you cut the playbook down. That TE sneaking out the backside can't be called if the stretch zone hasn't been called from the same look repeatedly. EVEN if you know it's going to fail. I've learned that there's a lot more to calling plays than just seeing what look a defense is in at any given moment during the game, or changing the tempo. I've learned the "chess" component to the game, and changing tempo really doesn't help much if your opponent has you figured out. For that matter, it doesn't help at all because it curtails whatever time your defense has to rest, hurting their ability to keep the game close while the offense figures things out. 3 minutes ago, 4dabirds said: I did see Ryan hurry guys to the line on 2 plays in the last game, and he did it in LA maybe twice then too. I think it depends on the situation and the opposition. I look for the all out no-huddle to be used in Carolina this weekend, because that Panther front 7 is still good, and has caused Ryan trouble in the past, so I think it will be part of the game plan on an early series, to keep them from subbing in players, and to get them gassed if possible. At least I hope so, because Ryan is so good at using it, that it is a thing of beauty. He only uses it when the defense isn't set or when the defense is on its heels (i.e. after a long gain), in which case they'll more than likely run the exact same play that worked before until the defense stops it. It's like in the TNF Tampa game when Ryan threw it to Julio like 3 or 4 straight times running the exact same route. Ideally, I think that's how most coordinators would like to use no-huddle. You don't have to look further than Chip Kelly's offense to realize that a constant no-huddle isn't sustainable--not in the pro game at least. Secondly, Ryan isn't at his best when using no-huddle. He's at his best when he's in rhythm, which IS NOT the result of using no-huddle. Teams use no-huddle AFTER they have established a rhythm. That is when it is most effective. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trubirdfan4life Posted December 23, 2016 Share Posted December 23, 2016 We ran the no huddle last week.....alot Not for full drives, but we obviously caught them in a look that we liked and we lined up without the huddle. I dont know the exact number, but we did it enough Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
QuinnTorris Posted December 23, 2016 Share Posted December 23, 2016 We definitely used it in the last two weeks. Not a lot, but still... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChickenBiscuit Posted December 23, 2016 Share Posted December 23, 2016 3 hours ago, Nino11 said: Havnt saw the No Huddle in a while, or at least since the last two games. Granted it wasn't needed against either but I remember that helping us get the offense in track and we all know Ryan is at his best operating the no huddle. Only when we stagnate I say get uptempo to get a spark Against good defenses in particular, the no huddle isn't always reliable. There's a reason it's only called towards the end of the 1st half and at the end of the first quarter. The faster your offense is scoring, the less rest your defense gets and the more your defense is on the field. More than anything, we want to drive down the field methodically and eat up time on the clock. The goal of any offensive coordinator - and a strategy that even Chip Kelly had to adapt to - is to keep the defense as rested as possible, which artificially deflates the points they can give up. If we keep the ball for say, 38 minutes out of 60, that only gives the opposing team 22 minutes of time their offense is on the field. This means they're getting less and less opportunities to score - and since we have a great punter in Bosher and generally good special teams play - it means that teams will naturally have to rack up more yards in order to score. The no-huddle is good in short bursts, but it's not effective to use all the time. If we run no huddle and go 3-and-out or even if we convert a first down or two then have to punt, we've put our defense at a disadvantage. As long as we win the TOP game and don't turn the ball over, our defense will perform well enough to win every time. And if you look back at each of our losses, we had a costly turnover or two in every single game. We just need to save the no-huddle for the two minute drill. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Great American Posted December 23, 2016 Share Posted December 23, 2016 Hopefully Quintorris Lopez will be 100% if we make the playoffs which I think we will. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Duff_Man Posted December 23, 2016 Share Posted December 23, 2016 They absolutely ran it last week. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pzummo Posted December 23, 2016 Share Posted December 23, 2016 We use the no-huddle when we see a defensive personnel grouping we think we can exploit. It doesn't allow the defense to substitute if they get caught with the wrong personnel on the field. That is the primary advantage of the no huddle. If they have their passrushers on the bench taking a break, we can go straight into hurry up and not let them sub in. The big heavy DL get winded and we are able to run or pass on them after a big play making them run up the field for the next play. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jesus Posted December 23, 2016 Share Posted December 23, 2016 It's not like we need the no huddle. This offense can move and eat clock as well. Just another tool in the box. I think we will some tricks in play calling come playoffs. Not trick plays but lots of different looks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
droopy1592 Posted December 23, 2016 Share Posted December 23, 2016 From the title I thought this was a Sanu Bomb to Julio on a reverse sweep. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ezekiel 25:17 Posted December 23, 2016 Share Posted December 23, 2016 (edited) 8 hours ago, droopy1592 said: From the title I thought this was a Sanu Bomb to Julio on a reverse sweep. And I thought it was something for the Defense or Special teams. Since last time I checked we have the #1 Offense that just scored +40 the last two weeks. Not sure what an O like that could be saving, BUTT if they are(AND it works), this could get scary. Edited December 23, 2016 by Ezekiel 25:17 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PokerSteve Posted December 23, 2016 Share Posted December 23, 2016 16 hours ago, vel said: The thing is....we don't stagnate. A lot of people have an illogical fascination with the no huddle. With Kyle's offense, he's calling plays to set plays up later in the game. It's chess. It's not looking for a quick shot in the arm. Even Kyle's failed plays are window dressing for the long game. That's why he doesn't like his QBs audibling. It changes the gameplan and if the playcalls that rely on the defense seeing a certain look haven't been called, you cut the playbook down. That TE sneaking out the backside can't be called if the stretch zone hasn't been called from the same look repeatedly. EVEN if you know it's going to fail. Sounds like Kyle has some Bobby Fischer in his DNA. Fischer would torment his opponents by making what seemed to be weak moves ~ like sticking his knight out on the edge of the board ~ only to unveil a "gotcha" play 15 or 20 moves later in the game utilizing that misplaced Knight. Looking forward to seeing what Shannie has up his sleeve for the Panthers because this game is going to be just about impossible for the Falcons to win without some smoke and mirrors, a smidge of shock and awe and maybe 'checkmating' Camilla with bad intent a few times. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MilleniumFalcon Posted December 23, 2016 Share Posted December 23, 2016 First half of Seattle game and the Eagles game, I was saying the Falcons should go no huddle (or sugar huddle) but they didn't need it for the most part. The offensive numbers speak for themselves but it's still a great weapon the Falcons can use when need be. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
droopy1592 Posted December 23, 2016 Share Posted December 23, 2016 (edited) 32 minutes ago, Ezekiel 25:17 said: And I thought it was something for the Defense or Special teams. Since last time I checked we have the #1 Offense that just scored +40 the last two weeks. Not sure what an O like that could be saving, BUTT if they are(AND it works), this could get scary. And you call me an a$$ man Edited December 23, 2016 by droopy1592 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lornoth Posted December 23, 2016 Share Posted December 23, 2016 We did run it the last two weeks. Not a lot, but we did. No huddle works but if you do it a lot you turn into Chip Kelly and your defense gets gassed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sonnyjim Posted December 24, 2016 Share Posted December 24, 2016 18 hours ago, vel said: The thing is....we don't stagnate. A lot of people have an illogical fascination with the no huddle. With Kyle's offense, he's calling plays to set plays up later in the game. It's chess. It's not looking for a quick shot in the arm. Even Kyle's failed plays are window dressing for the long game. That's why he doesn't like his QBs audibling. It changes the gameplan and if the playcalls that rely on the defense seeing a certain look haven't been called, you cut the playbook down. That TE sneaking out the backside can't be called if the stretch zone hasn't been called from the same look repeatedly. EVEN if you know it's going to fail. I usually buy what you're selling, but you seem to be describing our 2015 offence more than our current one. The 'I'm not going to let my QB audiblize because I have a master plan' plays were ameliorated this year with good success. Perhaps it's just balance but no-huddle has made a comeback this year. DQ made a point early on that we could run no-huddle under center and still utilize the zone blocking run game. My main objection to the no huddle is when we hurry up in the no huddle. Our D needs all the rest it can get and TOP is important, but if our D is rested and he gets a tired DL rotation then play at whatever pace keeps them on the field. I think we have achieved a balance between Kyle's chess and Matt's shotgun skills. The Peyton Manning style defense predicting seems to also be helped by Alex Mack's no huddle observations. I've warmed to Kyle and taken him off probation. Hopefully he will return and our offence will continue to evolve because this year is a noticeable improvement. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ezekiel 25:17 Posted December 24, 2016 Share Posted December 24, 2016 3 hours ago, droopy1592 said: And you call me an a$$ man I NEVER denied the fact... NEVER WILL! :-D Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blkbigdog35 Posted December 24, 2016 Share Posted December 24, 2016 20 hours ago, vel said: The thing is....we don't stagnate. A lot of people have an illogical fascination with the no huddle. With Kyle's offense, he's calling plays to set plays up later in the game. It's chess. It's not looking for a quick shot in the arm. Even Kyle's failed plays are window dressing for the long game. That's why he doesn't like his QBs audibling. It changes the gameplan and if the playcalls that rely on the defense seeing a certain look haven't been called, you cut the playbook down. That TE sneaking out the backside can't be called if the stretch zone hasn't been called from the same look repeatedly. EVEN if you know it's going to fail. Always refreshing to read your posts man. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PHALCONABERNATHY Posted December 24, 2016 Share Posted December 24, 2016 21 hours ago, Stoic said: I was saving for marriage....I got married......5 years later...still earning interest.... WAKKA-WAKKA-DOOOOOO!!!!! I think you've had too much caffeine today lol. Or meth hahaha. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tim Mazetti Posted December 24, 2016 Share Posted December 24, 2016 4 hours ago, PokerSteve said: Sounds like Kyle has some Bobby Fischer in his DNA. Fischer would torment his opponents by making what seemed to be weak moves ~ like sticking his knight out on the edge of the board ~ only to unveil a "gotcha" play 15 or 20 moves later in the game utilizing that misplaced Knight. Looking forward to seeing what Shannie has up his sleeve for the Panthers because this game is going to be just about impossible for the Falcons to win without some smoke and mirrors, a smidge of shock and awe and maybe 'checkmating' Camilla with bad intent a few times. Well then! Love it. Well stroked. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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